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backwardseden
Pro (for)
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fauxlaw
Con (against)

Atheism is --ALWAYS-- better than christianity. No exceptions. None

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Started: 2/22/2020 Category: Education
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backwardseden

Pro

It is much better to be an atheist than it is to be a simple toothed supposed popcorn neanderthal christ christian. Why? There are so many reasons. But let's start out with three of the most basic of basics.

1. Nobody in the history of the entire human race has ever proven ---any--- god from ---any--- religion to have ever existed. So why not believe in yourself first? Put yourself first and foremost ahead of something you can't prove even exists. Why not get evidence first and then believe rather than believing without evidence?

2. Do you believe that its perfectly OK for your unproven character storybook god of print only to hate on children and babies for no reason at all and in some cases murder them? Y____? N____? Why? Why not?
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=2zYG_fJLjBg - god hates children
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=5kQTIX7NRE4 - Atheist debates get em while they"re young
LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, HS 13:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21, JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23 (btw with this exercise some of the verses are from your lovely NT so you have no excuses)
There is no justifiable reason that ---anyone--- can think of to murder any child or baby. Yet somehow supposed christians are AGAINST ABORTIONS? ! ? ! ? ! WHAT? ! ? ! And their god MURDERS babies and children? ! ? ! ? ! Yeah, That"s not only contradictory and hypocritical from their s--t of a god"s point of view, But their god also gave one of the 10 commandments of "thou shalt not kill". But wait gosh golly gee gosh darned it all, Their god kills, Well actually murders. Damn right there are BILLIONS of atheists on this planet (those who do not believe in a god or gods) who are not going to MURDER because a jacked up high on mighty uterus explosions wants to get his tickles at a gucci party unproven character storybook god of print only says so.

A child, Age 6 for example who has stage 4 cancer, Does not know what is happening to him/ her. Their cries are not heard, That they are in constant pain unless they are given sedatives/ pain killers, That they are terrified, That they are in an unfamiliar place (a hospital of some kind as an example), And are not home unless it is special circumstance, That they really do not understand what suffering is, But those around them probably do, Etc etc etc.
Oh and btw, YOUR god put children in that position of suffering to begin with which is 100% pure evil and hate. YOUR god absolutely loves to knowingly suffer, Otherwise he would not create their situations for them to suffer.
And btw, I know that you know that you cannot contemplate suffering at all. Your precious jesus went through 12 hours, Tops, Of suffering. Some children go through decades of suffering. Your precious jesus had it easy. Now please do tell me what a child can possibly learn from suffering? Much less an adult? If you"ve answered "nothing", You"ve answered correctly.
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god knowingly creates children to be raped, Beaten and tortured at the hands of their abusers. . . Sometimes for decades. An example is daddy is sticking in his you know what inside of his daughter age 5 while punching her in the face twice per week for 15 years. To knowingly create children to suffer is 100% pure evil and hate at its finest. You can not get more evil than that with all the hate if you wanted to. Please DO NOT bring in the "Free Will" argument either because children DO NOT have the Free Will to escape from these monsters who commit these horrific acts. And god creates these children to suffer as well as these monsters to commit their unspeakable crimes to begin with. God must also love it, Otherwise he would create these horrific events. Please DO NOT invent the excuse that "its not god's fault". Well yeah it is. Otherwise, God is NOT in control of everything, Nor is he all knowing nor is he all powerful. Nor is god omnipotent. Nor does god care enough to not create these horrific acts. And the worst of the absolute worst is god is giving a greater value, A greater meaning to these monsters to commit these horrific acts while these children suffer at the hands of these savages who have no free will to SCREAM. God IS hate and evil. Pure and simple. So invent better excuses please. Sure, Call me that I "hate" when it was just proven that YOUR god hates and nothing but. AND GOD MUST HAVE GIVEN THAT HATE TO ME AND ALL OF MANKIND. And yes, Absolutely 100% that includes YOU by gum! Wow. What a loving god huh? Pathetic, But typical smug christian ideal that doesn't work - ever - excuse on your part.
In other words, God truly hates children which is a truly "duh "situation. The bible proves this time and time again. Also notice how children do not get to say a single sentence in the bible? Not one. Its like having your mouth glued shut for your entire childhood. That's the worst form of child abuse there is - to be neglected and ignored. And the bible does it so well. Sure god and jesus have stated that they love children or whatever, But that's not the same thing. Not by a longshot. How would you like it if someone spoke for you for your entire childhood and you could not say a single word on your behalf? Well, You'd naturally hate it. Also the bible is surely incomplete because there are no voices of children, There are no children talking or singing, Or voices of them playing, When it is most assuredly required. How would you like it if you as an adult, Who worked so hard for your children, As well you should, And they should always be the center of your life, Were to find out that they were left out of your life? Well, Once again you'd naturally hate it. And that's exactly what the bible and god has done in leaving children completely out of "their" most supposed sacred book of history that is supposed to engulf everything that was known within their supposed surroundings up until that special moment in time, And yet it completely ignores and neglects children. Well good job for the men who wrote the bible. Not---toooo---bright.

3. Oh absolutely, The bible is phenomenally inconsistent. Its all over the map. Especially with who did what to whom, Where when and there"s of course no why from its god, There is only just because of its jealousy. But the NT is even more immoral than the OT BY FAR. 1. In order to make it to this mythical heaven, The only way to do this is through the belief in the unproven jesus christ. Everybody else is doomed to be committed to the mythical hell to be tortured and burned forever and ever in eternal flames of fire. It gets worse. . . So Hitler who was a devout christian, And Hong Xiuquan who knew of himself to be the younger brother of christ, They both with their belief in christ will have made it to this mythical heaven. This is also true for all serial killers, Torturers, Rapists, Sodomizers, Pedophiles, Etc etc etc. If they find this mythical christ, They are guaranteed a spot in this mythical heaven. This is a completely immoral bankrupt corrupt law when they, If anybody. Should burn in hell and be tortured to burn eternally forever and ever. But then again, Why should this crapola happen to anybody? If this supposed unproven character storybook god of print only truly exists, It would know ---EXACTLY--- what its dogmeat playthings are going to be doing every single day of every single second throughout time and would thus present peace, Kindness, Care, Love, Harmony etc etc etc. Throughout all of eternity. Nah. That's far too much to ask as this thing as it has never happened for 60 years, Just 50 stinking years since its inception. Not anywhere, Not at any time, And not with any culture. This shows that this supposed god has no power except for the obvious power of its main preference to hate, And have Anger, Wrath, Evil, Vengeance, Rage, Fury, Jealousy etc etc etc and wallows in it as this unproven character storybook god or print only in its bible has freely admitted to all of them. So on the opposite end of the loop, There's the atheist who does not believe in god or christ. Wow. 2. Then we who number in the billions are doomed to go to this mythical hell to forever burn eternally simply for not believing in this mythical christ. If that is not the most immoral thing from ---any--- religion, What is? So this is true love huh? Nope.

All 3 of those reasons are very thankful reasons out of thousands of reasons to be an atheist any day of the year. This isn't hard to figure out. Pour some salt on those dimples. Smile! Have fun. You deserve it.

Next time, If there is a next time, We'll get into A LOT MORE!

dsjpk5 (aka flappy) is disqualified from the voting procedures as he tries to pretend he's god and thus change the voting structure of who wins and loses here on DDO.
fauxlaw

Con

I have three arguments in opposition to the premise that Atheism is ALWAYS better than Christianity.
1. While the given subject of the debate is simple and unbiased, The Instigator"s argument clearly and profanely argues with bias in the first sentence, Apparently indicating that there is more to the aspect of Christianity than to Atheism, Even from the Instigator's perspective. If we are to judge merely on volume of adjectival content, Clearly, The Christian perspective, By the Instigator's own argument, Is superior.
2. Following directly from the first argument herein, The Instigator's second argument is, Again, Verbose in the extreme, While offering not a single argument FOR Atheism. I consider the lack of argument in the Instigator's debate to be telling, And obvious: backwardseden is bereft of a positive argument, Or it would have been made. I'm generous; I will accept something in the second round. I will, However, Contrary to my opponent, Offer a positive argument for Christianity. I will cite as my evidence the fifth chapter of Matthew, In the New Testament of the Holy Bible [KJV], The subject of which is commonly referred to as the Sermon on the Mount. I will cite the first item on the list of attitudes from Matt. 5: 3, Which states "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. " "Poor in spirit, " by my understanding, Refers to those who are "pure in heart, Whose hearts are broken, And whose spirits are contrite"" [Doctrine & Covenants 56: 18] This is an attitude of proper repentance, Which is the recognition of wrong-doing, Of sinning against God and man, And one"s self, And even mere transgressions, Or even discouragement, Sorrow, And pain in body, Mind, And spirit, And for which, By repentance, Appeals to the blessings made manifest by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. I refer lastly to the final commentary, In Matt 5:44, Which states: ""love your enemies, Bless them that curse you, Do good to them that hate you" From first to last in the Sermon, The attitudes described therein encompass and would resolve every single social ill we encounter and suffer today, But we have not had it right in two thousand years, Not because it is flawed advice, But because we have not given it sufficient chance to be fully tried.
3. I will readily acknowledge that the Holy Bible, For all its good intentions and valuable content, Is not a perfect book. I acknowledge that not one word of it is written by God, Or by Jesus Christ. It is written by fallible men, But men inspired by those Entities. I acknowledge that we do not have a single original script from any book it contains, Nor have we had perfect transcription or translation of any single book in the Holy Bible, And that there has been both innocent error, And deliberate corruption, In the transcribing and translating processes. The fact is, Virtually every single example we have of what I would call "Holy Writ" of every religion in existence today, Has the exact same flaws as had and described above for the Holy Bible. Nevertheless, The content has merit, It is good advice, In all the above "Holy Writ" that I have ever read, And it will set the honest and forthright man and woman on a course leading to a happy, Fulfilling, And exemplary life.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

"The Instigator"s argument clearly and profanely argues with bias in the first sentence" Sure am. I"ve read the turgid, Overblown, Bloated, Pompous bumbling babbling belittling baby brained big black hole nullifying bible in which case no true god would be stupid enough, Not ever, Not for any reason, To use text, Namely your bible, As a form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence, The worst form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence possible to a god from any religion.

"Apparently indicating that there is more to the aspect of Christianity than to Atheism, " Well by gum, Another sure! There"s nothing complex about atheism even though it is amazingly misunderstood by pretty near every religious person who believes in a supreme deity/ god that walks the earth, Yeah probably you.

"If we"" Ahh ahh ahhh you naughty little sheepish bore (oh sorry, A deliberate miss-steak on my part, I meant to say boy, Yeah that"s it, Sorry), It"s you, Just you. Continuing "are to judge merely on volume of adjectival content, Clearly, The Christian perspective, By the Instigator's own argument, Is superior. " Well if you take that line of thinking, Then this proves that you have no morals and you are completely immoral. You also believe in pure hate and evil as being 100% good and extremely nice and koochie koo.

"2. Following directly from the first argument herein, The Instigator's second argument is, Again, Verbose in the extreme, " well that"s YOUR religion for yah as it is presented in your looney groomed bible. Not really a shocker is it?
"While offering not a single argument FOR Atheism. " Really? You want to perform THAT mouth to mouth on Donald urine specimen scrotum soda barbie dull Trump, Easily the worst president of all time? Wow.

"I'm generous; I will accept something in the second round. "
Well let"s pick apart your yeast infection resurrection. *yawn* god. Are you this much of a dimwitted dullard noosed sow snot meat sow? I mean come on here, Do you actually bore yourself to sleep during a nuclear war? You cannot be THIS unintelligent and THIS unedumacated to present THIS crap? ! ? ! ? !

* Matt. 5: 3, Which states "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. "
No idiot person on this planet would ---ever--- want to and or wish to spend a quadrillionth of a second in your MYTHICAL heaven with YOUR unproven storybook character god and christ of print only especially with what was proven in RD1. Oh but wait, You didn"t read it. You neatly passed it up and you guessed instead.
And then you laughingly continue with an absolute lost cause "Of sinning against God" There"s no such thing as sinning/ sin, Without a god. AND you nor ---anyone can prove that a god even exists thank god. The thing is, Yeah an A+positive for atheists is we don"t sin. We as atheists don"t carry around this childish notion of sinning on our backs, Blundering if we as atheists are going to go to hell or not by simply breaking one or even a couple of YOUR unproven character storybook god and christ supposed (tee hee) laws, Rules and regulations.

* Oh the atonement of an unproven storybook character jesus christ of print only. Even better. Another A+ for atheists. (You are making this all too easy) Really? The deliberate suffering, Mutilation, Torturing, Of someone. What does this teach someone, Well actually anyone - that suffering and someone"s horrific pain is a "good" thing? And here"s the catcher that you idiot f--ker supposed christians (oh make no miss-steak there is no such thing as a christian and you are rock solid proof of that) don"t get and or understand as you neatly and ---ALWAYS--- discard children" here"s a question that YOU nor anyone can answer. SO DON"T. "What can children possibly learn from suffering? " If you"ve answered "nothing", You"ve answered correctly.

* In Matt 5:44 Really? Love your enemies. Another A+ for enemies. Um no let"s not. Let"s not love Kim Jong-un, Vladimir Putin, Donald concrete parachute Trump, All serial killers, All rapists, All torturers, All sadists, All sodomizers, All pedophiles, Etc etc etc What a load of pure and absolute bile and manure spread that verse + a few more verses in that line that states "love your enemies" are. Are you going to be so remarkably unintelligent and unedumacated that if a murderer were to move 6 feet away from you, Oh you"d feel so crispy and crunchy ESPECIALLY if this murderer were also a pedophile and chopped upped babies parts, , Fingers, Faces, Insides? Especially if you had kids? Oh you"d feel like "love your enemies" - right? Thankfully atheists can think, Reason, Rationalize, Use common sense, Use logic one helluva lot better than supposed christians. It"s why "we" as atheists do not believe in YOUR unproven character storybook god of print only.

3. "I will readily acknowledge that the Holy Bible, For all its good intentions and valuable content, Is not a perfect book. " Then you cannot acknowledge any truthful values from it. Because what you are doing as well as what every other supposed christian MUST do is you take this and that, Retrieve it for yourself as the good parts, To what you want, To whatever suits your wants, Needs and desires, To what suits you best and you trash the rest, Namely the bad parts, Probably the horrific parts that shows your unproven storybook character god of print only murdering babies, Children, And pregnant mothers (abortions) + one helluva lot of other niceties that in no possible way can you reconcile it as your bible is a book of terrors. Is it any blunder at all why christianity (and yes, Another A+ for atheism) has over 33, 480 denominations alone? Yep. There"s no consensus. Atheism is simple. It"s NOT convoluted, Nor is it convulsing like christianity is.

"I acknowledge that not one word of it is written by God, Or by Jesus Christ. It is written by fallible men, " Well see, Now I"ve lost all respect for you, Every single itty bitty bit slice of cheese ounce. This only shows the garbage pile of the screaming rampaging universe how you just do not have the simpleton ability to think, Rationalize, Reason, Use common sense, Use logic on your own. Hey, Your storybook character unproven god of print only doesn"t, So why should you? SHEESH! *POOF* A very BIG DUH few questions for you" "How in ---any--- possible way are what characters say in your bible true? Especially what the lead characters say, Namely your unproven storybook character god and christ of print only since not one word of it is written by God, Or by Jesus Christ. It is written by fallible men? " I also bet that this unproven storybook character god of print only must be extremely satisfied when his verses are altered in different translations and updates - correct? Even though the bible and what YOUR unproven god said in it is supposed to be "perfect"? Really?
Pay attention closely:
*Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. "
*Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, The flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. "
*2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, And is profitable for doctrine, For reproof, For correction, For instruction in righteousness:"
*Psalm 19:7 "The law of the Lord is perfect, Converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, Making wise the simple. "
*Psalm 119:160 "Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. "

In other words, Don"t you even tell me that you pay attention to YOUR bible AND YOUR whatever slinky god. You do whatever YOU want.
Atheism is ---always--- better especially when supposed christians have no idea. None, As to what their "god" is and have to invent excuses for it.
fauxlaw

Con

Just "wow. " Having reported my opponent's foul intent in language and argument to DDO, I will merely mention that having challenged the opponent to provide a positive characteristic FOR atheism, Which I believe is the intent of debate argument, I find the opponent not only unwilling to do so, But actually turns up the heat in the argument against Christianity.

I have even offered argument against religion as a whole myself, In acknowledgement that religion, In general, Has erroneous content in its Holy Writ, Either by innocent errors, Or by deliberate corruption. I have also acknowledged that in no wise does "holy writ" have content written by any recognized deity; it is all the work of men. Inspired men, And women, I claim, But even inspired people, That is, People sensitive to God"s revelation, Are imperfect.

I would honestly appreciate a positive discussion with regard to beneficial features of Atheism, But having no argument from my opponent in that vein, It"s like conversing with sand. Hot sand, At that.

My opponent declares lack of proof. I must presume, Based on lack of argument of any nature of the proof of Atheism, That I can only argue that my opponent feels any effort of proof of his own philosophy unnecessary, If not impossible. I submit that by empiric evidence, By which all earth sciences demand argument, I. E. , Evidence collected by use of human senses [visual, Auditory, Olfactory, Taste, And touch] is declared as "truth. " However, I contend that there is at least a sixth sense known as "faith. " I argue that faith is not synonymous with belief, In which any thought is possible to acknowledge as true. For example, Referring to the James Cameron movie, "Avatar, " [20th Century Fox, 2009] there is presented a race of beings called "Na"vi, " inhabiting the moon, Pandore, Of a gas giant planet in the Alpha Centauri system, Which are blue-skinned, Tailed, Very tall and graceful humanoid creatures with an ability of direct link to other creatures, And the environment of their world. Belief in such beings is entirely possible, Because there are no demands on that belief. No proof is required, And no consequence should be exacted either for the belief, Nor its denial.
By contrast, Faith, In my religious experience, Demands action on my part to exact proof that is not available by the five traditional senses, Although the "sensation" of faith, Has definitive similarities to at least one of those five senses: touch. Touch, In the traditional sense, Is an exterior sensation, Anywhere on the outside surface, And into the several orifices of the human body. The "touch" of faith, However, Is entirely internal, As if a sudden core of the body "illuminates, " and that touch expands from the heart to encompass the entire body. There is one singular rule of faith: it must be directed to that which is already true, Even when that truth is not yet established by the empiric method. I contend this "touch of faith" is the work of the Holy Ghost, That immortal entity of the Christian ethic that is of spirit matter only, Whereas, I contend, God the Father, And His Son, Jesus Christ, Are physical immortal beings. In order to properly express faith in anything, One must follow a specific set of actions described as, First, Having an honest desire [without preconceived doubts] to know a thing, Followed by study, Reflection, Further study, Coupled with sincere prayer to God the Father, In the name of Christ, With a sincere heart, And real intent, Having faith in Christ, The Holy Ghost will manifest the truth, And by such pursuit, The truth of all things may be revealed to the seeker of truth. The response by that internal "touch" is that manifestation. I have even witnessed that "touch" affecting others in my presence, To the point of tears, All describing having the same sensation as mine. A shared experience. Doubters can, And do, Doubt, But they have never had it, And refuse to engage the trial, Calling it, Humanely, A myth. Unfortunately, My opponent chooses more vulgar language, As is one"s right, But not one"s decency.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

Oh we golly, Gosh-darned gee, Gosh golly, Then maybe we should report your bible for all of its perversities?

I'm gonna be honest here and I rarely do this, Like if ever, But I toned this argument down, Way way down after it was once compiled. Of course I HAD to keep a couple of them in.

"But actually turns up the heat in the argument against Christianity. "
Just because I know what I'm talking about, And you don't, That's not my problem, That's entirely yours. I've been doing this for 45+ years. I keep myself informed. I do my research. I do not believe in the inconsequential deliberate suffering of children and their horrific pain. You do. This is ---exactly--- what numerous verses in YOUR bible specifically state and what YOUR unproven storybook character god of print only does and murders them. But that's perfectly OK with you - right?

"I have even offered argument against religion as a whole myself, "
Um no you haven't. Try harder. Invent better excuses please rather than a dreadful teary-eyed fallout display.
"In That is, People sensitive to God"s revelation, Are imperfect. "
That's STILL drum roll please = tah dah now what is it called for the half mute who doesn't know any better dog breeds at the breakfats tables? Why by gum ITS RELIGION! Anytime you mention a "god" unless it's a sneeze, Its religion. You are so caught up with your religion that it's like meth and heroin to you, That special fix. You are totally addicted to it and under no circumstance can you do without it AND telling others about it AND assuming that others know about at least in some sense that what you believe is true.

"I would honestly appreciate a positive discussion with regard to beneficial features of Atheism, "
S-h-o-r-e. Someone spelled the word "sure" like that on their final exam in COLLEGE = instant F. Like I said, I really really really toned this argument down.

"Based on lack of argument of any nature of the proof of Atheism, "
My opponent doesn't even have the foggiest clue and or notion, As the matter of fact it's at absolute 0 that he does not even have the foggiest clue as to what atheism is. Very well, Let's clue him in since he's dying to know. . .

Oh and btw, Among these reasons and within the videos listed, There's hundreds, If not thousands of reasons given as to why atheism is not a religion and or is better than christianity. Have fun.
* "The only way you can be a bad atheist is to believe in god. " Matt Dillahunty
* "You don't get to put your unreason upon the same shelf with my reason. " Bill Maher
* "Atheism is a response to a single claim, That some god exists. We don"t believe that"s true so we"re atheists. And that"s all it means. " Jen peeples

Atheism: 1. The doctrine or belief that there is no God. 2. Disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=7o5h0DdcyTA&t=264s - Reasons for accepting atheism B. O. P.
"Religious claims fail to meet their B. O. P. " Matt Dillahunty
"Its not that we accept atheism because you"re accepting a non belief. Or let me rephrase it. It the rejection of a belief. It means the same thing I suppose. You"re suggesting that we believe in something never indicated until indicated I can"t believe it. I mean you can make up any number of things that can come to your imagination, But when you posit them as true it is incumbent upon you to come up with a reason why we should believe that it is true. " Aron Ra
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=WbxqvugoJuw - Proof that atheism is accurate and correct
Atheism doesn"t have the B. O. P. It is the rejection of claims that have not met their B. O. P.
Atheism is the lack of belief in something.
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=E3rGev6OZ3w&t=130s - Penn Jillette: Reading the Bible (Or the Koran, Or the Torah) Will Make You an Atheist
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=lMLzThidlZM The Burden of Proof is on Christians or Atheist? ! - The Atheist Experience #776
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=_25w9CE73ak - Bill Maher - Atheism IS NOT a Religion
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=qHsFA7cp7M0&t=178s - Atheism a religion?
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=cUh91EP8ClE - The case for Atheism (Richard Carrier)
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=lDpEeHD54Mo&t=1397s - The Gospel According to Carrier
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=mLdjoEWOnec - A believers guide to Atheism in 9 minutes
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=wtO1e9breLs - Is Atheism a Dogmatic Religion?
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=TqhRlpjp4Dw - Atheist VS christian Jaclyn Glenn

Faith you REALLY want to get into faith? OK. Sure. Let's. . .
Again, Within the reasons and videos given there's probably a good hundred or so reasons why atheism is better than christianity. So you can scratch faith off of your list.
"Why would you believe anything on faith? Faith isn"t a pathway to truth. Every religion has some sort of faith. If faith is your pathway you can"t distinguish between christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, Any of these others. How is it that you use ---reason--- in every of the other endeavor in your life and then when it comes to the ultimate truth, The most important truth your"re saying that faith is required and how is that supposed to reflect on a god? What kind of a god requires faith instead of evidence? " Matt Dillahunty

"Faith is the reason people give when they don"t have evidence. " Matt Dillahunty

"Faith can be very very dangerous, And deliberately to implant it into the vulnerable mind of an innocent child is a grievous wrong. " Richard Dawkins

"Faith is the great cop-out, The great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is the belief in spite of, Even perhaps because of, The lack of evidence. " Richard Dawkins

"Its called faith because its not knowledge. " Christopher Hitchens

https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=XcB_g_ElIdQ&t=339s - Another Appeal To Faith - The Atheist Experience
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=72l6IeEFhPE&t=2996s - Faith is not an Understandable Way to Truth
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=oSXLMxMYve8 - "We all have faith. . . "
"In order to make a case for something that is the the result of intelligent design, You would need to demonstrate a designer that has intent towards a goal and provide evidence for that. Can you do that? " Matt Dillahunty
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=8w5ccgEYJns - Resurrection, Faith, Personal experience as evidence | Chris - ID 7/7 Seth Andrews
"If we genuinely know something, There"s no need to take it on faith. And if you"re going to accept it on faith, Then you"re going to have to play in the arena where every other religion, Every other belief system, Every other truth claim, Playing the faith card gets equal treatment otherwise you"re being a hypocrite about faith. I think faith is a TERRIBLE way to determine what is true or not true. I don"t want to just believe. Let"s go out and know, Or try to know. And if we can"t find the answer instead of making one up or taking it on faith we say that we are simply honest with others and simply say it "I don"t know". I hope to one day know and make that JOURNEY about an evidenced based exploration of facts and a journey towards knowledge with no faith at all in play. " Seth Andrews

Do you really want to get into movies, In which case I do know one helluva lot more about them than you ever will, Avatar, Really, You want to bring THAT film up? Do you even know what it's based off of?

OK a couple of questions. . . Where'd you come up with this information on what you believe? And how do you know a "god/ christ" is involved? Hard to believe it's the same one of the bible that people read including myself and billions of others. I want, As well as hundreds of millions of others want some tangible evidence of this taking place. Why you and only you and not some suffering 4 year old girl who's parents beat the s--t out of her daily and starve her to death in which case never happens as your unproven character storybook god of print only according to his text truly hates children? Why would prayer/ faith at all be required? If it's a genuine god/ christ and it wants to spread it's message as best possible, It would simply show up. It would talk---to---people. Every single man, Woman and child. This is what you do not get at all as to why no god would not ever, Not for any reason use text, The worst form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence possible TO A GOD. It would avoid all the trappings and failings that text has. Well that is of course unless a god, Your unproven storybook character god of print only makes mistakes? So if you believe your unproven storybook character god of print only makes mistakes, Then it cannot be called a "god", It is obviously imperfect and there is no reason why it should be believed in, And we're good. No harm. No foul.
fauxlaw

Con

For three rounds, Now, I have patiently waited for an argument FOR atheism, Yet I am presented with a continuous stream of only argument AGAINST Christianity. I get it. You oppose Christianity. Your prerogative. Entirely. However, You are the instigator of the debate, And you first round argument is that "Atheism is "ALWAYS" better than christianity. No exceptions. None. " [sic]

The rules of debate, Including those established by DDO, Are that there be a proponent FOR the offered debate question, And a contender against the proposed debate question. I have challenged you to argue the reasons WHY Atheism is better, Always, Than Christianity, And yet, In three rounds, You have charged only that I do not ""have the foggiest clue as to what atheism is" but that is not the question, Is it? You propose Atheism is better; show me. So far, All you have shown is that you have an boundless capacity to criticize my argument, With none of your own, And to criticize me. I am not a subject of the debate. Moreover, The argument of personal attack is the admission that there is no further argument available on the subject of the debate.

No, That's not quite right, Either. The subject is that Atheism is better. Show me "better;" not definitions.

To prod, I"ll offer your argument FOR Atheism, Using as format the Cyrano de Bergerac rebuttal to the charge that he, Cyrano, Had a large nose. I substitute "nose" with "Atheism:"

You might have argued a hundred things by argument for Atheism
Mysterious: It"s a blur of nothing.
Combative: It doesn"t need burden of proof.
Challenging: It's whatever Christianity is not.
Religious: It's not religious.
Gaming: It's a bet God does not exist.
Theatrical: It's a soulless soliloquy.
Political: It's a platform without a plank.
Cynical: It's your worst nightmare.
Vague: Opponents do not have the foggiest clue.
Philosophical: To not believe, Or not to believe
Tyrannical: Goddammit, God does not exist.
Romantic: I'll give you a rose if you deny God's existence.
Congressional: Law, Or no law, You"re not respected.
Movie epic: "The Unbearable Lightness of being"

Now, All you have to do is explain why all these arguments are better than not having to do with northing, Not needing a burden of proof, Not being anything Christianity is not, Not being religious, Not betting on anything, Not being more than one actor on a stage, Not having a solid platform [see no B. O. P], Not having nightmares, Not being clueless, Not having a Mobius-loop philosophy, Not cursing by what is not believed, Not expecting reciprocity, Not treating the argument as a cafeteria, And not having substance.
Debate Round No. 3
backwardseden

Pro

"For three rounds, Now, I have patiently waited for an argument FOR atheism. . . "
My opponent clearly has the abstruse and destructive ability in his neanderthal yodeling WWII spin-itch moldy machine-spun hung out to dry cotton wool steel spike brain to not be able to READ and COMPREHEND and or Tinseltown vidie some vidies in which case it clearly is not able to do because of the mammoth short circuit blood clot that has cauterized his knee infected lice ridden you know where areas to remain stiff and secure to get in that specific dump taking positioning to be spoon fed information in which case is the supposed christian (as stated before there is no such thing as a christian) thing to do, Forgetfulness included all padded on the drapes, Ah well nevermind. My opponent is not worth it. It only listens to itself and no one else.
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Debate Round No. 4
9 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 9 records.
Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
People can and do no matter who they are, Always makes themselves better as individuals UNLESS they intend to do harm to others and or to the planet and that harm is exacted upon.
Posted by Turk082 1 year ago
Turk082
Atheism is better than Christianity in the sense that they are ore rational but Christians make (sometimes) better people.
Posted by fauxlaw 1 year ago
fauxlaw
Adjectives define the man. Verbose in the superlative.
Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
Still CAN'T READ can yah sport? That supposed christianity swastika long song virgin brew beef stew must be hard hitting for that painful rectal itch flower power hour garden that goes bump in the sponge boob night. Does it hurt where Ren and Stimpy cartoons forgot to flirt? I'm sorry. What can your jack in the box sox do to make it all better?
Posted by fauxlaw 1 year ago
fauxlaw
Tell me what, Exactly, Donald Trump has to do with the subject of this debate. One track mind, On any track but the one at hand?
Posted by fauxlaw 1 year ago
fauxlaw
Win/loss, My friend, Is neither your decision, Nor mine. Appears your win/loss record is not exactly stellar. Maybe because your use of adjectives is only slightly over-zealous.
Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
@fauxlaw - Golly! Lost squirted tomato as his uterus, You must have tried a good 7 times or so to get this debate in which you've clearly lost (too bad) because everything has been proven BY FAR as to why atheism is better than christianity because it will ring in your tire iron lung liquid repairman brain for years to come no matter who votes for you even though it will only be two, Maybe three, Tops, I've never seen more than three vote here, So three really doesn't count out of hundreds. And you still don't get why, Just why oh why you cannot post your final noosed sow snot meat dimwitted dullard argument of rich and extremely dishonest white and upper-class display who only thinks of himself. Oh yeah. I do. I ain't gonna tell you a rigor mortis honey moon like you though. You don't deserve any courtesies. Regardless oh breakfast of champions chances are you'll only get one, Just one who'll vote no matter what for my conduct. And conduct really isn't a losing vote anyway. Bless him. He's such a playful joystick barbiturate to your huggable brick pillow. After all your fav candidate Donald cow chirp meow at the moon Trump, Easily the worst president of all time, Every time it opens it's maw, It's conduct is far far far worse than anything I do here on DDO. It's not even a contest.
Posted by Leaning 1 year ago
Leaning
Yay! A Cyrano de Bergerac reference.
Posted by Oxior 1 year ago
Oxior
Give up?
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