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Is Bernie Sander's brand of "Democratic Socialism" just ordinary socialism?

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Started: 2/27/2020 Category: Politics
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fauxlaw

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Is there a difference between Bernie Sander’s brand of “Democratic Socialism” and ordinary socialism? By one definition, Ordinary socialism is simply the theory of a social organization under a social contract. However, This definition is so open-ended, It just as easily could define the Public Library Board of any locale from Bagdad, CA [if they have a library] to New York City [the library with the lions]. Not to mention that, According to the OED [Oxford English Dictionary], That definition is obsolete. Replacing it is: “Socialism: A theory or system of a social organization based on state or collective ownership and regulation of the means of production, Distribution, And exchange for the common benefit of all members of society. ”


It is fitting, Therefore, To also define “Democracy, ” the root of “Democratic” since the latter merely refers to the practice of the former. Again, According to the OED: “Democracy: Government by the people; esp. A system of government in which all the people of a state or polity are involved in making decisions about its affairs, Typically by voting to elect representative to a parliament or similar assembly. ”


On the surface, The definitions of “Democratic Socialism: and “Socialism” appear in symmetry, Particularly since “Democracy” does not speak at all to ownership of anything.


One might conclude, Therefore, That the answer to the question above is a resounding “No. ” End of debate?


No, Because merely by defining a system is no assurance that the system is operated as defined. Moreover, Mr. Sanders draws a distinct difference, Himself, Between to two terms, But does a poor job of telling us why.


I might propose that he does so to make Democratic Socialism more palatable then ordinary Socialism; however, Not really knowing Mr. Sanders’ motivation, I cannot justify the claim.


I can claim, However, That, Under the qualification given, That definition does not necessarily equate to practice, The two terms are not distinguishable but by name. Is that sufficient? Look at it this way: if I say that the distance between Bagdad, CA [it’s in the Mojave Dessert of Southern California] and New York City is a few miles, “few” becomes an operative word that stretches the imagination. So, Does dangling “Democratic” in from of “Socialism” and insisting there’s a difference really mean there’s a difference?


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Posted by Phil-E-CheeseSteak 1 year ago
Phil-E-CheeseSteak
Bernie isn't a socialist, I don't know why he calls himself one, Pretty much all his plans and all the countries he points to are social democratic ones. Social Democracies are literally capitalist systems, Just one's that integrate state regulation to make up for any market failures. Socialism is defined by 2 factors, A change in the means of production (the transfer of capital from the owners to the workers) and a change in the mode of production (moving from a profit based system to a use-value based one).
Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
Hey you, Yeah you, The idiot supposed christian who created this idiot debate. So what if Sanders is a socialist OR a democratic socialist? Either way, He's clearly the best candidate and your hero, Your icon of spoonful of testicle larvae Justin Beiber carrot top love songs for useless meandering nothings, YEAH YOU who sits up there with his coffee chunking it down with the right sip of gasoline, You sit up there so proud with your Donald life raft anal converter robot mouth Trump, Easily the worst president of all time, No question, Favoring the upper class rich wimps who could never know what it is like to scrap for a single penny.

What have you offered as far as suffering is concerned? Your brain that you hold oh so high on a meathook apparatus on display to the entire world, Could never jump in with those who have to slender their by inches every 2 months just so they can feed their kids, Pay their rent and medical bills, Ah yes, That's poison to a beefy Johnny Prasom like you, You could never give up your guitars.

Wanna know why routinely European countries constantly rank as the happiest countries on the planet and the U. S. A. Has not even cracked the top 15 within the past 15 years? So yeah, Sanders's policies, Even though they are not his, Would certainly be a welcomed change. You really think Donald booby doll heat insulated con-dumb Trump, Is easily the worst president of all time. That thing's mere demeanor p**ses people off. The economy is doing well. That's NOT Trump's doing. The economy has been growing for 127 months straight. Google it. Nah.
Also google "President Trump made 16, 241 false or misleading claims in his first three years" Indeed, The Washington Post knows better than YOU. Yep this is cow chirp roach meat who you've sent to the big white barn and who you support and why this country is miserable. YOU support an arrogant m. F. A$$.
Posted by Leaning 1 year ago
Leaning
Interesting debate subject, Also relevant.
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