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GoldenFreddy83
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In the bible god states several times that it is evil, So even a simpleton can figure out it is evil

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Started: 11/16/2019 Category: Religion
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backwardseden

Pro

In the bible its character storybook printed unproven god states several times that it is "evil", So even a simpleton preschooler with a stunted intelligence can easily figure out it is "evil" and that in no possible way is it good. So prove that the unproven god of the bible to be good and thus prove that the verses spewed from its mouth are false, In which case you would have to thus prove that the christian god is false (well we already knew that) and that the bible is false as well and that it is a mere storybook also (we already knew this also) and is only meant for the uneducated and those who are gullible. Here are a few samples. . .

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, And create darkness: I make peace, And create evil: I the LORD do all these things. "

2 Samuel 12: 11-14 "Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, And I will take thy wives before thine eyes, And give them unto thy neighbour, And he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. 12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, And before the sun. 13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. 14 Howbeit, Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, The child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. " (theevilbible. Com) [The child dies seven days later. ] This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, Really sick!

Exodus 32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. "

1K I 22: 22-23 "And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, And I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, And prevail also: go forth, And do so. 23 Now therefore, Behold, The LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, And the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee. "

2 Chronicles 18:22 "Now therefore, Behold, The LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, And the LORD hath spoken evil against thee. "

Lamentations 3:38 "Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? "

Jeremiah 18:11 "Now therefore go to, Speak to the men of Judah, And to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, And devise a device against you: return ye now every one from his evil way, And make your ways and your doings good. "

Jeremiah 19:3 "And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, And inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, The God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, The which whosoever heareth, His ears shall tingle. "

Jeremiah 19:15 "Thus saith the LORD of hosts, The God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the evil that I have pronounced against it, Because they have hardened their necks, That they might not hear my words. "

Jeremiah 23:12 "Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, And fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, Even the year of their visitation, Saith the LORD. "

Amos 3:6 "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, And the people not be afraid? Shall there be evil in a city, And the LORD hath not done it? "

Deuteronomy 30:15 "See, I have set before thee this day life and good, And death and evil;"

2 Kings 22:16 "Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, And upon the inhabitants thereof, Even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read:"

2 Kings 22:20 "Behold therefore, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, And thou shalt be gathered into thy grave in peace; and thine eyes shall not see all the evil which I will bring upon this place.

Judges 9:23 "Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:"

dsjpk5 is disqualified from the voting procedures as he tries to pretend he's god and thus change the voting structure of who wins and loses here on DDO.
GoldenFreddy83

Con

Firstly, I would like to address ALL the verses you provided and try to explain why they are not valid with your reasoning.
(Just to be clear, Are you using the KJV? I"m pretty sure that that one was mistranslated a couple of times. )

Isaiah 45:7
It actually reads: "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster;" "disaster" does not necessarily mean "evil, " it means punishment for disobeying God"s commandments.

Exodus 32:14
The correct word is "relented", Not "repented". Repented means apologized for. Relented means dropped any intentions, Usually harsh ones. And the context of this is that the Israelites had created idols, Or false gods and one of God"s Ten Commandments is to have no gods before him. God was angry and was going to punish them for their actions, But Moses asked God to show them mercy. That"s not evil. It"s like if your kid stole something from a store, You would ground them, I hope.

2 Chronicles 18:22
The context is that God wants to remove Ahab from the throne of Israel, As he has displeased the Lord by worshipping idols. Thusly, God has put a deceiving spirit in Ahab"s prophets in order to lure him into battle and kill him and have a better king step up.

Lamentations 3:38
Translates to "Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come? " It is showing that God is in control of what happens to his Creation, Meaning he can punish those who disobey his commandments and reward those who do.

Jeremiah 18:11
This actually helps my side. God is warning the people that he will punish them if they don"t turn from their evil ways.

Jeremiah 19:3
One verse later explains that they have again used idols.

Jeremiah 19:15
Again with people using idols, This actually helps my side more than yours.

Jeremiah 23:12
The false prophets are being punished.

Amos 3:6
Translates to "When a trumpet sounds in a city, Do the people not tremble? When disaster comes to a city, Has not the Lord caused it? " Verse 14 it states "On the day I punish Israel for her sins"" showing that Israel has done terrible deeds again.

Deuteronomy 30:15
Verse 17 shows again with people using idols.

2 Kings 22:16
Even more use of idols.

2 Kings 22:20
It"s "disaster", Not "evil". And he is being merciful to his followers by sparing them of this disaster.

Judges 9:23
God creates strong hostility between Abimlek and Shechem. God was helping Shechem avenge a crime that Abimlek had committed.

2 Samuel 12:11-14
David has killed a woman"s husband and conceived with her. God is punishing David for his actions by killing the child he conceived against God"s law. The child will be taken into Heaven where it will live a better life than any of us can live on Earth. God is showing that he can take away something as quickly as he has given it, And that he is in control, So we need to respect him.

I would like to quote a few of the good things God has done:

Sending down his only son, Jesus, To die for everyone"s sins (John 3:16)
Creating the universe (Genesis 1:1)
Promising to come back and remake the Earth (Revelations 1:7)

Now, Let me ask you this:
If you don"t think God is real, Why even argue that he is evil?
Also, God created morals. If God isn"t real, Then where did right and wrong come from? If you say society, Then what if society said murder was good? Would you go out and murder?
Of course not. You"re taking someone"s life.
And the reason we can disobey God"s commandments without severe punishment like back then was because that was the LAW. God had told the Earth that he would punish them if they didn"t obey his commandments. After he sent his son, Jesus, Down to Earth as a man, And he died and rose again, We became free of sin as they
were all forgiven. Jesus took the punishment for us, Which was death (Romans 6:23).

This proves that God is in fact a loving God and we should all praise him for his good will.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

First, You cannot lecture me my boy especially when you do not know your terrorist religion all that well and you cannot even prove that your god exists.
Second, Do not tell me which translation I can and cannot use because you yourself do not know which is valid and which is not among the millions as there's over 33, 120 denominations of christianity alone in which, Yeah, You didn't even know about.
Third, Where and how do you get YOUR interpretations from? And let's tack this on. . . To make sure that YOUR translations for this debate are correct, In which they by no means are?
Forth, And this is the very best part. . . No stupid idiot god from any religion would be stupid enough, Unless you think its a stupid idiot in which you surely must, Would not for any reason, Not ever, Use text, Namely your idiot babbling baby brained big black bible as a form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence, The worst form possible of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence, The worst form possible TO A GOD. There are at least 50 reasons for this. Let's see if you are intelligent and educated enough to think of at least 3. Nah.
So in other words it really doesn't matter what translation I use. But oh yeah teeny bopper, It most certainly does matter which translation you use because there are translations out there that are abominations.

Now when a "god" says its evil. That pretty much summarizes it all and then you'd figure in your child like brain that you'd be able to surmise, Adapt, And go wah lah that it is evil. AND if you were to have actually read YOUR bible, In which case you clearly haven't, You'd be able to also figure out that the unproven printed storybook character egotistical god in it IS EVIL. This is not that hard to figure out.

Btw Exodus 32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. " You might want to recheck that.

I cannot continue with your mistranslations and misinterpretations.

Next time, If there is a next time, Please come up with something comprehensive.
GoldenFreddy83

Con

The fact that you are resorting to insults instead of actually citing evidence is, To me, Proof that you don't understand the way I'm trying to explain it.
I'm not going to call you names. (Luke 6:31)
I'm not going to insult you.
So here's what I'll do: I'll try to explain why I think God is real.
Firstly, We need to acknowledge the fact that everything has a cause. If a shopping mall was in your town, Would you say "Huh, Interesting how it got there all by itself. "? Of course not. Something had to make it.
Now think about how complex our universe and world is. Doesn't it seem like it would need to have a mind behind it? The odds are against two pieces of matter colliding together causing everything. And even if that were the case, Where would they come from? They would need to have come from somewhere. And that somewhere had to be created as well. So everything has to have a creator, So there has to be a single mind behind everything, And why couldn't that mind be God?
We all know the universe didn't just always exist. It had a beginning.
We also know that things don't change without a cause. So, Therefore, Nothing becoming something has to have a cause. And we know that nothing existed before the universe began, Therefore there needs to be an uncaused cause to begin the universe. That uncaused cause had to be an intelligence that exists outside of time and space with the ability to act because inanimate objects do not make decisions to begin to exist all by themselves. To me, This proves that something had to decide to create the universe.
Also, I don't think you addressed the points I made in my last argument. If there's time, Why don't you go back and address the points I made?
That's the whole point of a debate.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

When you so the utmost in unintelligence with an utter lack of an edumacation for the subject(s) the you claim to having knowledge upon and you really don't and yet you pretend that you do and since you don't you thus invent excuses for it and or flat out lie as you have clearly done, Then it is my right to humiliate, Degrade, Dehumanize you or walk away. This is taught in college. Because if you do that type of lard to your so-called genuine friends and loved ones, You will soon have no genuine friends and loved ones. Try it! And if you pull that kind of crap on your teachers = instant F every single time.

Oh don't you worry, I presented plenty of evidence in the previous RD. That's the problem with supposed so-called christians (there's no such thing as a christian) is you CAN'T READ. You presented guesswork at best.

Btw, It doesn't matter if you insult me or not. If I am in error, Then I deserve to be insulted. But I do something far far far different from you and your bankrupt playtoy DDO patrons. . . If I am going to enter ---any--- debate, I gather, Or already have, Something called "evidence" to fully support my claims, Whereas you have squat and guess at best.

"So here's what I'll do: I'll try to explain why I think God is real. " Doesn't matter. You can't. Nobody ---ever--- has in the entire existence of the human race proven ---any--- god from ---any--- religion. Your usage of the words "I think" automatically points out to show that you have no idea, And again you guess. You can't automatically say "POOF here's a god because I have nothing better in my brain. "

"Firstly, We need to acknowledge the fact that everything has a cause. " No "we" don't. Who is this "we" that you are referring to? Don't group the big black Cadillac of people within YOUR group of nymph hairs, K? "If a shopping mall was in your town, Would you say "Huh, Interesting how it got there all by itself. " ONLY IF, And its a very BIG IF I knew that it got there by itself. Otherwise I would not know that it got there POOF, Bang, Shazam!
"Now think about how complex our universe and world is. " Well you don't think so. You think everything can easily be thumbnailed by your god rather than coming to the correct conclusion in which any sane person would in simply saying "I don't know". "Doesn't it seem like it would need to have a mind behind it? " No it doesn't. Definitely 100% not. Your bible denies Mother Nature along with her interconnection with evolution which is proven fact btw and praises violence and hate in every single unimaginable way possible and your unproven god truly hates children and that just for starters.

"The odds are against two pieces of matter colliding together causing everything. " Perhaps it was billions or quadrillions. So? You say those magical words. . . "I---don't---know. " And you don't know. Nobody does. You don't invent some elaborate excuse just to satisfy your hungry beer belly needs. "And even if that were the case, Where would they come from? " Who knows, Man's exploration of the universe is so so so thin and slim. "They would need to have come from somewhere. " Perhaps right here on earth? You say "I don't know". "And that somewhere had to be created as well. " No it didn't. Don't flatly invent troublesome excuses. K? " So everything has to have a creator, " 100% no.
"So there has to be a single mind behind everything, " This shows that you do not have the ability to think, Reason, Rationalize, Use common sense or use logic. How on earth did you come up with that soggy muddy conclusion?
"And why couldn't that mind be God? " Everything you've stated doesn't prove anything was created and most certainly does not prove a god. Oh and btw, According to you. . . Which god? And why only one god? Why not thousands, Millions, Billions, Quadrillions?
"We all know the universe didn't just always exist. It had a beginning. " No "we" don't all know that. STOP IT WITH THIS S--T OF "WE". Its entirely you asking stupid moronic teeny bopper questions that have been answered billions of times by billions of people.
"We also know that things don't change without a cause. " Oh god stop with the f--king "we". Now for once I agree with you there and rock solid proof of that is with tonight's episode of PBS's Nova in which dealt with violence. Violence has gone way way wayyyyyyyy down from 10, 000 years ago. And within the program, It showed how violent your religion is within a matter of seconds, And it showed 2 very distinctive things and thus proved evolution. So watch the show rather than making ignorant points that you cannot under any circumstance back up.

"So, Therefore, Nothing becoming something has to have a cause. " Um no WRONG. You say "I don't know. " OK I'm done with your inventions from something in which case you clearly know nothing about and all you are doing is adding grease to the fire WHICH DOES NOT PROVE A GOD. "And we know that nothing existed before the universe began, " No wrong "we" do not know that. All you are doing is making assumptions without any basis to support your claims. Its time for me to watch a movie. Sheesh. "Assumption is the mother of all f--kups. " Under Seige 2 Dark Territory.
GoldenFreddy83

Con

Wow, Is it Round 3 already? This has been really fun. How was your movie?
Okay, Down to business. If you are incorrect, I do not have the right to insult you. That would make both you and me feel terrible, And it's just plain wrong. "If I am in error, Then I deserve to be insulted. " No, You don't. No one deserves to be insulted for being wrong. Let's say someone was asked a question up on stage on a game show, And they got it wrong. Does the announcer or a crew member have the right to laugh at them and call them names? No, Of course not. It"s flat out rude. (And "teeny bopper? " Really? What kind of insult is that? )
You also stated in your previous argument "If I am going to enter ---any--- debate, I gather, Or already have, Something called "evidence" to fully support my claims, Whereas you have squat and guess at best. " Okay, So if I have been guessing, Then how have I cited valid evidence and used logic to my advantage in this debate? And if you are going to say "the Bible isn"t valid evidence, " then why have you used it in your argument? It contradicts your own side.
"You can't. Nobody ---ever--- has in the entire existence of the human race proven ---any--- god from ---any--- religion. " That is correct. However, No one has ever disproven God, Either.
Then, Later you stated "And within the program, It showed how violent your religion is within a matter of seconds, And it showed 2 very distinctive things and thus proved evolution. " So what did it state?
"Bananas are yellow. The grass is green. Thusly, Evolution is real. "
And you talk about citing sources.
And I never said evolution isn"t real. There are Christians (such as myself) and Catholics who believe in evolution. I just don"t think humans were among the creatures that evolved. We were created in God"s own image, And he loves us because we are his creation. And how does evolution help you in your argument whatsoever? This debate has gone way off topic, Which is why I"ll be steering it back to the original topic.
Points that I can under no circumstance back up? Look, If you"ve been keeping up with your own debate, You"ll find that I have provided a ton of evidence that is valid in my side of the argument. Most of it has been explaining why the verses you used are either out of context or mistranslated (again, I speak of the KJV. ) This is the point of a debate, To help the other person see your side while simultaneously explaining why their side is either not as good as yours, Or coming to a consensus, Or agreement over an issue. If we have to agree to disagree, Then so be it.
Now, Back to the original topic of this debate, Which was about whether or not God is evil. You did in fact state in your previous argument that God hates children.
Matthew 19:14 NIV states "Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, And do not hinder them, For the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these. "" God loves children and everyone alike, Even those who do not believe in him. And it is never too late for anyone to accept him into their hearts. God has already forgiven everyone"s sins, Including mine and every other Christians. I"m not saying Christians never do anything wrong. We screw up every day, Just like any other person. We"re all only human, After all. The only person to have walked this earth and led a sinless life was Jesus, The son of God, Who was fully man and fully God. (yes, I know it"s confusing. )
I have a few other examples of wonderful things God has done.
1. Helping David defeat Goliath with a stone (1 Samuel 17:40-50)
2. Leading the Israelites out of Egypt and away from the evil Pharaoh's rule (Exodus 14)
3. Keeping the Israelites safe from the plagues he cast upon the Egyptians that were using them as slaves (Exodus Chapters 3-12)
These are all examples of why God is not evil and is in fact a merciful, Kind, And caring God.
There are plenty more I will provide in Round 4.
Debate Round No. 3
backwardseden

Pro

I have decided to enter the final RD in spite of the fact that you really don't deserve it and in spite of the fact that I said I wouldn't which is a rarity because of your childish innocence which is compelling.
Its NOT "my" movie. But it is Bong Joon Ho's movie, The second greatest filmmaker's film. And its a masterpiece that should be seen by everyone except for children. Dr. Sleep is also very good in spite of a little bit too much of supernatural elements in which got boring after a while.
Nevertheless its a great year for film. Its also a great year for music. Years don't happen like this - ever.

OK onto the matter at hand.
Yes, You do deserve to be insulted for being wrong because you shouldn't have made the mistake in the first place. You should have had the evidence necessary to carry on with a correct and proper debate rather than trying to bluff your way through it and assuming that I would or anyone would agree with you and you false inaccurate misinterpretations. Who wants to hang around with someone like that? NO ONE. They will get up and leave every single time OR they will insult you OR if they are your teachers, Its an instant F.
Teeny bopper happens to be the lingo I use for someone of your age who thinks they know everything to someone in which they obviously know nothing about and yet they pretend that they do and because they don't they have to invent excuses for it and or flat out lie.

"Then how have I cited valid evidence and used logic to my advantage in this debate? " You haven't. You cannot even take your bible at it very simple word. You have to go out of your way to chage its context to make it fit with what YOU want it to to what suits YOUR wants needs and desires. But don't worry, That's what ALL supposed christians do. After all, YOU have to completely bury YOUR unproven god's complete and total horrifying immorality the way he spat on the human race and murdered innocent babies, Children and pregnant mothers (abortions committed by your unproven god in your bible). But sadly, YOU do not do a very good job at it.

HELL NO the bible isn't valid evidence. How can it be? There's over 1, 000 different supermassive hypocritical contradictions and inconsistencies, There's copies upon copies upon copies upon translations upon translations upon translations upon translations upon dead languages upon dead languages upon dead languages that die off with absolutely no possible way to trace it back to the original. And even if you could, Who's going to interpret it so that EVERYBODY on the planet gets the same---exact---message? That's virtually an impossibility simply because of language barriers and update barriers because language does change dramatically over time. The the the is going to mean something completely and totally different in another language and may mean something completely different 500 years from now. And suppose the interpreter makes mistakes in which he or she inevitably will? What then? How many more millions are going to misinterpret? You have another problem that's even worse. If you compare translations, Yeah there's differences that even the messages are completely different. Here"s a few examples"
* In the Bishop"s bible, The one before the KJV, The word "Tyrant" was used I don"t know how many times (its at least 400 from what completed records show) and then in the KJV that was replaced by "King". WHAT? Tyrant and King are two different and totally apples and oranges with each having totally different meanings.
* In Isaiah 45:7 KJV "I form the light, And create darkness: I make peace, And create evil: I the Lord do all these things. " In the NIV version, Its "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, The Lord, Do all these things. " In the NLT its "I create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, The Lord, Am the one who does these things. The words "evil" and "disaster" and "bad" are 3 completely different words that have 0% of nothing to do with each other and completely change the meaning of the verses. With each different verse, The messages are completely different. The synonyms of each word don"t even match.
Now which version is correct if any that millions are reading? And doesn"t any thinking moron not know that no god would allow this kind of crap to not allow any kind of passing the grade and thus no god, Not for any reason among many reasons, Would never even contemplate using text as a form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence TO ANY god? The bible in no possible way is any kind of evidence. Not ever.

Nobody ---ever--- has in the entire existence of the human race proven ---any--- god from ---any--- religion. " That is correct. However, No one has ever disproven God, Either.
Yeah "we" have. Because which god? The bible in which has just been falsified in the only connection anyone has with this supposed god. And it it there is 0% of nothing that describes this god of who it is, What does it look like etc? Sure it gives a longgggg list of its laws rules and regulations. So what? There's nothing on who it is. So how can anyone fowllow this "something" if its laws rules and regulations are the exact same as every other religion because there's no difference from right to left or up from down, North from south, East from west, And yeah your christian religion in many ways was plagiarized, The idea of "one", Noah;s flood, The "son" being tortured, You can easily look these things up and find these things out for yourself. That's another debate entirely.

Watch the program if you want to find out. Nah I'll spill the beans. . . Violence has gone down dramatically from roughly 10, 000 years ago. Back then murder took place roughly 1 in 1, 000. Today its roughly 1 in 1 million. That's due to government, Equality and evolution. That slide has nothing to do with your unproven god. The shows talked about evolution and man's skulls. They are vastly different from 10, 000 years ago. You are one of the very select few who incorporates christianity with evolution. But its an impossibility because genesis denies evolution. Genesis is really quite silly actually as its backwards. Here's just a few MAJOR stumbling blocks. Taken from The Secular Web. . .
GE 1:3-5, 14-19 There was light ("night and day") before there was a sun. (Note: If there were no sun, There would be no night or day. Also, Light from the newly created heavenly bodies seems to have reached the earth instantaneously though it now takes thousands or millions of years. )
GE 1:12, And 16 Plants began to grow before there was sunlight.
GE 3:1-5 The serpent speaks human language (presumably Hebrew).
Now you were asking about how the bible is not evidence, Well that's some of it, Here's a lot more. . .
GE 2:15-23, And 3:1-5, And 1TI 2:14 Eve was created after Adam had already been given the prohibition about eating the forbidden fruit. Eve believed the serpent (the craftiest of all of God's wild creatures) when he assured her that she would become wise and would not die if she ate the fruit. Eve has been blamed for causing Adam to fall, And ultimately for the fall of mankind. (Note: Prior to eating the forbidden fruit, Adam and Eve would have had no knowledge of right and wrong; they would not have known that it was a sin to disobey God or to obey the serpent. After they ate the forbidden fruit, God placed a guard around the "Tree of Eternal Life" to keep them from eating its fruit. He could have done the same for the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" before Adam and Eve disobeyed. In addition, Even though the prohibition regarding the forbidden fruit was made to Adam before Eve came on the scene, Eve has been blamed for the Fall; 1TI 2:14 says: ". . . Adam was not deceived, But the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. ")
GE 6:5 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to flood the earth to eliminate mankind. All living things including plants, Animals, Women and innocent children are also exterminated. (Note: This is like burning down a house to rid it of mice. )
GE 6:15 The size of Noah's Ark was such that there would be about one and a half cubic feet for each pair of the 2 million to 5 million species to be taken aboard.
GE 7:17-19 The flood covered the entire earth at the same time. (Note: There is no evidence of a worldwide flood, But rather of many, Widespread, But local floods. )
Do you really want more? There's TONS of it.

Actually I have veered off the subject you are correct. Oh whoopsi, I see that you mentioned that you want to get into "god hates children. " Bad idea.
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=2zYG_fJLjBg&t=15s%A0 - god hates children
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=5kQTIX7NRE4 - Atheist debates get em while they"re young
LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, HS 13:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21, JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23 (btw with this one some of them are from your lovely NT so you have no excuses)
I see for that really sick and disgusting verse, CHILDREN should come to this unproven god that they have no idea exists? Why doesn't this unproven god go to children? ESPECIALLY if they are suffering by daddy who is sticking his you know what inside on them age 4 while punching them in the face and does for 13 years sometimes twice per week until she runs away and that's only the start of her horrors? See, This unproven god gives the power according to you for daddy to commit these crimes while the kid suffers. Now here's something NOBODY can answer. What can children possibly learn from suffering? If you've answered "nothing", You've answered correctly.

I'm out of space.
GoldenFreddy83

Con

Here we go. The final round. I"m glad you enjoyed the movie. I agree, This year has been a great year for the arts. Okay, Time to get serious.
Your rebuttal for my evidence is very flawed. "assuming that I would or ANYONE would agree with you and you false inaccurate misinterpretations. " Have you been reading the comments section? I cannot find a single comment that doesn"t agree with my side. And no, I haven"t invented excuses. I have used valid resources such as the Bible, Which actually has info on the matter, Rather than doing a Google search and then clicking on the first result. And being a hypocrite won"t get you anywhere in this debate. Saying I can"t use logic is very ironic when you look at some of the stuff you yourself have written. And yes, Some of it has actually been very well written, But the much of it has been written out of emotion rather than fact.
Your final argument about the abusive father? I agree that there is some twisted stuff in this world, And it saddens me that it will continue until Christ returns. And you say that a child can learn nothing from suffering. Let"s be clear: life is mostly suffering. It"s how we live it that counts. Also, People DO learn from suffering. Let"s say a child touches a hot stove. They are burned, But they know not to touch the stove anymore. Everyone learns from suffering in one way or another. I think suffering exists because of free will, Or choice. Where there are good choices, There will always be bad choices. There will always be good and bad choices in life. Another reason God allows suffering is to allow us to share our story with others who might need it. There will always be more evil in the world, But we can combat it by helping others who need it, And being kind to everyone, Rather than insulting them for being wrong about something, Especially if they weren"t even wrong about it (hint, Hint).
Your statement about the Bible being invalid evidence is again, Very self-contradictory. How do you know the version YOU are using isn"t mistranslated?
I never said God had anything to do with violence going down. Or up, For that matter. And there is a reason for God communicating through the Bible. He had followers make historical documentation of these events and he told them what to write. This is literally a collection of history written by God and some of his closest followers. And those skulls you were talking about?
Why couldn"t they just be a group of people who had different head shapes than us? We see it all the time today.
Also, I"m pretty sure the meaning of "tyrant" at that time was actually "king. "
God can do anything, Thusly, Light could exist before the sun.
The light also helped the plants grow. Have you ever tried growing plants with a light other than sunlight? It works exactly the same.
The serpent was Lucifer, Or Satan (the devil) in disguise. Lucifer is a fallen angel. He was so jealous that he tried to overthrow God. He was cast down out of Heaven.
Also, God LITERALLY TOLD ADAM AND EVE NOT TO EAT FROM THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. Thusly, Adam and Eve knew not to disobey their creator. Satan tricked them into it. There would be right and wrong because Satan existed on Earth, Deceiving Eve and sending sin out into the world for the rest of time.
God was fed up with the evil in the world. He was actually disappointed that he even made people because of how awful they were acting. And it"s his creation in the first place. He can do what he wants to it. And the rainbow when the flood disappeared was a promise from God to never flood the entire world again.
The reason there is no evidence of this is because millenniums and millenniums have gone by with tons of different weather patterns. Thusly, Any evidence would have been eradicated.
Now this is the part where I explain why the verses you cite are not valid (oh man, Here we go again).
LM4 is about God being angry with his creation for their evil ways. He also is showing mercy by sword, As it is quicker and less painful than starvation.
MT10:37 is showing that we should love God more than anything.
I don"t know why you included MT2:16. Did you just Google "bible killing verses" and write down random selections? This verse isn"t about God, It"s about Herod, An evil king.
JG21:10 is about how an army is going to kill women who have been unfaithful to God by doing some, Er, STUFF with men they were not married to.
NU31:17-18 is about Israel sinning against God, And the mothers doing it before their children and then birthing them and leading them down the same paths.
LV26:21-22 is God warning the people against disobeying Him.
HS13:16 is another one that I don"t understand why you included. It"s about sacrificing your time for others.
EZ9:5-7 is let again about the people disobeying God and being punished. The ones who are marked are the followers and should be spared.
HS9:11-16 is an example of one that has no significance to your side. It"s about how there is no need to sacrifice any more animals to God, As he has sacrificed himself for us (Jesus" crucifixion).
EX12:29-30 is about the Egyptians who were using the Israelites as slaves. God had warned Egypt to let them go, But the Egyptians would not listen. Now they would be punished.
IS13:15-18 is about God getting rid of those who disobeyed him, Yet again (what is it with you and giving these verses about those who disobey God getting punished? )
MT2:16: Why did you cite this one a second time?
EX21:17: "Honor your mother and father" was one of God"s commandments.
LV20:9 is literally the same as EX21:17.
MK7:10 is the same as the last two (why do you keep using the same context? )
MT15:4: I have no idea why you included this one. There"s no point whatsoever (Ever hear of the expression "blind leading the blind? ").
MT10:21: Describes the sin in the world.
JG11:30-33 shows how the sons of Ammon, People who disobeyed God, Were punished.
PS137:8-9 is again describing punishment.
DT21:18-21 is again with "honor your mother and father. "
DT32:25 is again about punishment (wow, Who knew there were so many of these? ).
DT2:32-34 is about punishment (this is crazy! There are so many of these that it is blowing my mind).
DT3:3-6: more punishment (okay, I"m actually impressed at how many times these are in the Bible).
JG19:24-29 is about showing Israel how disgusting their actions are (this one did take me a while to interpret).
EX12:29: why do you keep repeating verses?
LV26:29: even more punishment.
JM11:22-23: literally states that this is about punishment yet again.
JM19:7-9 is about consequences (I was getting tired of saying "punishment" over and over).
JM51:22-26 is about consequences yet again.
LM2:20-22 is still about punishment.
RV2:18-23 is about punishment again.
Overall, That took me about half an hour to interpret. You basically put down random verses about death without checking the context, Like in your first argument.
Now, Allow me to provide a list of verses of just a few of the wonderful things God has done and said (some of these are from previous posts, But I didn"t really elaborate on them).
JN3:16, MK14, 15, 16, LK6:6-10, LK6:20-23, LK7:48, LK8:25, HB8:8-12, RV4:11, RV20:1-3
There are many more examples of fantastic thing the Lord has done, Too many to put down. God is continuing his work in his creation to this day, And should be glorified because of how kind and merciful he is.
I hope we will be able to debate again in the future.
Thank you for your time.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by GoldenFreddy83 2 years ago
GoldenFreddy83
I hope maybe I'll get to debate backwardseden again at some point.
Posted by GoldenFreddy83 2 years ago
GoldenFreddy83
This has been really fun, Actually. I enjoy debating these kinds of topics.
Posted by IsaiahWood 2 years ago
IsaiahWood
In backwardness first comment, I realized something, . . . He right. Scripture is black and white. Do not murder, Have no other gods before me, Do not commit homosexuality, Its encouraging that a preschooler can understand the bible, Scripture was meant to be simple so Everyone can know what it means. And whats ironic about that is how much people criticize the bible about how dumb it it, When its easy and simple, Yet people do not see the truth in it, Acknowledging that there is truth in it. Its why i believe it,
Read proverbs 14 the chapter, Obey that and you will be one of the most successful people on the planet in every way, And all it does is tell you what to do, And not what to do, Its simple :)
Posted by Knight_Dragon 2 years ago
Knight_Dragon
@backwardseden
For Isaiah 45:7, It can mean calamity, Basing on the Hebrew. Also, Exodus 31:15 is done away with by Jesus, And don't Matthew 5:18 me on that. Also, 1 Corinthians 14 is Paul quoting something that the Corinthians originally said to him, Which he then refutes. And, 1 Timothy 2 is Paul responding to a heresy. I think you're forgetting "Thou shall not murder", And the Bible passages that you just citing are either out of context or you having a poor understanding over. Stoning gays was done away with. Can you not understand that?
Posted by mk6520 2 years ago
mk6520
@back
God created Free Will, Therefore he created evil in a way, Because Free will means that we are able to choose what we want to do, To choose to do good or choose to do bad. Just because God created free will that doesnt mean he is evil. God doesnt want us to be mindless robots, He wants us to have a brain to think for ourselves and the only way to do that is for free will to exist. Also the consequence of sin is death. So the people that have been killed by God received a punishment as without punishment society wouldnt listen and do good, Just like how there is a punishment for murdering people.
Posted by Knight_Dragon 2 years ago
Knight_Dragon
@Anonymous03
Yep. He will just declare victory no matter what the evidence says.
Posted by Anonymous03 2 years ago
Anonymous03
lol backwardseden doesn't want to debate ppl that can beat him
Posted by Knight_Dragon 2 years ago
Knight_Dragon
@backwardseden
Why can't I debate you? Scary?
1 votes has been placed for this debate.
Vote Placed by Leaning 2 years ago
Leaning
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Reasons for voting decision: Before the debate and after, I don't really have a strong opinion about the nature of the Christian deity. Con, Cleary had better conduct from my point of view, was a respectful person and refrained from insults, unlike Pro. Despite lines such as "When you so the utmost in unintelligence with an utter lack of an edumacation" by Pro, I'm just going to skip over spelling and grammar, as it might have been intentional, and was still understandable. Con made better arguments, I think, as he pointed out nuances and historical contexts in the Bible. Pro mostly went off topic. He did argue some about the supposed evilness of the Christian deity, but it was hard to follow, hurting how convincing it might have been. Hard to follow because much of it seemed to be seething with insults, crude assertations, ignoring other explanations, writing style, and so on. Both sides used sources.

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