Loki is still alive

Loki, Prince of Asgard, Odinson, And the rightful ruler of Jotunheim still lives.

My purpose of posting this debate is purely for the fun of it. If there are any announcements or confirmations by the people at the MCU that contradict my claim, They will be dismissed in this debate for the sake of argument.

First round's acceptance.

Sure, So since the burden of proof is one your. I ask you to

1. Define Loki in coherent terms.

And then.

2. Produce sound evidence that Loki exists in objective reality.

Then I will look into the whole ragnarak thing. Hail vahalla! I do admit that getting into paradise from dying in battle is an interesting system. I'm rootin for ya kid.

Thanks. And welcome to DEBATE. ORG

Now, There are a few parameters that need to be established:

1. The Loki that is being referred to is the one in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Not the one in the comics or in Norse mythology. (that's my definition of Loki)

2. Unless it is clearly and/or reasonably tied to the MCU, The mythos and lore surrounding the character known as Loki outside of the MCU cannot be used to support any of the arguments within this debate.

3. Any use of science and/or deep, Philosophical concepts to support an argument regarding this topic will not hold as much weight as other topics since we are talking about a movie franchise that leaves a lot of plotholes and is obviously based on fiction.

If you don't agree with these parameters, We can change them or set new ones in the comment section.

Assuming that you've watched Avengers: Infinity War, It is apparent that Thanos killed Loki at the start of the movie. Loki got close by pledging his allegiance to Thanos, He draws his dagger and tries to stab Thanos in the neck, And then Thanos stops him and strangles him to death. On the surface, It's quite clear that Loki died. But this just isn't the case, In my opinion. Here's why.

"Loki is the God of Mischief and as such is one to always think ahead and to be the great deciever. After all, This isn't the firs time he supposedly "died" in the movies. And while his feeble attempt at allying with Thanos and then betraying him right after sounds like something he would do, It barely does him any justice in terms of defining who he is in his last moments. If Loki were to go, I think he would've wanted to go with a bang or at least have the last laugh, Not get choked out while wriggling around pathetically. And speaking of his designation, Loki has the powers to back it up and, More importantly, To avoid his demise:
- Being a Frost Giant, Loki has superhuman traits (this will be important later) and had no problem in fighting guys like Captain America.
-He is a master of magic and illusions
>he can conjure transparent, Intangible copies of himself and also porject them across large distances.
>he can change his voice, Attire, And entire physical appearance as well as other people (this is also important). He did this in Thor: The Dark World when he made Thor look like Lady Sif, A female Asgardian warrior. Can turn into a snake. Can make himself look dead (also important).
>he can manipulate the minds of others. His feats include mind control, Accessing a person's memories (this is important), , And making people speak his exact words.
>he can conjure objects out of thin air.
>he can move objects with his mind, An ability commonly known as telekinesis.
"Another point that is integral to my argument is Bruce Banner aka The Hulk, Who is directly linked to Loki's survival.
-Aforementioned, Loki has the power of illusions. So my claim is that the person who was killed by Thanos was not actually Loki, But someone who Loki used as a diversion. MEANWHILE, Loki disguised himself as The Hulk.
>Loki changed the appearance of an unkown individual, Most likely an Asgardian, And controlled that person into doing what he wanted him to do.
>There was something terribly wrong with the fight between Hulk and Thanos. Hulk is around 8 ft. Tall and Thanos is 6 ft. 7 in. . Hulk is the strongest character in the MCU and he was beaten by Thanos in under a minute. The reason being is that it wasn't really Hulk, But Loki disguising himself as The Hulk which is why he lost to Thanos but was also able to put up a bit of a fight.
-If you watch Thor: Ragnarok and Infinity War, There are several inconsistencies with Ruffalo's character.
>It is safe to say that Bruce has NO idea what's going on when The Hulk is unleashed. This is evident when The Hulk transformed back into Bruce and Bruce was extremely bewildered and confused about where he was, What happened, And what point in time he was in. In Infinity War, Bruce talked to Tony about Thanos and the Infinity Stones, Something that he couldn't possibly have known about because he had to turn back into The Hulk towards the end of Thor: Ragnarok. But you know who did? Loki.
>Bruce didn't ever turn into The Hulk to help out in Infinity War. He didn't because he was Loki and Loki didn't want to blow his cover.

There are some more details that I have to share, But I'll save it for later.

Well, Sorry to burst your bubble, But You didn't make that clear and your comment about MCU in the beginning led me to believe that opposite. Why would you not take evidence from MCU if you ONLY want to talk about MCU. That's just framing the debate so that nobody can every prove you wrong. 1) Only proofs from MCU 2) contradictions from MCU will be dismissed C) Cannot be disproven.

anywho I'm forced to concede because I don't watch the newer marvel movies. I apologize for the confusion. Sincerely.

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