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Eating etiquette

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Started: 10/5/2019 Category: Cars
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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anc2006

Con

I believe having meal is a necessary life requirement, And not an art. Imagine following foreign eating etiquette when starving, Would already cost half of your life because you are technically wasting time following it. If eating things need etiquette then there will be more starving people on earth, Consider many of them consists of doing something ridiculous in profit that would waste time, Like praying to the god before having the meal. Eating, Is supposed to be what your life depends on, And not of any other things, Like praying or sharing food with an obligation or anything like these.
Change my mind.
Btw i don't think those etiquette are bad, I just think they aren't needed.

In order to win this, You have to state why eating etiquette should be obligatory to any applied meal, And why they are needed for it, And why is the absence of such etiquette be wrong. Anything not explained will be really imperfect and may lose the debate easily.

Now, You may start here. Reasons can be stated, Or just acceptance here.
Leaning

Pro

et"i"quette
the customary code of polite behavior in society or among members of a particular profession or group.

Culture says that certain behaviors/actions/concepts are good or bad, A large part I think because of tradition and what works naturally/rightly at the time. For people who are religious a prayer is right behavior to them. To an atheist brought up to believe that waiting for others to receive their food as well, To be right behavior, Doing so is right behavior for them. Could easily go the opposite way if one has the opinion that it's more rude to make people wait. But the point is what is right.

If there were a group of people starving to death, Who 'needed to eat before they were to die, And 'would perish if they did wait. I'm sure that most people would think the right etiquette to be to eat the food sooner than later.

Etiquette's just a culture value to me, And since I think much of our values of right and wrong come from our culture, It is right to follow your cultures etiquette. Most people's culture also teaches respect for other's etiquette, So following their etiquette is fine too.
Debate Round No. 1
anc2006

Con

Eating etiquette is inefficient. It takes up your time. You can finish up a dish in 3 minutes not following those old rules, Or you'd take 43 minutes following them. Eating is a part of life requirement, Not an art. You can just pick up some bread you baked 3 days ago and eat it not the way the french would do. Still that would be better to satisfy your hungry lung than to propose to the guy sitting in front of you, Drink a glass of wine, And "properly" set up the table. Eating like some wild dogs may not look so great, But at least you have 40 more minutes do your work, Play games, Do whatever you want. . . And those time are taken if you follow those old rules which has no use other than to drone your dining time more.

"I'm sure that most people would think the right etiquette to be to eat the food sooner than later. "

If most people do it so efficiently then there wouldn't be an etiquette anymore. In fact, If most people eat it as quickly as they can without any old rules, Then there would be much more time left.

"Most people's culture also teaches respect for other's etiquette, So following their etiquette is fine too. "

Manners are good. It can give them pleasing feelings and they waste no time.

Eating etiquette are not. You have barely any pleasements to the people next to you, And yet it wastes time.
Leaning

Pro

et"i"quette
the customary code of polite behavior in society or among members of a particular profession or group.

I'd say if there was some method of eating practiced and encouraged by a person or a group of people, It would become etiquette itself. Even if it was eating food for function, I'll use definition one of the below word.

func"tion"al"ism
/G2;fəNG(k)SH(ə)nlG6;izəm/
noun
noun: functionalism
1.
(in the arts) the doctrine that the design of an object should be determined solely by its function, Rather than by aesthetic considerations, And that anything practically designed will be inherently beautiful.
2.
(in the social sciences) the theory that all aspects of a society serve a function and are necessary for the survival of that society.
3.
(in the philosophy of mind) the theory that mental states can be sufficiently defined by their cause, Their effect on other mental states, And their effect on behavior.

There's a type of eating etiquette any where one goes I'd say, And following it or not does tend to change how pleased people are. A close knit family might be pleased by manners and politeness "Please pass the potatoes. " or conversation during a meal. A group of strangers eating a meal together might prefer a different set of manners, Where people mind their own business and don't talk to them.

If one Googles Blog The Table Me Table Manners in 9 Different Cultures

One is able to read a number of differently claimed table manners in 9 different countries. Following table manners is just following culture/tradition/manners. Which makes people polite/comfortable/relaxed. Walking down the street one might get their way quicker if they don't mind barging past shoulders and neglecting to greet anybody. But in a small town with a small population that'd be considered rude behavior and make people uncomfortable. New York, Maybe different manners expected because different type of place.

Near any type of social manners don't 'have to be followed, And a person may prefer 'not to follow certain ones due to their own preferences or beliefs on what is a better way to go about life. But I say in my argument, Being aware of social norms and what they mean tend to be more beneficial than negative. Even hard situations have manners, Though what is considered 'good manners might have changed.
Debate Round No. 2
anc2006

Con

To summarize my opponent's point, He stated that manners, And eating etiquettes both are "polite" and respectful and appropriate to their culture and ethnicity.

However it is still a fact that eating etiquette at some point may waste time. If you want to save time, Just eat it straightly instead of pray to god, Drink a sip of wine and propose to the boss sitting next to you before eating with a fork and knife. This is like comparing religion to atheism: sure religion exists and there may be overtimed traditions that can be abolished; but atheism just made yourself more independent and free. If you want us to follow eating etiquette, Go abolish atheism first because they occupies the same place.

plus, You didn't state why a lack of eating etiquette is wrong.
Leaning

Pro

It seems straightforward enough in defining something as the customary code of polite behavior in society or among members of a particular profession or group
That going 'against such would be seen as wrong by said people. Just the way societies works I figure.

I agree that following/understanding/making allowances for the manners of other's tends to be polite and respectful.

I'd also like to again stress my other point, That if someone went about a certain manner of eating quickly and with little fuss, Encouraged such in others, It 'becomes eating etiquette in itself. Your argument does not so much run along the lines of removing eating etiquette as replacing it with an etiquette designed more for the function of eating than social purposes.

'If you had structured your arguments more that people need not judge how others eat, That'd be more in line with getting rid of eating etiquette, 'but, Your main argument that you return to even in the last round, Is an argument for a type of eating etiquette, Rather than none at all.

Half of eating etiquette is social interaction, Whenever you bring a couple people together repeatedly at the dinner table, They're gonna come to some type of understanding of what is and isn't proper. Even animals understand manners, Jackals realize don't go eating the lions zebra same time as the lion, Or the lion is going to find it rude, And unpleasantness will occur.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Leaning 2 years ago
Leaning
Hahaha, Don't mean to be disrespectful with the laugh, . . . And honestly I can't quite put into words why I did. . . Something having to do with the atheism/religion/manners/freedom comparison. Something in it tickles a nihilists pang within myself.

Tradition is part of being human, Culture, And upbringing. It's something one can't escape really, Even if they deny it's power.

-WHOAH, I'm ranting nonsense 'way too much, Just gonna put this crazy part of mine in the comments without putting it in my argument.
Posted by Leaning 2 years ago
Leaning
Ah, Well I don't have an especially strong opinion on eating etiquette myself, I suppose if I ever had kids I'd teach them some, Because it's good for them getting along with others socially. Also really basic etiquette like not laughing and spraying food about. . . Though I'm not 'actually sure if one'd call that etiquette or not.
Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
no your comment. I thought there will be a wall of text telling me why I am wrong.
Posted by Leaning 2 years ago
Leaning
Eating etiquette?
Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
It scares me
Posted by Leaning 2 years ago
Leaning
Hey.
Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
Hi leaning!
Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
But the whole purpose of having a meal is eating though.
Posted by zapshe 2 years ago
zapshe
Sometimes, Eating a meal isn't about eating the meal, But rather about the people you're eating it with. If you're eating to fuel your body with the nutrients it needs, Than etiquette doesn't matter. If you're at dinner with your girlfriend or trying to impress a client, Than you're not eating for nutrients but rather for a different purpose which requires etiquette.
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