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God definitely lied in the bible, At one time or another, At least one time.

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Started: 2/11/2020 Category: Religion
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anc2006

Pro

Argument 1:
[Taken from Backwardseden]

There are fairy circles that kills the organisms inside. Bugs cannot enter here, Humans does not enter there or they are ill from now on. The dirt has no water and thus sustain no grass.

Another place called Dallol cannot sustain life either. No one is meant to go there if they are living. No bugs flying in there. No pugs running in there. See Backwardseden for more information.

So there are possibly two(2) times god lied.
1) Genesis, God said that he created earth for humans to thrive, Thus he would never create such a place that humans cannot enter or he is ill.
2) If god is all-mighty and all-powerful, He should be able to fix these things or the first one is definitely fake. I don't see a reason god would not do so, So either he doesn't exist, Or that he does exist, But he lied at least one over two above, In which one possibility is that god is not all-mighty and all-powerful.
yournewEmperor

Con

1) Yes, God did create the Earth for humans to thrive. He also gave them rules to follow in order to keep our perfection, Because at that time we were a perfect being. The Earth was perfect in God's eyes, Meaning there could be no place of harm for humans or any other living being. Mankind was given an opportunity to obey or not, It was simply to not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. But, Satan tempted Eve and then Adam, And after the fruit was eaten we were stripped of our perfect state. After we sinned, The garden was blocked and forever lost. Sin was allowed into the world, And corrupted it. Before the fall there could be no such place, But since we disobeyed we reaped the consequences of our disobedience. Now since the Earth is no longer perfect, Such places like this may exist. These places never were intended to exist, But since we disobeyed, They are consequences of our actions.
2) God IS all-mighty and all- powerful, And yes He can fix these places if He wants to. Research shows that some microbial life do exist in Dallol, So it is not entirely uninhabitable. I do not have a reason of why God would not fix a place like this, But everything happens and exists for a reason. Studies also show that many microorganisms there could help scientists understand conditions on Mars. Who knows, This place may turn up some very valuable information at the end of it.
Debate Round No. 1
anc2006

Pro

1) Earth is created for humans to THRIVE AND USE, Instead just inspection. Our first mars rover is not meant for us to live there. It is merely inspection. In fact god did not say that Dallol is for inspection not live, So the theoretical earth generated just from the bible would not include Dallol as it contradicts what god's image is. So as that Backwardseden proves, If god creates the earth just fro us to live and thrive, Then there should not be a place like Dallol.

And no, God said no cow turd about how mars's climate works. He did not even say about what places are not for living. This is as if Dallol is as harmless to life as Jackson, WY.

2) So they exist because of sin? This is like, Because I say I am right, Thus I am right. Dallol exists as a toxic natural wasteland SOLELY because of its unusual eruption of toxic substances, Which is like farting, Which is nothing too unusual. This is just as unusual as earthquakes, Floods, And tornadoes.

So prove my 2nd point false, These must be proved.

1) Prove how does our bad actions correlates to sulfur erupted on the ground that exist before humans even exist.
2) Prove how god did not lie in these lines.
3) Let's just say you proved these two, Prove why god hadn't make them less toxic, Because the earth, According to god, Is supposed to be useful to humans on every square inch. These lands are useless for us to just live and thrive, And the only useful thing is for inspection and investigation. God did not tell us about it, If he can see the entire space-time continuum. At this, If god is loyal to humans, Why doesn't he do it, Or why doesn't he even speak about it?
yournewEmperor

Con

"1) Earth is created for humans to THRIVE AND USE, Instead just inspection. " Yes, It was created to thrive and use, But before we can even begin to use the resources we have been given, Shouldn"t we know how they will affect the earth and the lives of humanity? So in order to use we must inspect. "So the theoretical earth generated just from the bible would not include Dallol as it contradicts what god's image is. " God"s image only relates to how He created mankind. It does not describe how the earth was formed. The earth was formed as a response to the WILL of God. "So as that Backwardseden proves, If god creates the earth just for us to live and thrive, Then there should not be a place like Dallol. " I beg to differ, Not enough research has been done to formally prove that Dallol only exists as a harmful wasteland. Further study will have to be done if you are to prove your theory accurate. "2) So they exist because of sin? This is like, Because I say I am right, Thus I am right. Dallol exists as a toxic natural wasteland SOLELY because of its unusual eruption of toxic substances, Which is like farting, Which is nothing too unusual. This is just as unusual as earthquakes, Floods, And tornadoes. " If Dallol is nothing to unusual then why does the existence of this place make you think God lied? "1) Prove how does our bad actions correlates to sulfur erupted on the ground that exist before humans even exist. " This place may not necessarily have come into existence only for bad, Because there are many positive uses of the things there.
Sulfur can be used for the following:
"The vulcanization of natural rubber
"Fungicides
"Gun powder
"Detergent in the manufacture of phosphate fertilizers

Dallol may be harmful to one thing, But it can provide beneficial resources for us to USE. "2) Prove how god did not lie in these lines. " Verse: John 1:14
"3) Let's just say you proved these two, Prove why god hadn't make them less toxic, Because the earth, According to god, Is supposed to be useful to humans on every square inch. These lands are useless for us to just live and thrive, And the only useful thing is for inspection and investigation. God did not tell us about it, If he can see the entire space-time continuum. At this, If god is loyal to humans, Why doesn't he do it, Or why doesn't he even speak about it? " To answer this I will quote you scripture that provides the answer. Genesis 1:10- God called the dry ground "land", And the gathered waters he called "seas". And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:31- God saw all that He had made, And it was very good. And there was evening and morning- the sixth day. God did speak about it, He called it good. He created it for a reason, That reason may only be known to him.
Debate Round No. 2
anc2006

Pro

I can still refute.

" God did speak about it, He called it good. He created it for a reason, That reason may only be known to him. "

Yes. So when I go to my algebra test, I will take this advice saying that, If I don't know the answer I will say that "there is an answer" and I get full credit. It doesn't work like that, Obviously. Yeah How did Jefferey Epstein die? He died. How did the Egyptians build the pyramids? They built it. How did Elon musk engineer the mars rocket? Ask him he knows. Great you think I am satisfied? No. Not at all. If you don't know the answer, And that would mean one thing: god is lying.

1) God want to educate the humans
2) Doesn't tell us about why the earth is good(this is one of the most fundamental things humans can possibly know, Yet god refuse to tell us, On top of that he can explain EVEYRTHING)

And no, You did not answer HOW can we thrive inside there without like, Astronaut clothes on 24 hours a day? Humans cannot excavate Sulfur from there until the nearest century.

" Verse: John 1:14"

Explain. Verses doesn't matter. And you can't cite anything outside of bible. Really really.

"This place may not necessarily have come into existence only for bad, Because there are many positive uses of the things there. "

The thing with sulfur mines are, At least I want to get in there. Dallol's life sustainability is so low that only mutated bacteria survive and everything else dies. Humans must be wearing clothes similar to Astronauts in order to at least investigate. This place brings more harm than good for humans really. You die really quickly in there. The only possible way to mine sulfur from there is autonomous machines. You may argue that it would help us grow in technology, But no, There are bigger sulfur mines out there that just make this place completely unworthy.

" If Dallol is nothing to unusual then why does the existence of this place make you think God lied? "

Tornadoes and earthquakes are natural signs of earth and are regular. This is not to the extreme that god lied. But Dallol is a whole different layer of the cake. It is a place where there is not that much sulfur that it is the last place you'd go, But yet it is just a yellow hell that kills innocents. This was formed before humans existed. Such a useless piece of land where its damage is more than its help yielded. You think god created it for the sake of us? Why doesn't he remove the poison or simply remove the place alltogether? Humans will just design tools for that one place that it will be so meaningless just to get samples of chemicals.

And no, Dallol is just an example. God doesn't need to lie just here.
yournewEmperor

Con

"If you don't know the answer, And that would mean one thing: god is lying. " If you are truly an atheist, Then your statement says otherwise. The atheist perspective is that there is no God, So how can someone that does not exist in your opinion be lying? By claiming that God lied, You are acknowledging the existence of God. If you have read the Bible, Which you should have done if you are to claim God doesn"t exist, Then you should have come across the verse Titus 1:2-in the hope of eternal life, Which God, Who cannot lie, Promised before time began. "2) Doesn't tell us about why the earth is good(this is one of the most fundamental things humans can possibly know, Yet god refuse to tell us, On top of that he can explain EVEYRTHING)" God DID tell us why the Earth is good. Genesis 1:29-And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, Which is upon the face of the earth, And every tree, In which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed: to you it shall be for food. "You did not answer HOW can we thrive inside there without like, Astronaut clothes on 24 hours a day? Humans cannot excavate Sulfur from there until the nearest century. " With the technology that exists today, We could establish a settlement there if we wanted to. "Dallol's life sustainability is so low that only mutated bacteria survive and everything else dies. " You contradict your original statement that started this whole debate. "Dallol cannot sustain life either. " "There are bigger sulfur mines out there that just make this place completely unworthy. " Once these other sulfur mines run out, Then won"t the sulfur in Dallol provide valuable after all? " How can Dallol kill innocents if you claim that nothing lives in Dallol. You contradict yourself once again. "Such a useless piece of land where its damage is more than its help yielded. " Like I have already said, Not enough research has been done in Dallol to formally prove your theory.

I have really enjoyed debating this topic with a worthy opponent like you @anc2006
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Augom 1 year ago
Augom
1) Yes, Indeed he did. In fact, The universe used to be perfect. Dallol (or whatever) is a result of the fall.

2) "If god is all-mighty and all-powerful, He should be able to fix these things or the first one is definitely fake. "
As long as God has morally sufficient reasons for permitting the things that you're questioning, There is no issue.
Posted by Atheistic_Christian 1 year ago
Atheistic_Christian
"Like so many here on DDO clearly has no genuine friends or loved ones, A HUGE red flag because it has to B. S. His way across the landscape in order to make an impact. " YOU"RE LOWNLY! I GET IT! I"m sorry your father left you and your mother beat you but stop projecting on to others.
"Why do you, And or any intelligent, Educated person think I will NOT debate it? " Because you quit every debate claiming you won by the second round.
"BULL F--KING S--T as an example along with its other overgrown toenail philosophies. Not only that it would have to prove every single Jew false from which HIS UNPROVEN STORYBOOK CHARACTER GOD OF PRINT ONLY first issued them. " Please elaborate.
". So now it is saying that his unproven storybook character god of print only is taking back what it originally sanctioned? Why yes, It is. It---has---0---outs. None. " What was originally sanctioned? Death? Hell? The original way out was through animal sacrifice.
"Even worse, If that maggot was to take this crap to 20 different churches OF MERIT within a 20 mile radius 1 billion to 1 they would ALL disagree with that crap. " Everyone thinks they are important. A good example is yourself. It still doesn"t make it true.
"Where does this thing come up with this? Ah yes, Is it any blunder why there are over 33, 480 denominations of Christianity alone? " Almost all of those "denominations" are small subdivisions of larger actual denominations. Give me the list of all the churches. I dare you.
"It is a perfect tidal wave example of it. It really is THIS stupid and expects ---anybody--- and ---everybody--- to swallow its whimsical nonsensical granny farts. Sorry, Those that know, Even a little bit, Won't s--t stain swallow it. " I honestly don"t expect to change your mind. I am just trying to educate you on a topic you clearly know nothing about. Also check your grammar. It is absolutely horrific. It makes you look like a troglodyte.
Posted by Atheistic_Christian 1 year ago
Atheistic_Christian
language, Right? If we tried to read old English, It would look like another language. His word hasn"t changed. The laws of grammar have.
"Not only that but these verses 100% prove that Christ was not needed or required as the messiah especially if it CHANGED god's original laws. " Jesus was needed. At the time sacrifices of animals were needed every year to cleanse the sin of the Jews or they would go to hell as sin can"t exist in God"s presence. With his death he gave everyone a change to go to heaven. Without him we would never have that chance.
"once again, Prove every single Jew as being false also, Because that's what you would need to do. " Once again? When was the first time? Why do I have to prove the Jews wrong? Everything they teach is the old version of Christianity. They need an update, But they aren"t wrong.
P. S. How on earth do you still think Christians don"t exist when you are debating Christians all the time?
Posted by Atheistic_Christian 1 year ago
Atheistic_Christian
@Backwardseden ""I don't mean to be rude" You are when you don't know what you are talking about and you pretend that you do. Because you don't you make up excuses and or flat out lie for it. " Ok, I can normally find some sense in your insanity but this time I can"t. This statement was before a question on GRAMMER. It has nothing to do with the rest of the argument. And based on every post you"ve ever made; YOU have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Christianity.
"Why Does Every Intelligent Christian disobey Jesus?
ALL supposed Christians disobey Christ. There is no such thing as a Christian. You cannot invent things that suit you from the hip to suit your wants, Needs and desires in which case you MUST in order to be what is stated as per what Christ"s s--t values are in your bible in which case YOU have not point blank read AND understood. " No one is perfect. All humans sin thousands of times per day. The point is that Jesus died so we can go to heaven anyway. He cleanses us of our sin through faith in him. He was the ultimate sacrifice. I am not inventing things to fit my wants in any way. I am giving quotes. How are Christ"s values s"t? How is universal love and peace a bad thing? As I said in my first message to you, "you are contradictory. " I thought this is what you wanted? You are the one with no understanding of Christianity at all. Also @anc2006 here is your quote where he states Christians don"t exist even though they obviously do. Correct me if this isn"t what you wanted.
"In other words, God"s word is PERFECT. It cannot be changed by anyone or anything. Christ, Being the lowly drab that he supposedly was in which like god who in which nobody can even prove has ever existed could---not---change---god"s---laws---because---god"s---word---is---PERFECT---and---cannot---be---changed. Got it? " God"s word is perfect and can"t be changed. The meaning stays the same in every version of the text. You do realize that English is an evolving lang
Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
"I don't mean to be rude" You are when you don't know what you are talking about and you pretend that you do. Because you don't you make up excuses and or flat out lie for it.
Here's a video just for you. . .
http://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=x-slAgzJmdU - Why Does Every Intelligent christian disobey jesus?
ALL supposed christians disobey christ. There is no such thing as a christian. You cannot invent things that suit you from the hip to suit your wants, Needs and desires in which case you MUST in order to be what is stated as per what christ's s--t values are in your bible in which case YOU have not point blank read AND understood.

Pay attention closely:
*Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. "
*Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, The flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. "
*2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, And is profitable for doctrine, For reproof, For correction, For instruction in righteousness:"
*Psalm 19:7 "The law of the Lord is perfect, Converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, Making wise the simple. "
*Psalm 119:160 "Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. "
* James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, And cometh down from the Father of lights, With whom is no variableness, Neither shadow of turning. "
In other words god"s word is PERFECT. It cannot be changed by anyone or anything. Christ, Being the lowly drab that he supposedly was in which like god who in which nobody can even prove has ever existed could---not---change---god"s---laws---because---god"s---word---is---PERFECT---and---cannot---be---changed. Got it?
Not only that but these verses 100% prove that christ was not needed or required as the messiah especially if it CHANGED god's original laws.
once again, Prove every single jew as being false also, Because that's what you would need to do.
Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
@anc2006 - Thankfully there are not too many morons out there like Atheistic_B. S. Er in order to make landfall. He, Once again, Like so many here on DDO clearly has no genuine friends or loved ones, A HUGE red flag because it has to B. S. His way across the landscape in order to make an impact. Why do you, And or any intelligent, Educated person think I will NOT debate it?
"With Christ"s death all of the punishments from breaking the 10 commandments were removed. " BULL F--KING S--T as an example along with its other overgrown toenail philosophies. Not only that it would have to prove every single jew false from which HIS UNPROVEN STORYBOOK CHARACTER GOD OF PRINT ONLY first issued them. So now it is saying that his unproven storybook character god of print only is taking back what it originally sanctioned? Why yes it is. It---has---0---outs. None.
Even worse, If that maggot was to take this crap to 20 different churches OF MERIT within a 20 mile radius 1 billion to 1 they would ALL disagree with that crap. Where does this thing come up with this? Ah yes, Is it any blunder why there are over 33, 480 denominations of christianity alone? It is a perfect tidal wave example of it. It really is THIS stupid and expects ---anybody--- and ---everybody--- to swally its whimsical nonsensical granny farts. Sorry, Those that know, Even a little bit, Won't s--t stain swallow it.
Posted by Atheistic_Christian 1 year ago
Atheistic_Christian
Also @anc2006 I don't mean to be rude so I apologize if I come off that way, But can you fix some of your grammar? It gives the option before every post.
Posted by Atheistic_Christian 1 year ago
Atheistic_Christian
honor and protect children and ---never cause any harm unto them. " ALL OF THE COMMANDMENTS, Every single one is down and depressing, When they should be uplifting, Peaceful, Give people hope and offer prosperity. A 2-year-old with no brains, Including you I would hope could easily think of a better 50 commandments. Here"s some help for you since you don"t get it and even worse since you are clearly brainwashed and don"t want to get it"
https://www. YouTube. Com/watch? V=v-63cTYJDCA&t=23s - Christopher Hitchens's Ten Commandments
"The 10 commandments and the 2 that Jesus gave us"" WHAT? Um no. Flat out 100% wrong. And this is why you have absolutely no idea what your religion is about, What your religion is, What piece of moo juice crap your religion is WITHOUT PROOF of one god damned thing.
We"re done. Again, I really hate it when people like you have to make up excuses and flat out lie and you did in order to cover for something in which they clearly know nothing about. Bye. " The death penalty has since been removed by the New Testament (I know stereotypical response). With Christ"s death all of the punishments from breaking the 10 commandments were removed. They are laws. Are laws happy and cheerful? No. Jesus did give two commandments: love your neighbor as yourself, And love God with all your heart mind and soul. If these are completed, Then the other 10 are as well. We obviously know more on OWR OWN RELIGION than you do. Proof was given and promptly ignored. Answer the question. "What came first, The chicken or the egg? The mouth or stomach? The blood or the lungs? "
Posted by Atheistic_Christian 1 year ago
Atheistic_Christian
also @Backwardseden "I mention GOD you total bringing on of disgust. I did not mention anything else. Luke 3:22 separates the "holy ghost" from "the son". AND what is this "the holy ghost"? Ah yes, Have fun with this one"
https://en. Wikipedia. Org/wiki/An_Historical_Account_of_Two_Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture - "An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture"
"in heaven, The Father, The Word, And the Holy Ghost: and these three are one", That support the Trinity doctrine, Did not appear in the original Greek Scriptures. "
AND you cannot even prove that this Christ fellow has ever existed also along with YOUR unproven storybook character god of print only. Again, A super easy strike 1.
I"m not going to look up verses. If you cannot post them, Don"t bother. That was your only get out of jail free card. "
I"m not going to look up verses. If you cannot post them, Don"t bother. That was your only get out of jail free card. " 1. God, According to the trinity doctrine is three persons in one: The Father, Son, And Holy Spirit. So, Bringing up God is bringing up all three. 2. The holy ghost is (simplified) the presence of God in all Christians. 3. I read your link and it was interesting. First, As it says the change has since been removed in 1 John. Second, The grammatical change has no effect on the meaning of the verse or chapter. It changes nothing overall. I must thank you for bringing this to my attention. 4. The verses mentioned would take up more space than both of our rants combined, So I can see why he didn"t spell them out.
"3. Really? The 10 commandments are of common decency? OK we"re done after this. That"s an easy strike 20 or so. 4 of the 10 commandments are for your god"s ego only (would you like the verses? ) 4 of the 10 commandments if not obeyed issue death warrants (would you like the verses? ) There"s not one commandment that is geared towards children such as yourself which should read something to the effect of "thou shalt always
Posted by Atheistic_Christian 1 year ago
Atheistic_Christian
I actually copy paste from a word document so the whole rant is posted at once.
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