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JMJ001
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anc2006
Con (against)

A Hot Dog is a Sandwich

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Started: 11/13/2019 Category: Funny
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Debating Period
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JMJ001

Pro

A hot dog is a sandwich; it meets the criteria in the definition of a sandwich:

sandwich

NOUN
sandwiches (plural noun)
an item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, Cheese, Or other filling between them, Eaten as a light meal.

Oxford Dictionary
anc2006

Con

A hot dog is technically just with 1 piece of bread, As oppose to 2 of a typical sandwich.

Thus, It made hot-dogs not sandwiches.

Now here is the question: if this is the case, Why does one make it with 2 breads, And doesn't it make it a sandwich?

Nope. Those 2 are basically the extension of the other instead of 2 separate beings. With this definition, You might as well say that things platted in 2 parallel breads counts as a sandwich, When technically they are just extensions of each other.
Debate Round No. 1
JMJ001

Pro

Hold a hot dog sideways. A piece of bread on the top, One on the bottom, Conveniently connected with a hinge. Sub sandwiches are incredibly similar: bread split lengthwise yet not completely. Would a peanut butter and jelly sandwich made on one piece of bread folded in half qualify as a sandwich? Doesn't the limited definition given by the dictionary allow for an expanded meaning?
anc2006

Con

To respond to your argument that connect 2 pieces can also make sandwiches, Take a look at how most people eat them.

For fishburgers and PB-J sandwiches, The bread at the top and the bottom act as the top and the bottom, So are sub sandwiches.

Hotdogs, On the other hand, Have both breads as the bottom to hold the frankfurter and to prevent it from gravitational pull being excessive and making it unedible.

Thus proving, Both breads on a hotdogs serve a purpose as one, As a platter on top of a single bread.
Debate Round No. 2
JMJ001

Pro

I suppose you could argue against its betweenness, But a hot dog meets the definition of a sandwich, "an item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, Cheese, Or other filling between them". The orientation of the bread does not matter as long as the filling is between the bread.

Also, Using a dictionary"s limited definition of a term as evidence that term cannot have an expanded meaning is a logical fallacy.

Appeal to Definition

(also known as: appeal to the dictionary, Victory by definition)

Description: Using a dictionary"s limited definition of a term as evidence that term cannot have another meaning, Expanded meaning, Or even conflicting meaning. This is a fallacy because dictionaries don"t reason; they simply are a reflection of an abbreviated version of the current accepted usage of a term, As determined by argumentation and eventual acceptance.

https://www. Logicallyfallacious. Com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/27/Appeal_to_Definition

(By the way, It was really fun debating with you. Thanks and good luck! )
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
"As to the hot dogs with "2 pieces of bread with a hinge", You're actually contradicting yourself here in two ways. Firstly, You said that a sub sandwich is a sandwich for those very reasons. Also, How is "2 pieces of bread with a hinge" not anything like two pieces of bread? "

1. It needs to act like 2 pieces of bread, In which hot-dogs have bread that act like 1. Essentially the slit is deep enough that it would be rebelled enough to be called "2", But it is really still 1.

Now, A subsandwich can still be considered "2" is because it is marketed as 2 breads. Here, Hotdogs aren't marketed as a sandwich, Nor does it advertise it as with 2 breads. Most sub-sandwich makers make it with 2 breads while hot-dogs? 1.
Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
"Where, Might I inquire, Did this "requirement" come from? It's really only a generalization or even a stereotype. Moreover, Would eating a hot dog horizontally make it a sandwich? Would holding a sub sandwich vertically with the hinge on the bottom make it cease to be one? "

Hotdogs aren't ever eaten horizontally, Unlike a subway sub sandwich. Check out your own friends. How many eat hot-dogs with the bread forming a bottom and top and eat a submarine sandwich the same way most people do as reference of a hot-dog? Probably 1, Not more than 2. The world eat hot-dogs the way that it is conceived not being a sandwich.

There is in fact a sandwich with bottom and top, So are literally basically essentially every of them. Give me an example that a "sandwich", Other than hotdogs, Can be in similar forms without a bottom and top existing. You can't. If you can, Prove me wrong. I started to ask this since last round.
Posted by JMJ001 2 years ago
JMJ001
"All sandwiches have a bottom and a top. It, Tell me what is the bottom and top bread of a hotdog? Might everybody eat it horizontally not vertically? Hamburger, Bottom and top; triangle sandwich, A bottom and top; subway sub sandwich, 1/2 bread bottom and 1/2 top. What are those, Might I inquire, On a hot-dog? "

Where, Might I inquire, Did this "requirement" come from? It's really only a generalization or even a stereotype. Moreover, Would eating a hot dog horizontally make it a sandwich? Would holding a sub sandwich vertically with the hinge on the bottom make it cease to be one?
Posted by JMJ001 2 years ago
JMJ001
"Oh, So as long as the filling is between the bread it counts as a sandwich? " All sandwiches have 2 pieces of bread(or at least a piece of bread that act as 2)holding the fillings together. This is also what makes a subway sub sandwich a sandwich and a meat wrap not a sandwich. A sub sandwich has a hinge that connects the bottom and the top. While a wrap has only 1 piece (if not broken) that holds things inside. "

We agree on the requirements for a sandwich. What we disagree upon is whether or not a hot dog meets these requirements. A hot dog is a sandwich in the way a sub sandwich is. Both:
1. Are made of technically one piece of bread acting as two
2. Have a hinge connecting the top and bottom to more conveniently contain the filling

I don't see how they're different in anything besides the usual filling and they ways in which they are typically held. Those two small differences do not suffice to make a hot dog anything other than a sandwich.

"Hotdogs can be made in a variety of ranges in terms of bread, Ranging from non-existent(this is where the non-bread hotdog came from) to 2 pieces of bread with a hinge, To a roll with a slit that can put a frankfurter in it. Either way, Hotdogs doesn't have anything that act like 2 pieces of bread. It either has 0, Or it has 1. Even if it is the interconnected-2-esque-bread-slices one, It is just an edgy plate to put your sausage in, Serving as the extensions of each other. "

A hot dog without bread is not a sandwich, And neither is a hamburger without bread. This is not what I am referring to.

As to the hot dogs with "2 pieces of bread with a hinge", You're actually contradicting yourself here in two ways. Firstly, You said that a sub sandwich is a sandwich for those very reasons. Also, How is "2 pieces of bread with a hinge" not anything like two pieces of bread?

You're exaggerating in your description of hot dogs with "a roll with a slit that can put a frankfurter in it".

(Continued)
Posted by kathy_debater 2 years ago
kathy_debater
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Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
Oh, So as long as the filling is between the bread it counts as a sandwich? Heh, Hot dogs are as not-as-a-sandwich as a Danish Bread wrap. If the filling is between the bread(which is one piece) why doesn't it qualify as one?

All sandwiches have 2 pieces of bread(or at least a piece of bread that act as 2)holding the fillings together. This is also what makes a subway sub sandwich a sandwich and a meat wrap not a sandwich. A sub sandwich has a hinge that connects the bottom and the top. While a wrap has only 1 piece (if not broken) that holds things inside.

Hotdogs can be made in a variety of ranges in terms of bread, Ranging from non-existent(this is where the non-bread hotdog came from) to 2 pieces of bread with a hinge, To a roll with a slit that can put a frankfurter in it.

Either way, Hotdogs doesn't have anything that act like 2 pieces of bread. It either has 0, Or it has 1. Even if it is the interconnected-2-esque-bread-slices one, It is just an edgy plate to put your sausage in, Serving as the extensions of each other.

All sandwiches have a bottom and a top. It, Tell me what is the bottom and top bread of a hotdog? Might everybody eat it horizontally not vertically? Hamburger, Bottom and top; triangle sandwich, A bottom and top; subway sub sandwich, 1/2 bread bottom and 1/2 top. What are those, Might I inquire, On a hot-dog?

Give me counterexamples, Too, If you can. This is not over.
Posted by JMJ001 2 years ago
JMJ001
Yikes, Some of my words keep getting capitalized for some reason. . . .
Posted by JMJ001 2 years ago
JMJ001
Oh, Sorry about that. This was my first debate (and yesterday was my first day on here). I was pretty sure that the logical fallacy was entirely relevant to the debate, And I was using an explanation of it to reinforce my stance.

As to the degree that the bread sandwiches the hot dog, That's fairly subjective. I'd argue that it does it to the same extent that a sub sandwich's bread does, Only rotated ninety degrees. Of course, You said that a sub sandwich doesn't meet that requirement of a sandwich. . . Haha, That's subjective as well. XD

Where'd the requirement that a sandwich "hold the fillings together" come from? The Oxford Dictionary says only that the filling is between the bread.

Burritos and tacos aren't sandwiches both because they aren't made with bread and they are not even close to being fillings sandwiched between two objects.

One last thing, How does the debate become resolved/winner chosen?
Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
Ah, Because I am too busy doing my homework I have no time to respond, So here is it:

To respond about your elaborate evidence of logical fallacies instead of really if hot dogs are sandwiches, This made my points harder to knock off by you since you wasted 0. 5 rounds of the debate.

Let's just say the hot-dog is the whole thing with bread, Not just the frankfurter.

Nope-----A hot dog does not contain 2 pieces of breads SANDWICHING the sausage. Let alone if it is just a cut of a 1-piece-bun.

So we agree on the requirement of a sandwich:

=2 pieces of bread
=hold the fillings together

It requires JUST 1 to become one(hence the sub-sandwich satisfying just the latter), And the hot-dog satisfy NONE.

Now, A hot dog is MERELY 1 PIECE of bread, Interconnected, Serving as the extensions of each other. Not gonna say they don't even "hold" the sausage, Instead it is just placed there so it won't fall, Like a wrap or taco.

Call a burrito and a taco a sandwich, So is cheese toppings on a pizza. I DARE YOU. It doesn't work that way. They don't because, Well, It holds in the bottom. If a hotdog is essentially a curved bread with a frankfurter placed on top of it, It is no sandwich.

I shall rest my case. Comment "vote con" for me.
Posted by Baggadonuts 2 years ago
Baggadonuts
It says right in the definition: "consisting of two pieces of bread". Hot dog bun is 1 small loaf with a slit. AKA not a sandwich.
Now, If you're gonna go all struggle-psycho and and slice the dog lengthwise and throw it between 2 pieces of white bread, That's a hot dog sandwich.
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