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A place named Dallol in Ethiopia proves that the god of the bible either does not exist or lied

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/10/2020 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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backwardseden

Pro

Recently scientifically studied is a place called Dallol in Ethiopia. This is where no life, Not even microorganisms can exist unless they are blown in from the wind, And they quickly die. So genesis 1:26 and 28 are loads of humungous ignorant B. S. Bile as well as other verses in the bible that its supposed "god" has mentioned and claimed to be true. How does it feel that an actual "god" either does not exist or flat out lied or both? So scratch perfection off the list for this supposed "god". Well, That is if YOU can even prove that it exists.

Dsjpk5 is disqualified from the voting procedures as he tries to pretend he's god and thus change the voting structure of who wins and loses here on DDO.
RobertJoe

Con

I see no links in the claim that "a place named Dallol in Ethiopia proves that the god of the bible either does not exist or lied". The pro side has failed to indicate how the fact that nothing lives in Dallol contradicts the verses mentioned, And even if they did, The pro side has failed to show how that proves the god of the bible lied or does not exist
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

I really hate stupid, Uneducated, Unintelligent, Imbeciles who obviously use heat insulated con-dumbs for their endangered feces love songs better half side of the brain which fits my opponent's lower bod perfectly before it sprouts bean sprouts in their noodle casserole at din din time to thus make a better sculpture before their pecker gets sunburnt under a supernova absolute 0 sun lamp. What a hand grenade weight loss program idiot that cannot put 2 + 2 = 4 together AND READ because it's beyond his bleeding milkweed. He MUST be a so-called christian in which case there is no such thing as a christian.
RobertJoe

Con

Once again, My opponent has failed to give any kind of coherent argument and has resorted to name-calling and ad hominem attacks. I once again give him an opportunity to make a connection between the verses of the Bible that he mentioned and this place in Ethiopia which lacks life. I suspect it has something to do with mankind "subduing" the Earth, But I once again fail to see the connection to a place in Ethiopia that lacks any life. Perhaps my opponent is making some kind of argument that since it is impossible for humans to survive everywhere on Earth naturally, Some kind of contradiction was created, Which I could simply respond to by pointing out that nothing in either passage necessitates humans being able to survive anywhere on Earth.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

"My opponent has failed to give any kind of coherent argument and has resorted to name-calling and ad hominem attacks. " You deserve this when you do not post anything that is intelligent and edumacated that can fix the human brain with oxy-gen. Just because your bionic peg between your wittle wost wosy stem of your uterus caught in your deep widened anal throat cavity express, Well, Wow sir weinersnag, I guess you are far too much of a simpleton to get it. . .
Can't have genesis 1:26 dominion which is another term for domination "over the fish of the sea, And over the fowl of the air, And over the cattle, And over all the earth, And over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. " If nothing can live at Dallol, The only known place on earth where life not only does not exist, But cannot exist, Even two miles deep below the Atlantic ocean, Oh yeah, Where many places have been dug and quadrillions of bacteria have been found within one spoonful. Yep only at Dallol, Nowhere else on earth, Nothing lives. This includes microorganisms and bacteria that blow in from the wind. So man, This would include your hillbilly High Noon razor dull witted minced mutton moron mechanical mind, Cannot have dominion/ domination over any life forms there that even blown in from the cupcake sore poverty sap wind. So YOUR toxic barrier god lied and stated that man does have "dominion/ domination, When in fact this is a completely fraudulent claim. Got it zipper neck? Let's explore this even further since your cabbage batbrain does not understand this simple concept. . . Genesis 1:28 "Be fruitful, And multiply, And replenish the earth, And subdue it:" Cannot replenish ANYTHING as far as life is concerned, Especially to subdue it, If life cannot exist at Dallol. So YOUR cracker jack with a flip book of a stick figure peeing for a toy prize inside, Because that's all your brain can grasp from one moment to the next, Unproven storybook character god of print only in which case you cannot prove even exists, Lied in YOUR bumbling babbling baby brained big black blank hole bible. We're not done yet oh great rubber slinky "and over the fowl of the air, And over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. " Well well well well insects certainly do fly above Dallol and they quickly die as well as do boards, Oh sorry, Birds. (sorry about that deliberate miss-steak. I know shoot me with a brick shipyard). So man does not have "dominion/ domination by any means over ---any--- life that could possibly exist no matter for how short of a time it would be at Dallol. YOUR UNPROVEN STORYBOOK CHARACTER GOD OF PRINT ONLY LIED, A couple of many in YOUR bible. Gosh!
You lose.
I'm so very glad I made your day ultimately better. Please do not post me again unless you have something even remotely intelligent to say. We both know that's gone POOF hasta la bye bye.
You are nowhere near as smort, Sorry, Damn I keep making these deliberate miss-steaks, Sorry, Smart as you think you are.
RobertJoe

Con

I believe my opponent is using the words to "subdue", "have dominion over", And "replenish" in ways that were perhaps not intended by the people who translated this text. I'm sure if you somehow managed to time travel back to the 10th-5th Century BC, And brought this argument to their attention, They would get a good laugh out of it. The text makes it clear that man was supposed to have dominion over the whole Earth plus the animals. Just because nothing lives in that place doesn't mean man doesn't have dominion over it. Plus you're wrong that Dallol is the only place without life, Check out the Atacama Desert in Chile. Man can also certainly "subdue" something that isn't alive, People climb mountains and we say that they conquered them. The idea that mankind couldn't "replenish" Dallol is correct, But the text obviously refers to the general Earth, So it makes sense in context. Of course, If humans could theoretically terraform Mars, Changing Dallol into a habitual place doesn't sound like too much of a stretch, Entirely negating his entire case

I'd also appreciate it if you cut back on insults while you're making your arguments because they seem to have a habit of getting in the way of your logical reasoning.

(Also, Using big text makes you sound either angry or insane which doesn't help your presentation)

I'd also like to pose a hypothetical to you, "If this argument is profound in disproving the Christian God, Why does it never appear in well-reasoned books and papers by atheists? " I've never seen Richard Dawkins use this particular argument against Christianity or any other well-known atheist. Their arguments are normally useful and thought-provoking, An argument about a supposed contradiction in Genesis is neither of those things.

I am happy that you've chosen to discuss a unique argument against Christianity, As debate is always a useful way to understand and connect with the rationale of others. I'm also happy that you've applied your critical thinking skills by looking for your own arguments against religious texts. I hope that this will lead you down an educated and bright future.

As always, I'm interested to see what you have to add to this debate.

Like the French say, "bonne chance"
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
you will 100% not type up a paper and send it into ---any--- scientific community of merit that is not theistic from around the world and you know it because you know you are 100% wrong and you'd be scuttled right out of their building(s) even BEFORE your paper was even read. Take one lucky guess why? The same is true with the court system we rightly have in this country and the passing of its laws. Yep, Take one lucky guess why? These are rightful as well as justly things.
Text. Really?
Your ability to make miserable attempts to lecture me, Someone who knows, And will always know, A good 90% or better more than you do about your religion, Is completely laughable. If you could actually prove that your unproven storybook character god of print only is real, And is believable and would POOF stop all suffering AND would actually talk to every single man, Woman, And child and completely dump text, AND would rightly stand trial from all the genocides, Babies, Children, Pregnant mothers, Men it murdered (namely everybody it murdered/ killed because IT'S GOD it can do ANYTHING), And POOF, Peace for all time FOR EVERYONE, Dump the belief through ridiculous faith ideal as that doesn't work dump its emotions such as jealousy, Anger, Wrath, Vengeance, Rage, Fury, In which case are stated of it in YOUR bible and believes in nothing else, Issue good abiding laws, Rules and regulations and not idiot ones like the 10 commandments which are completely absurd all except for 1 in which case that 1 is not really followed that well. . . And if this supposed god would actually be a role model for man rather than spew out a superior ego god complex of hate, Evil, Jealousy, Anger, Vengeance, Rage, Fury, In which case the bible is all about and nothing else. Worldwide peace MUST be achieved as its never been since your unproven storybook character god's inception. Not anywhere. Not at any time. Not within any culture. Then possibly "belief" might be warranted. Not until then.
Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
@kwaggagagoogoo_la - "You clearly do not know how translation works. " Actually I do. You don't. Regardless, It has nothing to do with your bible, Because if your unproven storybook character god of print only were true, There would be no bible because it would not use print, Namely text, Namely your bumbling babbling bay brained big black hole bible. There's at least 50 reasons for this. But your sniveling tonka toy cabbage batbrain cannot even think of one. Since I can as well as other atheists can, Guess what this makes us? It makes us ---better--- than your unproven storybook character god of print only. We also understand that in no possible way can your unproven storybook character god of print only possibly be true because it would end all suffering. POOF GONE especially among children. Since both of these things have not happened by any means, Until they do, Huess what? YOUR UNPROVEN STORYBOOK CHARACTER god OF PRINT ONLY is exactly that AND DOES NOT EXIST. AND even better it is YOURS and only YOURS as you have an entirely different version. To prove it, Why don't you be honest for a change, Which is something that you are 100% totally incapable of and you know it because you do not have any genuine friends or loved ones because it is they that keep you in ultimate checks and balances so you do not have to rely on your own intuition with every single disterous play that you make such as waking up in the morning and spreading YOUR evil bile of YOUR version of YOUR unproven storybook character god of print only. So go around to 20 different churches within a 20 mile radius and spread your bull and 1 hundred thousand to 1 they will disagree with you. IF YOU ARE HONEST, They will. No misleads. No bible in your hand. No pretending. No fables. Just debating from what you ---believe--- you know in which as you have ---always--- proven isn't one heck-of-a-lot. Care to make it a wager? I 100% know you will not come anywhere close to doing it. Just like
Posted by anc2006 1 year ago
anc2006
TL;DR: God is smart enough to pass the message to all people around the world. Theists can't just use the translation problem as an excuse.
Posted by anc2006 1 year ago
anc2006
"You clearly do not know how translation works. "

Any god that is not stupid should not claim both of the lines below
1) All Mighty-and-powerful, Can do everything
2) Have to leave the translation work for humans
If god is smart enough to act, He would send the message to all the humans on earth. He would not contact one person then let him do whatever the heavens he want.

Theists just make excuses. Excuse for literally everything. If we say "hey why doesn't god use future technology, Or give it to us? " the answer would be "We can't see it or we don't know. " Great, Then why doesn't he let us know what that is and how it is used? " no answer. They just make excuses about that they are right and we are wrong. Why? Because that they are right and we are wrong. They make the objective truth too subjective as if faith can fully replace facts. Either way? Tell me a source vastly away from the bible? Don't do them like that! It scares them away! If one is smart enough to withstand, Then they might as well convert, Because soon they will realize Christianity won't replace atheism and pure faith won't replace proven facts.
Posted by anc2006 1 year ago
anc2006
I will side for Backwardseden.
Posted by kwagga_la 1 year ago
kwagga_la
@backwardsintheback Do some research. Read the preface to the different translations. You will find that the majority uses Nestle-Aland for the NT which is based on Wescott and Hort"s Greek text. The KJV uses the TR for the NT which is different from W&H. Some use dynamic equivalence translation and others literal translation etc. Does the NLT say that Christ was God, Was crucified and resurrected and is our Saviour? Does the KJV say that Christ was God, Was crucified and resurrected and is our Saviour? Does the NIV say that Christ was God, Was crucified and resurrected and is our Saviour? There are differences but the message is generally the same. You also have people making translations who change the text to fit their personal views. There are many examples of this, For instance the Watchtower Society.
Posted by kwagga_la 1 year ago
kwagga_la
@backwardsintheback We know who wrote the books of the Bible. It is told to us by various different writers through the centuries. Read the Church Fathers, It contains references to each write of the NT and the books they wrote. Even the one book nobody today can figure out who wrote it, Is said to be written by Paul " namely Hebrews. You have educated fools who claim to be history experts but ignore historical evidence. It"s the most ridiculous thing ever, "Christians" who do theology but do not believe Christ existed! But on the other hand, If the message of the Bible is the same, Who cares which human authors wrote it? Did you know the Bible states the original manuscript of Jeremiah was destroyed by fire? But it was written again and we have copies of it today. You clearly read stuff and do not understand what you read. The KJV and NLT use different manuscripts. So it"s not just a matter of interpretation. Again, You do not know what you are talking about. Even the NKJV do not use the exact same manuscripts for the OT as the KJV. It is very easy to prove that the manuscripts they use is corrupt and was changed.
Posted by kwagga_la 1 year ago
kwagga_la
@Mr. Tooserioustobebackwards You clearly do not know how translation works. But don"t feel alone, Most atheists I have encountered with similar arguments also do not know how translation work. I will try to make it as simple as possible. When you take a book written in English and compare the number of pages with the same book translated into another language, You will see that some translations will have more pages and some less. Did the story line or message of the book change? No, It did not. It"s so because of the way things are expressed in different languages and the words used in different languages. You are just making a fool of yourself trying to claim things regarding a subject you obviously know nothing about. The basic rule in translation is that the message or meaning of the text must not change. We have writings from the time of the Apostles through the centuries that we can use to see what the message was. The message did not change. Christ was God who came to earth, Was crucified and resurrected, And is the Saviour. Proof me wrong that this message was lost. Not that others might contradict it, But that it was lost.
Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
Lastly because you are so [lasinly stupid and ignorant "So are you saying that you don"t want to be my friend because you discriminate against me based on religion? " No according to YOUR religion, YOU discriminate against others. According to YOUR religion as stated point blank, You are supposed to murder me for believing, Well actually knowing differently from your unproven storybook character god of print only.
See what I mean when YOU cannot READ as well as COMPREHEND? So since this is 100% true, Why should I continue to message you? You do what you want, Whenever and however you want, And like Donald toilet dust Trump, The worst president of all time, It doesn't care at all who it hurts or runs over, Not one god damned little bit. Strange, But yeah, That's something it has in common, One of many things btw, With your unproven god.
Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
BIG HUGE MONUMENTAL DIFFERENCE. This is yet another reason why you have no genuine friends or loved ones. Your ability to comprehend and read into what others say to you SUCKS. It's truly deplorable and horrific.

"You know, Radical out of the box thinking. " In which you and your kind have absolutely none of. None. Make that perfectly clear unto you and your kind. You are glued, By your own definition to a bumbling babbling baby brained big black hole book and you cannot by its own s--ty rules, Not for any reason venture outside of it. You've more than proven it. We as atheists are free individuals. We are not bound by a book and its cover, And certainly not by a meat tenderizer terrorizer unproven god for christ's sake in which that thing is not proven either. Give us something that is provable, And we "might" change our minds even though that's doubtful. We need something that has redeeming value. Thus far, Nobody from the entire existence of the human race has ever been able to prove any god from any religion.

"The funny thing about what you are saying is that even with 1500 or more alleged errors, " Oh that's in supermassive hypocritical contradictions and inconsistencies alone. Your bible is unreadable. Simple google "bible contradictions". It's not hard. But for you it is.

"The Bible makes advance statements thousands of years before science discovered it. " Um duh um doy, Huh what? Duh ummm huh? What? Ummm nope.

"Why do you think I take the time to respond to you? " That's easy. Because you are a super lonely killjoy. And you think that by contacting me and by me posting you gives you the attention that you seek because in reality you have none. Even if it's my negative attention, Negative attention is still better than receiving no attention at all. If you say this is false, You'd be 100% flat out lying. I contact you because I like spitting on absolute s--ts like you who think they are gods gift to the universe who truly require a cleaning.
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Vote Placed by dsjpk5 1 year ago
dsjpk5
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