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goomyiscute777
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TTheLionSleepsTonighTT
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Certain people/groups of people deserve a direct pass to hell.

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Started: 4/25/2019 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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goomyiscute777

Pro

I think that certain groups (Nazis, Terrorists, Homosexuals, Etc. ) are beyond any redemption, And deserve to go straight to hell.
TTheLionSleepsTonighTT

Con

A few things; First of all you are considering that God and Hell do exist. If it doesn't your argument falls apart.

But even if it was real, There are a few problems with your argument.

Not all Nazis

1) Have the right version of the Bible, As in the time propaganda was a big thing. It wasn't their fault that there was nothing available to them. It was Hitler, And not the Nazis.
2) Think that Hitler was wrong, Again, Because of propaganda. Brainwashing was a big thing.

Same with terrorists.
Debate Round No. 1
goomyiscute777

Pro

What about monsters like Hitler or Stalin? Don't you think THEY deserve to suffer for their crimes against humanity? For that matter, What about the OTHER people I mentioned?
TTheLionSleepsTonighTT

Con

The thing is, Everyone can redeem themselves. Whether they have killed one person or a trillion, God believes that everyone can redeem themselves. Also, The concept of "bad" is entirely to us humans. To Hitler, He was doing the right thing. To us, He was doing the wrong. Since being bad is entirely a human concept, He is both right and wrong, Which means be benefited the world as a whole (idk why but he did), And he also made the world worse.
Debate Round No. 2
goomyiscute777

Pro

So you think what Hitler did was good? You think GENOCIDE is a good thing? !
TTheLionSleepsTonighTT

Con

The thing I am trying to say is that terms like "bad" are completely a human concept. Therefore, Something is bad only if that specific person doing that thing entirely believes that it is bad. However, Hitler did not think genocide of Jews and such was bad, So technically he was not a bad person, Because he thought what he did was right.

Another thing is that humans aren't the only thing that we should care about. Yes, Genocide killed a lot of people, But it has also taught us things. Now, We don't abuse people as much. We don't use nuclear weapons in wars anymore. Governments (like the US, Canada, China, Etc. ) don't bomb civilian targets anymore. These have even been made war crimes, And the majority of them came from WWII.
Debate Round No. 3
goomyiscute777

Pro

What you said about Hitler thinking genocide was good is an evil way of thinking. Even if Hitler had doubts about his "Final Solution, " he would've gone along with it, Because he was evil.
TTheLionSleepsTonighTT

Con

It is not an evil way of thinking, Its a truthful and optimistic one.

You don't even tell me why, So I must conclude from what you say that I'm still right.

You also didn't address anything else I said.

Vote Con boys
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Leaning 3 years ago
Leaning
I dunno. I'm a bit hazy on religion. If 'I was a believer again, I'd believe people can change even after death. I've never been very impressed with people who claim they know every intricacy of the supposed afterlife. To me there was never enough detail or certain explanations in the Bible about the afterlife. There's too many what if questions for me.
Posted by TTheLionSleepsTonighTT 3 years ago
TTheLionSleepsTonighTT
tbh i forgot about everyone can still get redemption, But like, Since their all dead, Doesnt it mean they can't redeem themselves anymore
Posted by billsands 3 years ago
billsands
who are you to judge? Are you perfect it isnt for you r to say you are not god
Posted by billsands 3 years ago
billsands
who are you to judge
Posted by Leaning 3 years ago
Leaning
Oh, Didn't even notice the homosexuals part. C'mon what's wrong with that?
Posted by Leaning 3 years ago
Leaning
Hm, I would have gone the route that anyone can find redemption.
Posted by Leaning 3 years ago
Leaning
Are you arguing this from a religious perspective then? As in there are people who cannot 'ever be forgiven?

I might be willing to argue against that.
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