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jrardin12
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God Exists

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Started: 6/6/2019 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Debating Period
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jrardin12

Pro

The evidence:
Beginning of the universe
1. Everything that had a beginning had a cause.
2. The universe had a beginning.
3. Therefore the universe had a cause.
Design of the universe
1. Every design had a designer.
2. The universe has highly complex design.
3. Therefore, The universe had a Designer
Design of life
Moral Law
1. Every law has a law giver.
2. There is a Moral Law.
3. Therefore, There is a Moral Law Giver.
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Con

While it is true that the origin of the universe is shrouded in mystery, That does not mean that it HAD to have been created by an outside source. If everything has a beginning and a cause, Then what would God's beginning be? Not every design has a designer (depending on how you think about it). One could say that the cool rock I found at the beach was "designed" by the erosion of sand and sea. Does the fact that it has a design mean that someone spent countless hours whittling it down to the exact shape that it is now, No matter the complexity? The universe does have a very complex design but that does not necessitate a being who created it that way. There is no moral law. Ergo, No lawgiver. Often, A utilitarian perspective is used as the universal law: whatever action helps the most amount of people the most for the longest amount of time is the correct action. But that solely exists because of our existence as social and empathetic beings, And it is in no way universal.
Debate Round No. 1
jrardin12

Pro

"If everything has a beginning and a cause, Then what would God's beginning be? "
You misunderstand the premise. It says everything that had a beginning had a cause, Not everything has a cause. God does not have a beginning because He is outside time. He actually created Time.

"The universe does have a very complex design but that does not necessitate a being who created it that way. "
How do you explain then the the Anthropic Principle other than with a Cosmic Designer?

"There is no moral law. "
So I can murder you?
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Con

So, God is part of everything, Correct? And "everything has a beginning and a cause", Correct? Therefore, God has both a beginning and a cause. How do you know that God doesn't have a beginning?

There is no reason or proof that the universe HAD to create human life. Simple as that.

Morally, Both yes and no. There is no concrete moral law like Kantism, Determinism, Utilitarianism, Etc. Yes, In every situation, There is a morally right and wrong thing to do. But there is no written or thought of law that can account for every possible situation so there is no universal law.
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Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
@jrardin12 - "God does not have a beginning because He is outside time. He actually created Time. " Why are you such a true simpleton moron? Yet you nor anyone has ---ever--- proved that your god has ---ever--- existed. So since this is true how could this unproven god have possibly created something called "time"? How stupid are you? Oh and btw, According to YOUR bible, YOUR unproven printed character god in it perpetually moves forward in time, Never moving anywhere else, Not backward, As if he's human.

"There is no moral law. "
So I can murder you? "

Why don't we look at YOUR god's laws of morality and see how you do? If you answer "no" to all of the 6 questions in which you rightly should, This means you disobey your unproven god. If you say "yes" to ---any--- of these 6 questions, Its simple, This means you are as immoral as your unproven god. Ready?
Do you think you should be put to death just because you blaspheme? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 24:16, Do you think you should die if you work on the sabbath? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Exodus 31:14, And Numbers 15: 32-36, Do you think you should die for merely cursing at your parents? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9, Mark 7:10, Matthew 15:4, Do you think you should die if you commit adultery? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 20:10, Here"s some other things that YOUR god thinks you should die for. . . Do you think you should die if you are a homosexual? Y___? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 20:13, Do you think you should die if you worship other gods? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Deuteronomy 13: 9-10 and Deuteronomy 17: 2-5.

Yeah. Let's present the videos once again showing why atheists never lose debates against theists unless the atheist is incompetent.
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=dT1AlO0n9gg - Claiming No God is the Extraordinary Claim
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=0NNt5yEuk8w - Genocide in the Bible
Posted by sometimeswrong 2 years ago
sometimeswrong
The snuck premis that the universe is a design is silly. . . The universe could just as well be random, I won't say it is because i won't be winning points. The universe could have started when 1 thing split into 2 things which could have reacted and created more things, Those things reacted and created more. . . Thus giving a a vast array of things all different and some the same. . . . All things interact as well as react which creates different enviroments. Now we have different enivorments and different things in those enviroments. How does it look designed you ask?

What if things does last for ever? What if engery exists and once something runs out it breaks down and disapears or turns into something else? What if things reproduced in ways that progressed what they are and prolonged what they are? Well then we would soon grow and reproduce advancing, Developing and eventually how could you tell the deference between what is designed and what is not? Well you can't because evolution is used in design. . . However evolution doesn't need design, But design needs evolution.

The premis that a design needs a designer is silly because beautify doesn't need a design it just needs to evolve from somewhere.
Posted by missmedic 2 years ago
missmedic
No one claims to know how the universe began except the religious.
Morality is innate in most all humans even the religious.
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
@jrardin12 - Have fun with these two Atheist Experience debates that took place this past Sunday and the week prior. Is it any blunder WHY no scientific communities from around the world, Oh say perhaps 100, Will ever side with your idiotic god?
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=dT1AlO0n9gg - Claiming No God is the Extraordinary Claim - Danel Wi
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=0NNt5yEuk8w - Daniel Wi (the following week) Genocide in the Bible
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