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backwardseden
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Kirii
Con (against)

Its time to put ALL guns down and believe in peace! No one needs a gun. Not ever. Not for any reason

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Started: 2/6/2020 Category: Education
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backwardseden

Pro

There can be no worldwide peace with guns and weapons of superior firepower in it.

Guns have absolutely no use except to maim, Kill, Cause pain, Splatter guts, And cause horrific grief.

Its time to do the right and the correct and only thing to do which is to put guns down forever. This includes ---everybody--- all at once, For ---everybody--- to put down their guns and take a step back and believe in peace and not violence and hate in which ALL guns are.

Guns are NOT weapons of peace.

Guns are weapons of hate, Violence, Bloodshed, War, Pain, Destruction, Murder, Grief, Horror, Suffering etc.

There is nothing good about guns. Nothing.

Give 3 examples in each of the 5 rounds why a gun is needed. AND EXPLAIN to---the---letter why a gun is needed?

Be Clear, Concise, And accurate.

No one under the age of 20 will be allowed to accept this debate. Why? These are ADULT issues. For those in your teens, You do not have the ability in any possible way to grasp the damage, The psychological terror of what guns are UNLESS (let me repeat) UNLESS you've experienced first hand what guns have done unto you or can do in which case you would take the Pro side especially if you've seen guts spilled out from your best friend or a loved one.
Btw, Don't be stupid and pretend you are someone you are not. People who lie, Cheat and steal are very easily found out. Not a good idea.

Oh and btw, Do not be an atom as compared to the big bang and use an old, Outdated CDC completely debunked in several different ways CDC report on guns because this would only show how utterly stupid, Unintelligent, Uneducated you are and what you have also done is in no proper way done any research whatsoever. So you will have automatically forfeited this debate.

Dsjpk5 is disqualified from the voting procedures as he tries to pretend he's god and thus change the voting structure of who wins and loses here on DDO.
Kirii

Con

Ok I originally was not going to start a debate on this topic, However I found one of the things you said very interesting. . .
You stated that "No one under the age of 20 will be allowed to accept this debate" because these are "adult issues". But these issues also affect all teens in the future, So I believe it unfair to keep the youth from discussing a topic that will affect them in the future.

I don't need experience with being an adult to know how gun reform works, Or the implications of it, Do you need to be a movie critic in order to have an opinion on a movie? Do you need to be a lawyer to know the law?

Now back to the discussion on gun control, In your original statement you make a lot of appeals to emotion in your arguments, Stating that guns cause "violence, Bloodshed, Pain, Etc. " but you haven't considered the amount of lives that guns have saved. Responsible citizens with guns are able to defend themselves from criminals who also have firearms as well. Criminals don't follow the law, And your premise of everyone "putting guns down forever" is idealistic and unachievable. If this happens, Criminals will be the only ones with firearms, And they will be able to prey on the unarmed mass population because they aren't bound to the law like we are.

You also seem to make the gun problem a superbly more horrid problem than it actually is, For instance, Alcohol claims more lives every single year than gun deaths do in a year. About 88, 000 people die from alcohol related causes every year, Which is way more than the 30, 000 or so who die from gun related causes every year, And most of those are suicides as well, Making this more of a mental health issue than a gun issue. Guns are only the means to an end, And substances like alcohol and opiods are more dangerous to our society than guns are. Roughly 450, 000 people died from drug substance abuse in 2015 according to the World Health Organization which is a dramatic number compared to the amount of gun deaths.

Furthermore, You state that the CDC statistics are outdated and debunked "in several different ways" but you don't state how they are disproven, Who disproved them, Their qualifications, When this was disproven, And there are several other problems in your original statement, Not mentioning the blatant ad hominems and idealistic views on gun reform.

All in all, I'm looking forward to trying to help you see that guns are weapons, Yes, But they are used for good, Have benevolent purposes, And aren't just for killing, They can also be used for recreational purposes like hunting, And target practice.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

See, As with all "the teens" and guns, You don't bring up an argument that is valid. I really should bite your fricken head off because you obviously did not think for a single moment thought about what you said. Not for one single moment.
"But these issues also affect all teens in the future, " Are you able to pass laws, ANY KIND OF LAWS? No. You are not. So no, These issues DO NOT affect all teens in the future.
Are you going to tell your parents, And make damn sure every single night that they keep their guns are forever locked and to never be used under any and all circumstances so that you nor anybody else can get at them, And or better yet that they as parents and or any adult make absolutely no gun purchases and have absolutely no guns in their homes whatsoever for all time? Then no these issues DO NOT affect all teens in the future because parents and adults are going to do what the hell ever they want to anyway and not pay ---any--- attention to you anyway. 100% proof of that was the march on Washington with over 1 million, Remember that? And the worst president of all time, Namely Donald coughed upped diseased particles from his snadpapered a$$ to his toiletry brain Trump, Did absolutely nothing about it, And never will because it supports a useless document which grants nobody anything, Namely the 2nd amendment.

"I don't need experience with being an adult to know how gun reform works, Or the implications of it, " Yeah, Yah do. Don't be a f--king smarta$$ until you see your best friends guts spilling out right in front of you, You total piece of s--t who thinks he/ she is so god damned smart but has the yodeling Buddhist monk intelligence, Obviously, Of a rat mangled in a battery powered easy bake portable oven.
"Do you need to be a movie critic in order to have an opinion on a movie? Do you need to be a lawyer to know the law? " This is why you are a teeny bopper who clearly cannot think for himself/ herself, Rationalize, Reason, Use common sense, Use logic. Are they used as weapons? Why NO LE POOF so your point falls like a dud.

"but you haven't considered the amount of lives that guns have saved. Responsible citizens with guns are able to defend themselves from criminals who also have firearms as well. " Really? And exactly who would that be?
"Criminals don't follow the law, . . . Do so, E actual research and then come on back and give me and any f--king someone else who HAS DONE some research rather than making things up as he/ she goes might be a teeny tiny bit of help. Now think about this teeny bopper because I'm going to squash you and you deserve it. . . Suppose there's a home invasion you have to take out your gun, Point, Aim, Probably miss, AND shoot something and or someone, Probably yourself before shooting your intended victim. Here's something else that your radioactive brain hasn't figured out. . . USE SOMETHING ELSE other than a gun.
Here's a lot more. . .
* https://www. Thetrace. Org/2016/09/harvard-gun-ownership-study-self-defense/ "Fear of Other People Is Now the Primary Motivation for American Gun Ownership, A Landmark Survey Finds"
Studies have found that people who live in homes with handguns are twice as likely to take their life compared to those who live in homes with other types of firearms, Such as shotguns and rifles. (Seniors are the population at the highest risk of using a handgun in a fatal suicide attempt. )
Domestic violence victims are five times more likely to be killed if their abuser has access to a gun, Research shows.
The Harvard/Northeastern survey shows a slight increase in the number of gun-owning women " a group that now makes up 12 percent of all gun owners. But while nearly 70 percent of women cited self protection as one of the primary motivations for owning a gun, Past studies show that a gun in the home is statistically more likely to be used to harm a woman than to help one.
"Our survey suggests that many more people believe guns in their home make them safer, When in fact, Epidemiological research suggests precisely the opposite, " Deb Azrael says.

* "Living in a house with a gun increases your odds of death"
Guns can kill you in three ways: homicide, Suicide, And by accident. Owning a gun or having one readily accessible makes all three more likely. One meta-analysis "found strong evidence for increased odds of suicide among persons with access to firearms compared with those without access and moderate evidence for an attenuated increased odds of homicide victimization when persons with and without access to firearms were compared. " The latter finding is stronger for women, A reminder that guns are also a risk factor for domestic violence.
The same thing is true for accidents. States with more guns see more accidental deaths from firearms, And children ages 5 to 14 are 11 times more likely to be killed with a gun in the US compared to other developed countries, Where gun ownership is much less common. About half of gun accident fatalities happen to people under 25, And some recent analyses suggest that the official count of gun accident deaths among children is understated.
"When 34 injury prevention experts were asked to prioritize home injury hazards for young children, Based on frequency, Severity, And preventability of the injury, The experts rated access to firearms in the home as the most significant hazard, " Harvard gun expert David Hemenway writes. The American Academy of Pediatrics has stated that "the absence of guns from children"s homes and communities is the most reliable and effective measure to prevent firearm-related injuries in children and adolescents. "

"And your premise of everyone "putting guns down forever" is idealistic and unachievable. " Well then people like you who control violence and welcome it into your hearts and completely 100% turned your back on even the slightest concept of worldwide peace and for you, It is 100% unwelcomed and absolutely unachievable.
"If this happens, Criminals will be the only ones with firearms, And they will be able to prey on the unarmed mass population because they aren't bound to the law like we are. " Gandhi, Nelson Mandela and other great peacekeepers put all of their guns DOWN. You don't know this. . . PBS's Nova which knows one helluva lot better than you did an episode on violence recently. It's probably still available on their website for viewing if you want to watch it. Nah. 10, 000 years ago 1 in every 5, 000 persons were murdered. Today it's one in every million. Why? Because of government and equality. Also evolution. Man's skulls have changed and thus so have serotonin levels. It's dropped dramatically. Man has realized that violence is not a necessity in order to maintain civilization. Clearly you do.

"Alcohol claims more lives every single year than gun deaths do in a year. " There you go again using stip[id idiotic mundane moronic jesus jujitsu barfing insect la la bore granny farts that are not relevant. Is alcohol used as a weapon? Oh I get it, YOU are going to go around your block and thus spray it with ALCOHOL and thus light it with a blowtorch - right? You are such a genie-us. Kisy kissy poo poo?
I get it also because you mention gun deaths per year NOTHING should be done about guns. OK we're done. Bye.
Kirii

Con

I knew what I was getting myself into when I accepted this debate, But I never expected it to be as much of a mess as this is, I'll try to answer your points as accurately as I can.
"Are you able to pass laws, ANY KIND OF LAWS? No. You are not. So no, These issues DO NOT affect all teens in the future. "
First off, Yes, These issues do affect all teens in the future, You state that since teens cannot pass any laws, These issues don't affect us at all, Which is completely absurd. Take this for an example, If a lawmaker makes a law that all teens must wear the color red for the rest of their lives, By your logic, It doesn't affect any teens at all because they didn't make the law that they must wear red, Therefore they are unaffected by that law. Your logic doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

"Don't be a f--king smarta$$ until you see your best friends guts spilling out right in front of you"
Actually, This notion that I need to see or experience some kind of gun violence in order to have an opinion on gun violence is quite absurd. Allow me to demonstrate how absurd it truly is, For example you stated originally that you want everyone in the entire world to abandon guns, However, I don't think you have any experience being a world leader, Therefore, You're not allowed to state your opinion on what the world should do with their guns.
See how absurd that was? It's just used as a weapon to discredit and silence people who have valid opinions.

"Suppose there's a home invasion you have to take out your gun, Point, Aim, Probably miss, AND shoot something and or someone, Probably yourself before shooting your intended victim. Here's something else that your radioactive brain hasn't figured out. . . USE SOMETHING ELSE other than a gun. "
Nice hypothetical scenario. . However, A trained gun owner is unlikely to miss at point blank, And you've clearly glanced over the fact that even though you may not be using a gun, Your assailant definitely will. Do you think the criminal cares that you have chosen to give up on guns? He'll point a gun at your head, And you can do nothing about it, Because you have no guns, And in your idealistic society, Everyone has given up guns, Leaving the population defenseless at the hands of armed criminals. Yeah, Your mace spray vs an armed assailant with a firearm to your head, I wonder who wins in the end. . .

" https://www. Thetrace. Org/2016/09/harvard-gun-ownership-study-self-defense/ "Fear of Other People Is Now the Primary Motivation for American Gun Ownership, A Landmark Survey Finds"
Studies have found that people who live in homes with handguns are twice as likely to take their life compared to those who live in homes with other types of firearms, Such as shotguns and rifles. (Seniors are the population at the highest risk of using a handgun in a fatal suicide attempt. )"

How does this prove that guns should be eliminated? All this proves is that handguns are used more in suicides than shotguns or rifles, You're actually showing me that shotguns and rifles are less dangerous than small firearms, Which goes against your point that ALL firearms are equally dangerous. Additionally, I took a look at the link and the literal first sentence is "Amid a historic plunge in the national violent crime rate, More Americans than ever are arming themselves to protect against attack by other people, A new survey of U. S. Gun ownership by researchers at Harvard and Northeastern universities reveals. "
Wait, Historic plunge, In the national violent crime rate? At the same time that more Americans are starting to stock up on guns? Thanks for providing me with this link, Because you've unintentionally proved that as more Americans became lawful gun owners, The crime rate in the nation decreased, Henceforth proving that more guns equals less crime. Nice work getting the link that literally proves my point.

"Domestic violence victims are five times more likely to be killed if their abuser has access to a gun, Research shows.
The Harvard/Northeastern survey shows a slight increase in the number of gun-owning women " a group that now makes up 12 percent of all gun owners. But while nearly 70 percent of women cited self protection as one of the primary motivations for owning a gun, Past studies show that a gun in the home is statistically more likely to be used to harm a woman than to help one. "
Last time I checked, Abusers aren't lawful citizens, These are criminals that haven't been caught yet, And you're going to be taking guns away from people who actually need it to protect themselves from criminals like these abusers? And that last sentence, This doesn't mean that a woman is completely unprotected OUTSIDE of her home, Which you have failed to prove that women are less safe with a gun in their possession outside of their house. I am willing to bet that they are actually way safer outside of their home with a gun than without one.

"Living in a house with a gun increases your odds of death"
Guns can kill you in three ways: homicide, Suicide, And by accident. Owning a gun or having one readily accessible makes all three more likely. One meta-analysis "found strong evidence for increased odds of suicide among persons with access to firearms compared with those without access and moderate evidence for an attenuated increased odds of homicide victimization when persons with and without access to firearms were compared. " The latter finding is stronger for women, A reminder that guns are also a risk factor for domestic violence. "
I guess you forgot the fact that this is more of a mental health issue than a gun issue, When you take away the guns from these people (who by the way, Are not emotionally stable) they have other means of killing themselves, Such as stabbing, Poisoning, Bludgeoning, Choking, Drowning, Falling, Overdose, Car accidents, Hanging, And many other methods of taking their own lives. Taking away a gun is not going to stop someone from trying to kill themselves, You need to address the issue of WHY they want to kill themselves, This is a mental health issue, Not a gun issue.

"The same thing is true for accidents. States with more guns see more accidental deaths from firearms, And children ages 5 to 14 are 11 times more likely to be killed with a gun in the US compared to other developed countries, Where gun ownership is much less common. About half of gun accident fatalities happen to people under 25, And some recent analyses suggest that the official count of gun accident deaths among children is understated.
"When 34 injury prevention experts were asked to prioritize home injury hazards for young children, Based on frequency, Severity, And preventability of the injury, The experts rated access to firearms in the home as the most significant hazard, " Harvard gun expert David Hemenway writes. The American Academy of Pediatrics has stated that "the absence of guns from children"s homes and communities is the most reliable and effective measure to prevent firearm-related injuries in children and adolescents. "
Actually, This has less to do with the gun itself, And more to do with irresponsible parents who don't know how to safely store their firearm and turn the safety on. Henceforth, This is an issue with irresponsible people, The gun itself is not dangerous if stored correctly. For instance, New York City requires any lawful owner or custodian of a firearm to render his or her weapon inoperable by use of a safety locking device while the weapon is out of his or her immediate possession or control. New York City also requires the inclusion of a safety locking device with the transfer of a firearm.

"'And your premise of everyone "putting guns down forever" is idealistic and unachievable. ' Well then people like you who control violence and welcome it into your hearts and completely 100% turned your back on even the slightest concept of worldwide peace and for you, It is 100% unwelcomed and absolutely unachievable. "
Yeah, More like worldwide anarchy, Where all the criminals who don't have to listen to you take advantage of the powerless masses who are unarmed, That's what you're truly advocating for, But you're too tunnel-visioned to see it, You only care about being right, Not about seeing things from a new perspective, Which is your biggest weakness in your arguments.

"Gandhi, Nelson Mandela and other great peacekeepers put all of their guns DOWN. You don't know this. . . PBS's Nova which knows one helluva lot better than you did an episode on violence recently. It's probably still available on their website for viewing if you want to watch it. Nah. 10, 000 years ago 1 in every 5, 000 persons were murdered. Today it's one in every million. Why? Because of government and equality. Also evolution. Man's skulls have changed and thus so have serotonin levels. It's dropped dramatically. Man has realized that violence is not a necessity in order to maintain civilization. Clearly you do. "
Obviously 10, 000 years ago less people were killed, Do you know why? Because there were less people in general, And they were all spread out in the land, Of course now with a population of 7 billion, There are going to be more people dying, So this is not some sort of revelation that disproves anything I said. Also, Gun ownership is to PREVENT violence, Not to accentuate it. But you clearly don't understand the whole philosophy of why people own guns in the first place, In fact you proved the real reason why people own guns earlier in your argument, Which you did accidentally. Your source earlier stated that "70 percent of women cited self protection as one of the primary motivations for owning a gun" I don't think it said "70 percent of women cited wanting to incite violence as one of the primary motivations for owning a gun" so thanks for helping me prove that gun owners are not inherently violent people like you claim.

And good on you for ignoring me asking for proof about how the CDC stats were debunked. Waiting.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

I read your entire argument. This is why you are a teen and totally incapable of dealing with adult issues of any kind, Not only with guns, But with ALL adult issues. Do you have ---any--- genuine friends or loved ones? How can you if you don't understand what they convey or say? You not only did not pay any attention to any of the links provided but totally misconstrued them for your own personal gain, Which means you CAN'T READ and comprehend which is yet another reason why you entering this debate was an extremely bad idea. I guess you must think that suicide is a great thing - correct? So a gun should be be in each home of everybody so they can commit suicide - CORRECT YOU TOTAL IMBECILE? Oh and btw, Vets, Ah yes 22 - 23 per day commit suicide with your ever precious guns. THEY ARE NOT USED TO COMMIT HOMICIDES not even close in comparison.
Let's look at that "Amid a historic plunge in the national violent crime rate, More Americans than ever are arming themselves to protect against attack by other people, A new survey of U. S. Gun ownership by researchers at Harvard and Northeastern universities reveals. " But does it do any good? Just because people feel protect by a gun does a gun actually offer any protection? Did you actually READ the article? Why no. Of course not because gun crimes are committed in the fricken home. Why don't you do some actual research rather than taking some potshots at guessing?

Who says abusers are not "lawful citizens"? Where'd you get that one from? I'm abusing you right now. But I will never own a gun. I will never put a bullet in anyone. I will never hit a woman. I will never scream at a woman. I will never hit a child. I will never scream at a child. I will never go off to war and defend this land for a politician. I will never believe in any religion, Especially christianity in which is 100% pure unadulterated evil and is based on hate and nothing but. I believe in peace, Love, Care, Kindness, Harmony where as you don't. I do not believe in guts being ripped apart, War, Hate, Evil, Bloodshed, Anger, Jealousy, Vengeance, Rage, Fury, Etc etc etc. You 100% do.
"These are criminals that haven't been caught yet, And you're going to be taking guns away from people who actually need it to protect themselves from criminals like these abusers? " USE----SOMETHING---ELSE. What is so hard for you to figure out in your mind about this? A gun IS NOT GOING TO PROTECT YOU.
"I am willing to bet that they are actually way safer outside of their home with a gun than without one. " You are "willing to bet". Well you know something? I KNOW what the correct answer is. Its 0. Why? Its would have made national news if a woman were to have actually defended herself outside of the home with a gun. That's why. It hasn't. But you know what has made national news is children, 3 years old shooting their mothers to death in Walmart.

Now you are REALLY P**SING ME OFF. "I guess you forgot the fact that this is more of a mental health issue than a gun issue, " See, This is why I hate debating with someone who clearly has no idea, None, Into what they are squawking about, None and clearly has done absolutely no research on it or even given a single vague ide of thought on it. Because if you had, You wouldn't have stated something so completely arrogant, Unintelligent, Uneducated and ignorant. A few years ago 60 Minutes ran an article on the very same idea which knows far better than you. And all they had to do was simply ask one simple question. . . "How can you/ or anyone identify someone/ anyone who is mentally ill if that person who is mentally ill, If they themselves do not know if they are mentally ill? " BANG! So it doesn't matter what you say after that as everything completely makes no sense, No matter who possesses what weapon for whatever reason, Who commits whatever crime because AFTER the crime is committed OF COURSE that person is going to be put on the roll-call for being mentally ill, If that person was not there already. But how does one keep track of those who are mentally ill and what degree of mentally ill, Depression, Bi p-polar (in which I have so don't screw with me because it no fun) guess you forgot the fact that this is more of a mental health issue than a gun issue, Are they? Are they to be granted a weapon of any kind, Namely a gun? Sure! Why not. Oh but you don't know this either now do you. . . Nearly all gun crimes are committed with drum roll please. . . Legal guns. And you know what the very best part of the 60 Minutes article stated was and hopefully this will move you to tears and it damn right should! Those who are in their teens, Like you, Who have their mentally ill problems and are committed to psych wards here in the states, Unless they have ----SEVERE--- mentally ill problems/ mental health problems are only going to spend one week, Just one fricken week inside a psych ward. Really? Like one fricken week is really going to help these teens who desperately need and require it. The reason is the lack of space. Is it any blunder at all why teens, Especially in this day and age, Are hurting so much, Why schools get shot up, Why teens feel so down and depressed, Why teens feel so isolated? In me growing up, I had it a lot easier of that I can assure you though I had the worst form of child abuse possible. . . I was ignored and neglected which is happening at a staggering rate today.

Now you mention "Such as stabbing, Poisoning, Bludgeoning, Choking, Drowning, Falling, Overdose, Car accidents, Hanging, And many other methods of taking their own lives. " Oh but a gun makes it sooooo much easier. One shot to the back of the brain and BANG, It's over. People 100% know this and they do not want to experience any pain. This is why guns BY FAR, It's not even a close call, Are used more often than not to commit a suicide. Google it rather than guessing from something in which you clearly, Once again, Know absolutely nothing about. This is yet another reason for getting rid of guns. And no, People WILL NOT attempt suicide if guns are taken away in comparison. It IS a gun issue. DON'T GUESS because I know you have. DO SOME GOD DAMNED RESEARCH!

"Actually, This has less to do with the gun itself, " Sorry a Harvard study knows one helluva lot better than you especially when the gun is removed.

"Yeah, More like worldwide anarchy, . . . " We can move on from that, Not even worth paying attention to. You've 100% proven that you don't believe in worldwide peace. Btw, Have you ever watch Star Trek? Especially STNG? No? Rightly regarded as the greatest sci fi series of all time? Not a surprise.

"Obviously 10, 000 years ago less people were killed, " Wow, See what I mean? You clearly cannot think, Reason, Rationalize, Use common sense nor use logic on your own. Tell you what since you think you are so smart, In which case you have the brain of an imp, Why don't you watch the Nova Episode on PBS? Nah. That's too much for poor wittle wost you who has to invent excuses for every little thing and cannot come to terms with her fragilities and frailties. That excuse has nothing to do with it because you CAN'T READ.
"Also, Gun ownership is to PREVENT violence, " Really? According to what imbecile? You? How would you know? What kindergarten abnormalities of hickory dickory dork the mousey ran up the cork and got drunk did yah come up with that one? Ah yes, I see. Yet ANOTHER flat out invented excuse because you clearly 100% don't know any better and are twiddling your lips between your you know where areas to prevent them from becoming flames on fire? Are you really THIS stupid? Or let me guess, You are the reincarnate of yourself and you have not been born yet - right? To PREVENT violence except that every single gun ever made are all weapons of extreme violence especially that ever so special AK47 in which NOBODY should ever have or a weapon of higher magnitude in which is designed for one reason and one reason only - to kill people. Did yah forget about that one? And please explain to all the grieving loved ones of all those who are dead because of YOUR GUN OWNERS who shoot up their families which now happens every 3rd day. That's called a "mass" shooting when 4 or more die. Invent better excuses please.
"But you clearly don't understand the whole philosophy of why people own guns in the first place, " No you don't. You want to know what it is? It's power. "I'm the stud with the gun and I can shoot things and blow people away. " But see, You've done no research AT ALL into any psychology whatsoever. Tell you what. Since you think you are so confident. . . Let's play a game of poker. I'll take every single chip you've got before you even were to sit down to the game. Yeah, I play. But here, Guns are real. You are fake.
People like you make me sick because you GUESS. AND you have no business debating in a debate where you don't know what ADULT ISSUES are.

One last thing. . . Did you watch tonight's democratic debates? If not, And probably not because it's probably wayyyyyyyyyyyyy past your beddy bye time and you need to go sleepy poo, There was one helluva lot on gun crime issues especially on gun crimes in the home. Gosh! You don't know this but if there is a gun in the home with a woman she is 3x more likely to be murdered. I'm surprised it's not 20x. Now you think of the reasoning behind that cute little one. Then there's the kiddies also in which I'm sure you must be fond of also, With their brutalization slaughters. Hey, You support guns. More power to yah! Great going! Keep up the good work. You'll make a great Donald pork belly rind whiner pile of Raggedy Ann doll Trump, Easily the worst president of all time someday.
Bernie Sanders made the all-important correct statement in which you have made not one something to the effect of "1. 7 trillion dollars are spent on the defense budget when it should be spent on the #1 issue at hand, Global warming. " That's every single $ btw.
WE---ARE---DONE.
Kirii

Con

I posted my response to this before, But for some reason it didn't send, So I have to rewrite this all over again.
First off, Yes I do have loved ones, I'm not sure how that's relevant at all to this debate about gun reform. And i'm still waiting on your answer to how the CDC statistics were debunked and by who. Don't dodge my question.

"you must think that suicide is a great thing - correct? "
This is a strawman fallacy and you're oversimplifying and misrepresenting my argument in order to make it easier to attack, While at the same time also making your argument seem like the honest one. This isn't how someone should debate and I want you to quote the exact line in which I said that "suicide is a great thing" i'll be eagerly waiting for you to show me where.

"Who says abusers are not "lawful citizens"? Where'd you get that one from? I'm abusing you right now. But I will never own a gun. I will never put a bullet in anyone. I will never hit a woman. I will never scream at a woman. I will never hit a child. I will never scream at a child. I will never go off to war and defend this land for a politician. I will never believe in any religion, Especially christianity in which is 100% pure unadulterated evil and is based on hate and nothing but. I believe in peace, Love, Care, Kindness, Harmony where as you don't. I do not believe in guts being ripped apart, War, Hate, Evil, Bloodshed, Anger, Jealousy, Vengeance, Rage, Fury, Etc etc etc. You 100% do. "
Abusers are not lawful citizens, And the notion that they are is absurd. And I quote, " In 1994, Congress passed the Violence Against Women Act ("VAWA"). This Act, And the 1996 additions to the Act, Recognize that domestic violence is a national crime and that federal laws can help an overburdened state and local criminal justice system. In 1994 and 1996, Congress also passed changes to the Gun Control Act making it a federal crime in certain situations for domestic violence abusers to possess guns. "
For the last time, Abusers are not lawful citizens, They are not allowed to have guns, And they are not part of the group of responsible gun owners that you despise so vehemently and think so little of. I also want you to quote exactly where I said that I support all evil and hate, You like to strawman a lot, So if I really said those things, Just show the quote, Don't try dodging my question.

"'These are criminals that haven't been caught yet, And you're going to be taking guns away from people who actually need it to protect themselves from criminals like these abusers? " USE----SOMETHING---ELSE. What is so hard for you to figure out in your mind about this? A gun IS NOT GOING TO PROTECT YOU. "
It appears as though you didn't bother to read the rest of what I wrote after that, I stated that even though you may not be using a gun, The criminal threatening your life definitely will. Your mace spray or night stick isn't going to compete with a handgun. Not to mention guns save literally countless lives, So your claim that guns can't protect you is ridiculous. Every year, People in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2, 500, 000 times " more than 6, 500 people a day, Or once every 13 seconds. That's around 83x the amount of lives saved than the amount of people who die from gun related deaths every year.

"Its would have made national news if a woman were to have actually defended herself outside of the home with a gun. That's why. It hasn't. But you know what has made national news is children, 3 years old shooting their mothers to death in Walmart. "
Actually, The news tends to report things that are of note, Or that occur rarely. 3 year olds shooting their mothers to death is a very rare occurrence, However, Women defending themselves with guns outside their homes is extremely common, Therefore, The news doesn't feel a need to report it. Thanks for unintentionally proving that guns protect people outside of their homes, So much so that, Even the news doesn't need to report on it.

"A few years ago 60 Minutes ran an article on the very same idea which knows far better than you. And all they had to do was simply ask one simple question. . . "How can you/ or anyone identify someone/ anyone who is mentally ill if that person who is mentally ill, If they themselves do not know if they are mentally ill? " BANG! So it doesn't matter what you say after that as everything completely makes no sense"
Yes, Let's all of us just conveniently forget that doctors, Nurses and therapists who have years of expertise in their field and plenty of knowledge to go with it are able to identify mentally ill people even if those mentally ill people are unable to recognize that they themselves are mentally ill. Your logic absolutely makes no sense.

"Depression, Bi p-polar (in which I have so don't screw with me because it no fun)"
That explains a lot.

"Oh but you don't know this either now do you. . . Nearly all gun crimes are committed with drum roll please. . . Legal guns. "
Where is your source? Where was this said? Who said it? When was this said? You have a tendency to quote obscure episodes from shows from decades ago, But you never seem to ever link where you get your information from, And that's your biggest weakness. And I quote "Fewer than 1 in 50 (less than 2%) of all prisoners had obtained a firearm from a retail source and possessed, Carried, Or used it during the offense for which they were imprisoned. " This means that 98% of all criminals had obtained their guns illegally, Which is something you clearly either didn't know about or chose to conveniently ignore and lie about.

"teens, Like you, Who have their mentally ill problems and are committed to psych wards here in the states, Unless they have ----SEVERE--- mentally ill problems/ mental health problems are only going to spend one week, Just one fricken week inside a psych ward. . . Is it any blunder at all why teens, Especially in this day and age, Are hurting so much, Why schools get shot up, Why teens feel so down and depressed, Why teens feel so isolated? "
So you admit that this is the TRUE reason for why some teens do things like school shootings? You've unintentionally conceded to the fact that this has little to do with guns, And more to do with how the government handles its mental health issues, Thanks for unintentionally agreeing with my position.

"People WILL NOT attempt suicide if guns are taken away in comparison. It IS a gun issue. DON'T GUESS because I know you have. DO SOME GOD DAMNED RESEARCH! "
No, You're wrong on this as well. Do you think that if all guns are taken away, Suicidal people will just throw their arms up in the air and lose all suicidal thoughts? This is just wishful thinking at this point. And since you care about suicides so much, It should surprise you to know that gun suicides don't even make a dent on drug related suicides. "New numbers Thursday from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that drug overdoses killed more than 70, 000 Americans in 2017, A record. Overdose deaths are higher than deaths from H. I. V. , Car crashes or gun violence at their peaks. " But I don't see you lobbying for all drugs to be eradicated like you do for guns, Even though drug related suicides occur TWICE as much as gun related suicides.

"You've 100% proven that you don't believe in worldwide peace. Btw, Have you ever watch Star Trek? Especially STNG? No? Rightly regarded as the greatest sci fi series of all time? Not a surprise. "
I want the exact quote in where I said I don't believe in worldwide peace, I'm waiting, And what do fictional stories have to do with real world issues?

"'Also, Gun ownership is to PREVENT violence, ' Really? According to what imbecile? You? How would you know? What kindergarten abnormalities of hickory dickory dork the mousey ran up the cork and got drunk did yah come up with that one? "
Unlike you, I actually don't say things unless I know I can back them up. "Guns prevent an estimated 2. 5 million crimes a year, Or 6, 849 every day. Most often, The gun is never fired, And no blood (including the criminal"s) is shed. " And not only that, "60 percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. " So yes, Gun ownership prevents violence, Even without even needing to brandish the weapon.

"every single gun ever made are all weapons of extreme violence especially that ever so special AK47 in which NOBODY should ever have or a weapon of higher magnitude in which is designed for one reason and one reason only - to kill people. Did yah forget about that one? "
I guess you conveniently forgot that handguns are used more in suicides than AK-47s but you target the AK-47 because it's big and scary right? Not to mention that guns can also be used for target practice, Hunting, And other recreational activities, But you've seem to conveniently forgotten about that too.

All the rest of your argument is some rhetoric about Trump and the democrats plus the obvious ad hominem attacks and some more personal attacks in order to hide the fact that you can't truly refute what I say so you need to resort to attacks on my character.

Sources: in the comment section
Debate Round No. 3
backwardseden

Pro

OK, First off compose your stuff, All of your stuff, No exceptions in google docs. No matter what you compose there, Everything is automatically saved. This includes every single little letter that you compose, Yes every single "a" of the alphabet. That way when you are finished, All you have to do is a mere copy and paste.

OK if you don"t have genuine loved ones and friends, Those that would die for you, Take a bullet to the brain, As so many don"t and they clearly lie about it to pretend that they do, It is absolutely relevant because they cry out for someone to listen to them. AND they will invent excuses and or flat out lie all the time and enter conversations in order to gain this attention. It"s a very bad idea. It"s also very easy to spot. One of the ways is these people will almost always ignore it for if not the first time, Then second and third time also. Then perhaps not on the fourth and fifth time on down.
Now you did invent excuses for something(s) in which case you clearly knew nothing about, And many times it showed. I truly hate that. I called you on it almost every single time because I do know what I"m talking about when I enter an argument/ conversation/ debate or I have no business entering it. Neither do you. Or you will be destroyed by those that do know what they are talking about. It"s also a very good way to lose your genuine friends and loved ones because they will 100% know you are full of s--t and not have anything to do with you anymore. Don"t believe me? Try it. Also if you pull this kind of crap on your teachers = instant F every single time. This IS something that is taught in college.
It is also taught when you invent excuses and or flat out lie that it is my right to insult, Degrade, Dehumanize you or leave. After all, What idiot wants to hang around with someone who doesn"t know what they are talking about ESPECIALLY if they pretend that they do?

OK so let"s move on" The CDC. Let"s see if you can figure out what"s wrong with the report? Have you even read it? A child can figure out what it"s faults are. There"s soooooooooo many faults with it. Secondly have you read what Michael Bloomberg"s gun policies are going to be if he becomes president?

"you must think that suicide is a great thing - correct? "
"This is a strawman fallacy"" No you posted something ignorant. When you do this I"m not even going to invest my time with it.

"Abusers are not lawful citizens, "
OK we"re done with this issue. It was explained in more than full detail. You are only 17 and have no idea, None as to what an abuser is.
* Let me tell you something that will wake you up since you have no idea" I once had a friend who was raped, Beaten and tortured by her stepfather at the age of 4 all the way up until 17, Sometimes twice per week and then she runs away from home. This was only the start of her horrors. She gets married, They have a baby, Gets a divorce, The state takes the baby. She then attempts suicide by jumping off of a high dive into a pool with no water. This breaks her back so she can barely walk without excruciating pain. The hospitals will not give her painkillers that will work. So the only thing she can do is turn tricks so she can get her cocaine and crack because that will kill the pain. She then gets AIDS and dies. I seriously doubt if she had a single happy week in her entire life.
* There"s worse. I have a lifelong friend who once worked at a psych ward for 18 years. There was a 6 year old girl there who was raped so badly by her father that he a$$ turned into her vagina. I cannot even contemplate that and neither can you.
* These abusers were, If they are still living, CAN OWN GUNS.
* Ah yes, People who smack around women, Just one slap, Are they abusers? Yeah in most minds they would be, But not to most women who stay with these abusers WHO CAN OWN GUNS.
* Donald outhouse good for useless splatterbrain on his pecker and on this country Trump, Easily the worst president of all time, And is clearly an abuser DOES OWN GUNS.

"Every year, People in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2, 500, 000 times " more than 6, 500 people a day, Or once every 13 seconds. That's around 83x the amount of lives saved than the amount of people who die from gun related deaths every year. " Really? Ah yes, According to what? You? How would you know? What grade of F- is wrong with that gab of information? Damn right it is 100% ignored and flattened. Now think about what exactly is wrong with all of that information and its numbers don't work. It's just like religion as the storybook character unproven god of print only bible doesn't work either, Especially genesis, The 10 commandments, And the biggie law of the unproven christ as well as numerous other things. Really? You want to run with that? Think of why it just doesn't work? Think of the fatal flaws of those numbers alone. OR are you THIS stupid and ignorant?

"However, Women defending themselves with guns outside their homes is extremely common, " No, It's not. It"s not even a close call. OK we"re done. This time I promise you that I will not respond to you again. Once again, I truly hate it when people like you, Only 17, Invent excuses, That's a flat out invented excuse and probably a lie because you don't know any better and has to cover for true s--t. Bye.
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Atheistic_Christian 2 years ago
Atheistic_Christian
@kirii Thank you for the link.
Posted by Kirii 2 years ago
Kirii
https://www. Gunfacts. Info/gun-policy-info/guns-and-crime-prevention/

Just in case backwardseden attempts to state that my statistic was made up.
Posted by yournewEmperor 2 years ago
yournewEmperor
@Atheistic_Christian "4. You are the one who is almost universally hated. " Thank you for pointing that out to him, Because for some reason he seems not to understand that statement, And thinks he is the "hero" of this whole website. :)
Posted by Atheistic_Christian 2 years ago
Atheistic_Christian
"Yep even in your bumbling babbling baby brained big black hole bible it (the unproven storybook character god of print only that you believe in) changed numerous times. " No it hasn"t. The philosophy on how to follow scripture has changed but not the verses themselves.
"Oh and btw, Thankfully this country WAS NOT founded on your unproven storybook character god of print only that you believe in. " Actually it was. Have you heard of the pilgrims? The founding fathers also based the constitution on the Bible. Check your history. "One proof is that of the Constitution. So according to you "The Constitution will not be changed in the next five years nor will it ever. " So this means that, Thankfully, Rightly and justly YOUR unproven storybook character god of print only will ---NEVER--- take part in the making of this country's laws, Rules, And regulations, As there is no mentioning of the word "god" in the Constitution. " The constitution will never be changed. This is true; however, The second point isn"t. It is based on scripture, It isn"t scripture. Until the 14th amendment women weren"t mentioned, Nor were the blacks, But they also get the rights of the constitution.
"I am so very glad I made your day better. Everything you thus have to say is meaningless and valueless and will be ignored. Bye. " You have made my day better as a had a good laugh at your post. Since you have decided to run I"ll just declare myself the winner by default. You have no reason to say what I say is valueless and meaningless when all you do is throw insults and "facts" to other people before declaring yourself the winner no matter your actual position.
Your good friend- @Atheistic_Whatever
Posted by Atheistic_Christian 2 years ago
Atheistic_Christian
@backwardseden "@Atheistic_Whatever" classy, "I was willing to give you another chance. " Why thank you. "But after reading "The Constitution will not be changed in the next five years nor will it ever. " THERE. POOF. SHEBANG. " 1. Whats a shebang? 2. What proof? Give it to me.
"I stopped you dead in your tracks and am going to tee hee annihilate and mutilate you as you are totally a walking dud and incorrect at all times with the complete inability to lecture me and or anyone else on every single thing that there is. " You stopped nothing at all as I am still here and still right. You are lecturing me and I am lecturing you. Hypocrite.
"This is why you especially and so so so many here on DDO have no genuine friends or loved ones, None, And deservedly so, Those that would die for you and not even think twice. If you say you have ---any--- genuine friends and loved ones, You'd be 100% flat out lying. So save it, Don't. Especially after saying something so completely ignorant and stupid. I guess you wish to be disliked and hated. It is your destiny. " 1. I do have friend and loved ones. 2 stop projecting. 3. Stop calling people liars with no actual evidence. 4. You are the one who is almost universally hated.
"EVERYTHING changes or it will not survive. Pure and simple. This includes your sad pathetic terrorist unproven storybook character god of print only that you nor anyone can even prove exists, Thank god (Darn, You have no idea which god I am referring to now do you? Nope. Oh and btw, I never said it exists either. )" Christianity has changed. Ever hear of the protestant reformation? I am part of the changed group. You can"t disprove God either as science can"t study the supernatural. "Thank god" is just a saying that everyone uses, And it originally comes from Christianity. Yes you have In multiple comments. Are you rants so long you can"t remember what you post? You have said at least six times that Christianity doesn"t exist. "Yep even in your bumbling babbli
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
@yournewImperor - Didn't read it.
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
@Atheistic_Whatever - I was willing to give you another chance. But after reading "The Constitution will not be changed in the next five years nor will it ever. " THERE. POOF. SHEBANG. I stopped you dead in your tracks and am going to tee hee annihilate and mutilate you as you are totally a walking dud and incorrect at all times with the complete inability to lecture me and or anyone else on every single thing that there is. This is why you especially and so so so many here on DDO have no genuine friends or loved ones, None, And deservedly so, Those that would die for you and not even think twice. If you say you have ---any--- genuine friends and loved ones, You'd be 100% flat out lying. So save it, Don't. Especially after saying something so completely ignorant and stupid. I guess you wish to be disliked and hated. It is your destiny.
EVERYTHING changes or it will not survive. Pure and simple. This includes your sad pathetic terrorist unproven storybook character god of print only that you nor anyone can even prove exists, Thank god (Darn, You have no idea which god I am referring to now do you? Nope. Oh and btw, I never said it exists either. ). Yep even in your bumbling babbling baby brained big black hole bible it (the unproven storybook character god of print only that you believe in) changed numerous times.
Oh and btw, Thankfully this country WAS NOT founded on your unproven storybook character god of print only that you believe in. One proof is that of the Constitution. So according to you "The Constitution will not be changed in the next five years nor will it ever. " So this means that, Thankfully, Rightly and justly YOUR unproven storybook character god of print only will ---NEVER--- take part in the making of this country's laws, Rules, And regulations, As there is no mentioning of the word "god" in the Constitution.
I am so very glad I made your day better. Everything you thus have to say is meaningless and valueless and will be ignored. Bye.
Posted by yournewEmperor 2 years ago
yournewEmperor
@backwardseden Try coming up with some new insults, Because all you do is post the same old stuff every single time. "Clearly with no genuine friends or loved ones - a HUGE red flag. " I have seen you write this same so-called insult many times before, Not to mention you say it to every single person that you despise, Which is everyone apparently.
Posted by Atheistic_Christian 2 years ago
Atheistic_Christian
. You are. You always have and will. Are you really calling someone else a MAJOR JERKOFF? Have you looked in a mirror recently or can you not afford one? The only red flag I see is the fact that you tell EVERYONE that they have no friends or family. I get it your living alone at 53. Get over it.
Posted by Atheistic_Christian 2 years ago
Atheistic_Christian
stupid and ignorant? " 1. A woof isn"t a meow. 2. You went to art school so your pay grade isn"t hard for any other college grad to beat. 3. If you think anyone is anything more than annoyed at your own insults you are wrong.
"You obviously reasonably deduct the gunman Nikolas Cruz who murdered 19 and wounded 19 as well as all other murderers with your precious guns, Because you praise a piece of paper ahead of those who have f--king innocently died for absolutely no reason AND AS STATED there's no possibility ---ever--- that you would put yourself in front of that piece of paper, Namely the 2nd amendment, Which has been altered from its original content, That you would ever die for it, Not in a million years. " Before we had guns we used swords. Before swords we used rocks. Before that we used our hands. People have found ways to kill others since the dawn of time. If you bother to read this, The Oklahoma bombing is a good example. Innocents have been killed more by bombs, Gas, Knives. Swords, And every other weapon than guns ever have. The 2nd amendment hasn"t been altered ever. Send me the link to where you found this false information. Would I die for the rights of every American? Absolutely. You wouldn"t because you have no patriotic spirit. Just leave, We don"t want you here. Before you say not to speak for others, If you read the comments about you, You can find this out for yourself.
"Yeah you cool boy toy, So, Everything you say is a garbled gibberish miscarriage of complete idiocy. Because of this, You flatly lying and thus inventing your utter bull s--t flat out lying excuses and you know it, And by you not answering the major question I posed unto you because you know you have no answer for it, None, This will be my last post to you because you ARE A MAJOR jerkoff, Clearly with no genuine friends or loved ones - a HUGE red flag, Yeah that's easily good enough. Bye" You just called a 14 year old a boy toy you sicko. No he isn"t lying or bulls--ting facts
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