The Instigator
Chalz
Con (against)
The Contender
namdorf
Pro (for)

Abortion

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Started: 5/4/2019 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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Chalz

Con

Abortion is a human taking away the life of another human. A baby does doesn't magically appear in a woman. If you don't want a baby, Don't mate or use condoms. Why does it have to go so far as to kill a growing human. Also, Besides abortion taking away lives, It also hurts the woman in many ways. And this in no way should be tied to women's rights, Just because she likely authorized the mating processes (fringe cases can be discussed later on in the debate).
namdorf

Pro

I personally disagree with the first point, But I've had enough people take umbrage to know that arguing that is a waste of time.

You're correct that a baby doesn't just magically appear. It has to be born. Birth is a painful, Messy, Dangerous process, That you apparently want to force people to go through with.

Condoms break. Sex is often coerced or forced. Education fails. Birth control is insufficient. Any sort of factor can lead to an unwanted pregnancy, And it's damn sure none of your business.

"Why does it have to go so far as to kill a growing human? " Because that growing human is subject to the mother's consent.

"It also hurts the woman in many ways" needs several citations/

"in no way should be tied to women's rights" Utter bunk. It absolutely is. The right to bodily autonomy is inalienable. I don't get to come and take your kidney willy-nilly, Even and especially when it's your fault I need a new one in the first place.

"Just because she likely authorized the mating processes" You're justifying a fair portion of rapes there. Consent must be constant. If one party retracts their consent partway through, And the other(s) knowingly continue(s), That's a violation of the right to bodily autonomy. Same with pregnancy. If at any point the mother retracts her consent, Forcing her to continue the pregnancy is tantamount to rape.


Addressing the existing comment, A good deal of real reasons women have abortions can be found here:
https://www. Guttmacher. Org/sites/default/files/pdfs/pubs/psrh/full/3711005. Pdf These are all valid reasons.
Please also note; https://www. Guttmacher. Org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states. 89% of abortions occur in the first trimester.
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Posted by jamontoast2 3 years ago
jamontoast2
pro states " I don't get to come and take your kidney willy-nilly, Even and especially when it's your fault I need a new one in the first place. " which is indeed a fallacy and should be dismissed or rephrased.

also, Pro states "Consent must be constant. If one party retracts their consent partway through, And the other(s) knowingly continue(s), That's a violation of the right to bodily autonomy. Same with pregnancy. If at any point the mother retracts her consent, Forcing her to continue the pregnancy is tantamount to rape. "
The consent comes with having sex, Not pregnancy. If female shouldnt consent to the sex beforehand, The baby is just the 'repercussions' of consenting to the sex (excluding rape). Pregnancy should not be compared to having sex in this way at all and is absolutely not tantamount to rape. Terrible claim.
Posted by KilroyWHRE 3 years ago
KilroyWHRE
Also take into account that %99 of the time it is being used as a form of birth control. Only %1 of abortions are from cases of rape, Incest, Or the birth possibly harming the mother. %99 of the time there was complete consent with no medical complications.
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