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Homosexuality

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Started: 2/6/2020 Category: Society
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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anc2006

Pro

I support homosexuality. I don't think it is bad.

Let me hear the opinion of my fellow debaters.
luanism

Con

Unfortunately, Not everyone supports homosexuality. However, I do and many others do as well. The beauty of diversity and understanding.

I'm not sure if you want me to make an argument against homosexuality or just give an honest opinion, But I will quote what the Bible says about it.

According to the Bible, God created humans to engage in sex only within the arrangement of marriage between a male and a female. (Genesis 1:27, 28; Leviticus 18:22; Proverbs 5:18, 19) The Bible condemns sexual activity that is not between a husband and wife, Whether it is homosexual or heterosexual. (1 Corinthians 6:18) This includes intercourse, Fondling another person"s genitals, And engaging in oral or anal sex.
While the Bible disapproves of homosexual acts, It does not condone hatred of homosexuals or homophobia. Instead, Christians are directed to "respect everyone. " 1 Peter 2:17.

References: https://www. Jw. Org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-about-homosexuality/
Debate Round No. 1
anc2006

Pro

1. The bible was a historical fiction/fable written in 1st century AD. Some ideas were outdated, Such as the normalization of homophobia, One-husband-and-more-wives system, And even murdering of non-christians.

Speaking of which, Even the christian god doesn't "hate" homosexual people, It is just the people back then.

2. To win, You must prove why gay people are bad for the society. My side suggests it is not, And I have evidence.
luanism

Con

Before I state my argument, I would like to be on the same page in regards to terminology and word of choice, So that there are no misunderstandings in the future.
I'll be talking about the gay community. I. E. , The topic of this argument, "Homosexuality" or just simple LGBTQ (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, And Queer/Questioning).
Notice how I capitalised each category?

So, Once upon a time ago, A marriage consisted of one man and one female, Not two or more men, Not two or more women. . .
However, One might argue that homosexuality is an uncontrolled desire. Therefore, Making it a reasonable justification for a person to be attracted to the same gender, Male or female. . .
However, This excuse does not change the fact that we All have desires, Even heterosexual (male + female) but even they have their own personal challenges. (lust, Temptation, 7 deadly sins, Etc. )

While problems may not all be the same, It's needless to say that they all derived from somewhere, A beginning; a sprout that was stumbled upon by someone, Somewhere, And some time ago. . . (Bear with me)
Furthermore, I believe that while not everyone is going through the same problem, We all understand each other in some way or another, Which is why I also believe that the gay community does not require to prove a damn thing to anyone due to fear of judgement, Or being misunderstood, Or anything else!
My belief is: Know that in time, People will accept you for who you are, But that only begins and ends with You. So the choice is yours, But the only person who has the power to change that is You.

My next point about homosexuality talks about how some people have not reached the required age of maturity. An age where one is capable of understanding that it is okay to be a little different, Or even a lot different. An age, Where one has truly bloomed. . . (Bear with me)
It's absolutely okay to feel a certain way.
People are going to judge you, And that's okay too.
In time, You will find yourself becoming very comfortable/confident with yourself ranging from your sexuality, To your identity, To what really makes you, You.
The key words are: In Time

Another negative point about homosexuality is that some people take the subject Way Too Seriously, Which leads turns into a large debate and we all know that remaining civilised can already be a challenge in the first place, Let alone talking about a subject that not everybody fully understands!
Furthermore, People who are extremely proud of their sexuality should remain as orderly and righteous as possible when in public due to the fact that not everyone is on the same page. I. E. , PDA (Public Displays Of Affection). The same concept applies to heterosexual people.

So, Clearly, This subject should be considered a 'forbidden' topic and should always be kept in mind with the utmost respect. I. E. , "keep it on the down low". It should not consist of flashy parades and protests, Desperately trying to prove a point that it's something we should glorify and pour empty emotions that we can't justify due to a lack of knowledge.
Solution: Do Your Research First
Anyways, I have rambled on.

But, In a nutshell just remember: 1. The Purpose Of Marriage/Mankind is to reproduce, Raise children and that usually requires man + woman; we all have desires, Every last one of us, Regardless of gender, Sexuality, Or Questioning; the key is to practice self-control!

2. In time, Your problems will decrease in weight because you are blooming, Growing, And learning from your mistakes and becoming more responsible each day; the key words are: In Time

3. Some people take things too seriously when they are passionate about something, So it's best to remain as orderly and righteous as possible when in public due to any kind of misunderstandings from people who aren't as knowledgeable/understanding about homosexuality. I. E. , The gay community, LGBTQ, Etc. Etc.

In the end, It goes to say that homosexuality is not normal because it denies the very specific purpose of marriage, Having a family and kids: The Safeguarding of the human race.
Debate Round No. 2
anc2006

Pro

"So, Clearly, This subject should be considered a 'forbidden' topic and should always be kept in mind with the utmost respect. I. E. , "keep it on the down low". It should not consist of flashy parades and protests, Desperately trying to prove a point that it's something we should glorify and pour empty emotions that we can't justify due to a lack of knowledge.
Solution: Do Your Research First
Anyways, I have rambled on. "

I am proud to talk about it and you should not forbid me for supporting it, Even if you didn't. It is your freedom to not talk about it but it is also mine to do. I know the pride parades may be a little to far, But that still doesn't defeat the fact that homosexuality may come from the genes, And that it it is helpful in some way.

"But, In a nutshell just remember: 1. The Purpose Of Marriage/Mankind is to reproduce, Raise children and that usually requires man + woman; we all have desires, Every last one of us, Regardless of gender, Sexuality, Or Questioning; the key is to practice self-control! "

Self control? How homophobic are you? First is that Homosexuality can come from the genes, And second, It is not 200 AD. This time period is when the famines can be cured faster than the rate of humans filling them up. We have to control the population or we will just be the tumor of the earth later on. Gay people can't reproduce, So at least they did not increase the population unnecessarily. Condoms and birth control pills exist for the same reason, And for the gays, There is no need for it. And I will genuinely clap if you say "but condoms' sale stimulates the economy" as the cost of a child stimulates much more than 1, 000 condoms.

A relationship doesn't need a child, Even if it can. Well what is the gay choice of having a child? Adopt. Just by adoption, There will be less abandoned orphans in the world. Choose, Either deny yourself and have an unwanted baby, Or know what you like and not unnecessarily born an unwanted person.

Besides, Why have a marriage? Being single doesn't mean you are asexual. Plus, Today as, It is "seize population" instead of "create population" consider we have 8 billion while when the bible was written there are only 400 million people or less, And the europeans have no contacts of the native Americans. We are going on the moon instead of farming solely. Having unwanted children in marriages would just get in the way as the population would be too crowded if so.

"2. In time, Your problems will decrease in weight because you are blooming, Growing, And learning from your mistakes and becoming more responsible each day; the key words are: In Time"

I know the past, But what about now? Are you just denying homosexuality just for the sake of denying it? I know in time, But you can't say that it is accepted by no organizations, Because there are many countries, Such as Denmark or Sweden. As the past matters, The present matters too.

"Some people take things too seriously when they are passionate about something, So it's best to remain as orderly and righteous as possible when in public due to any kind of misunderstandings from people who aren't as knowledgeable/understanding about homosexuality. I. E. , The gay community, LGBTQ, Etc. Etc. "

This is very serious. It could control populations and it could aid other forms of pride. Why be silent when they are supporting you? Why not support them if you see goods more than bads?

Argument done. Awaiting for yours.
luanism

Con

The self control point was aimed at specific people who attend these protests/parades with the intent of only satisfying their selfish needs. . . The kind of people who give protesting a bad name due to their promiscuous and unrighteous behavior. . . The people who only go to hook up with strangers who put themselves at a risk to catch diseases (without or without a condom), The kind of people who cause riots, Mislead others into believing that homosexuality is actually a benefit for society when it's not. . .

It's a danger to society because there are consequences to being gay, And I'm not saying that to be rude or mean but it's the truth, And here is why.

Living a homosexual lifestyle puts the mental and spiritual health at risk. You always have to question your identity, Defend yourself from discrimination, Contemplate suicide and every little decision that goes into acting or not acting a certain way in fear of what others might think or do to them. It goes without saying that gay people are a target and are a victim of harassment and even violence; most of them resort to substance abuse whether it be alcohol, Marijuana, Or other.
Let us take a look at some stats.

"Studies have found that GLBT youth attempt suicide more than 3 times more frequently than their heterosexual counterparts. "

2% of U. S. Population is gay yet it accounts for 61% of HIV infection: "Men who have sex with men [MSM] remain the group most heavily affected by new HIV infections. While the CDC estimates that MSM represent only 2 percent of the U. S. Population, They accounted for the majority (61 percent; 29, 300) of all new HIV infections in 2009. Young MSM (ages 13 to 29) were most severely affected, Representing more than one quarter of all new HIV infections nationally (27 percent; 12, 900 in 2009). "

"A 2013 survey conducted by the U. S. Census Bureau found that a higher percentage of LGBT adults between 18 and 64 reported past-year binge drinking (five or more drinks on a single occasion) than heterosexual adults. "

$12. 1 Billion annual cost in US: "Future treatment for the 40, 000 people infected with HIV in the United States every year will cost $12. 1 billion annually, A new study showed. "

$1. 5 Billion Cost for 2001 in Canada: "June 2001, Halifax, Nova Scotia--HIV/AIDS cost Canadians more than $2 billion in 1999 in direct and indirect costs. Health care costs accounted for about $560 million; prevention, Research and supports to AIDS victims for about $40 million; and lost economic production due to premature death and disability for nearly $1. 5 billion. "

As you can see these are just some of the stats on how risky the homosexual lifestyle can be, Not only to themselves but to others as well.

You talked about adoption which I liked. However, Not everyone wants or is willing to adopt. You're right that it would be saving a lot of abandoned orphans around the world, But again, Not everyone wants to adopt. And, If by some miracle everyone chooses to do so, What would happen to mankind when nobody is around to reproduce, To further society, Mankind?

You made an interesting point talking about how overly proportionate the population is, But let me remind you that it would be highly unlikely that one day people are just going to miraculously say to themselves, "let's save the earth and seize reproduction! " because doing the right thing is the first thing that comes to most people's minds, Right?

At the end of the day, Gay will be gay, Straight will be straight, People who want to marry will want to marry and have kids. Although, Having kids or not is also a choice and everyone is allowed to say yes or no to something (including unsafe gay sex, Including unnecessary parades with no real meaning other than the 1% of people there actually hoping to raise awareness). As you can see, We all have a choice. Unfortunately, Homosexuality became a stigma, A negative look and is frowned upon not only because of the reputation it has achieved by certain people, But because of the studies conducted showing the dangers, Health risks, Health costs that it has on society.
Debate Round No. 3
9 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 9 records.
Posted by anc2006 1 year ago
anc2006
Just don't use URL's. It breaks down the system of this site.
Posted by luanism 1 year ago
luanism
Hi, I've posted my argument 3 times now but on my end it doesn't show that it has been posted. . . Can someone tell me if they see it?
Posted by Leaning 1 year ago
Leaning
I imagine, With no proof, That we have all sort of behavior encouraging genes within us. Including behaviors you'd be less ready to condone.
Further, I imagine we have contradictory instincts as well. Leastwise instincts that can be at odds in certain situations.
Posted by anc2006 1 year ago
anc2006
There are homosexual-encouraging genes in your birth, And to deny them is like to scrape your skin away in some parts.
Posted by luanism 1 year ago
luanism
You guys can skip to the conclusion at the bottom if it's too much to read
Posted by luanism 1 year ago
luanism
I apologise if I rambled too much, But feel free to skip to the points :)
Posted by Leaning 1 year ago
Leaning
Accepted example?
Posted by anc2006 1 year ago
anc2006
I am not saying it should be enforced, But it should be accepted.
Posted by Leaning 1 year ago
Leaning
In general, I don't really support or oppose homosexuality.
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