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NjBagMan
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Masturbation is better than irresponsible sex.

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Started: 10/6/2019 Category: Arts
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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anc2006

Pro

Masturbation: the act of having sexual pleasure yourself.
Irresponsible sex: the act of intercourse in which the couple is not going to expect to take responsibility of the child.

Since Masturbation and Irresponsible yields the same thing, And since masturbation has NO risk of unwanted pregnancy, Thus it is more beneficial.

Note masturbation is still inferior to responsible sex.
NjBagMan

Con

You're argument boils down to the fact that masturbation and sex provide equal enjoyment, Satisfaction, Etc. , And thus it is a suitable replacement for sex. You use a disclaimer of responsible versus irresponsible, But the fact remains that if masturbation is a suitable replacement for sex, It shouldn't matter if we are talking about responsible sex or irresponsible sex - it should be a good enough replacement for any sexual activity where the stated outcome is not having a baby.

And, Yes, Biologically many of the results from sex and masturbation are the same. But this discounts the emotional benefits of sex that can not be achieved through masturbation. You cannot feel a connection to your partner if you are getting off alone. Sex is act of passion - and it is an act between 2 people that can not be replicated with Masturbation. If sex had no relation to the connection between people, Then humans would not spend so much time being selective in picking partners - they would just have sex with the first people we meet. But in fact, This is not the case. Sex has meaning and feelings that cannot be replicated by masturbation - and therefor cannot be better than sex.

If masturbation cannot be better than sex, And there is no distinction between responsible and irresponsible sex, Than your statement is false.
Debate Round No. 1
anc2006

Pro

"And there is no distinction between responsible and irresponsible sex"

When you are responsible, You are ready for the kid. When you are not, You aren't looking for children and not even ready. Most orgasm-special sexes are irresponsible.

"Sex has meaning and feelings that cannot be replicated by masturbation"

List one. They yields the exact same things, And how are there going to be any differences?

"You cannot feel a connection to your partner if you are getting off alone. "

If you are emotional connected to the partner, Not sexually, They you shouldn't even use sex to begin. So young love: isn't ready for sex; older love: doesn't need sex because true love. There are really no need for irresponsible sex. And none for masturbation either, And they can be used for same thing: orgasm. You can't tell me that zero is bigger than zero because they are the exact same value.

"Sex is act of passion - and it is an act between 2 people that can not be replicated with Masturbation. "

Sex doesn't equal to love, And to a 14 year old guy sex is rather painful. Now let's just say sex feels good, And most people believe it, Then sex isn't mandatory either since true love doesn't need sex. You can just talk with each other with logical things like Sheldon and Amy in BBT. Sex isn't really mandatory for a couple. And there are examples of people who are both famous and sexless.

Most people lost their virginity irresponsibly at 16-20. My mother gave birth to me when she was 27. Now if people do sex first at the age of 16, Then why is female virginity valuable?

"they would just have sex with the first people we meet. "

Oh dear god, I wouldn't have sex with a random person on the streets. This is only true when humans are extremely underpopulated, And before humans are civilized.

"If masturbation cannot be better than sex"

It can be, Because you can do it anywhere, Yields the same feelings, And plus no pregnancy reached.
NjBagMan

Con

O. K. , I think we need to take a step back here and find a few common points to base this around - you seem to be missing some of my argument, And I feel that it is based on baseline differences in our view of the key terms in the debate. 

First "better" - we need to define what we think the term better means. It is a relativistic term, And in and of itself has very little meaning. What constitutes better. Does better mean that it feels better, And therefore it should be preferred by the participants? Or does better mean only that there is no chance of an unwanted pregnancy. Better for whom? Society, Or those engaging in the acts?

Also "irresponsible" and "responsible" sex. Are you defining irresponsible sex as vaginal sex with a higher of unwanted pregnancy? And responsible sex as vaginal sex only for getting pregnant when ready. Does protected sex count as responsible sex? What about sexual acts that are not vaginal sex – oral sex, Grouping, Etc. ? Are these considered responsible? Or are we excluding them all together?

Unless I am reading your arguments wrong, It seems you are coming from a place that sex is only necessary for reproduction – and if you are not trying to reproduce, Then there is no need for any sex or orgasm. If this is the case, My first argument would still hold, While a lot of my additional arguments would not be as relevant. Let’s tackle my first argument, And your responses to it first, As I feel this will be the most fruitful for our debate.

I want to tweak my original statement. It seems to me that you are arguing that sex and masturbation have the same result – they both lead to orgasm. And if they both lead to orgasm, Unless you are trying to have a baby, Then sex and masturbation are equal. Unless you arguing that the only kind of sex that matters, Or “responsible sex”, Is for the purpose of having a baby, While there are differences between “responsible” sex and “irresponsible” sex, There is very little distinction as they both provide the same result – reaching orgasm with a partner. If we define sex as reaching orgasm with a partner, Thus eliminating the distinction between “irresponsible” and “responsible”, And define masturbation as reaching orgasm without a partner (BTW, This is a very narrow definition, And one that a lot of people would argue with), Then the only difference is the partner. So, If reaching orgasm with a partner is better than reaching orgasm alone, Then your statement is false. If reaching orgasm alone is better, Your statement is false. Either way, If your argument is that they have the same result, Then one cannot be better than another. Again, Unless the point is to have a baby, Then you have to have to orgasm with a partner – and by your definition if you are trying to have a baby, You are likely ready, And thus this is “responsible” sex.

If you would like to debate the purpose of sex, And if there is more of a reason to have sex than reproduction, Make that the central argument of round 3 as the rest of this is just posturing around details that have no real bearing on the argument. But I would like to address a few select points that you tried to refute from my original argument.

“Now let's just say sex feels good, And most people believe it, Then sex isn't mandatory either since true love doesn't need sex. ”

Yes, Most people do find sex enjoyable. And no, Sex isn’t mandatory. But for true love to take hold and for people to remain connected to each other, They need intimacy. And sex, At its core for most humans, Is an act of intimacy. Sharing a moment that belongs to just the two people involved, Bringing them closer. It is by far not the only way to be intimate. And sex does not equal love, And love without sex is possible. But it is an act of intimacy that cannot be replicated. And for those that experience it, There is no replacement.

To be clear, Intimacy is not the only reason for sex, And maybe not even the most prevalent reason. But it is why sex is a part of love.

“You can just talk with each other with logical things like Sheldon and Amy in BBT. ”

First, Sheldon and Amy are not real people – they are characters on a TV show. Normally, I would not be willing to use fictional characters because they do not represent a true picture of reality. But BBT happens to be a favorite show of mine, So I will make an exception.

Second, While Sheldon was satisfied with a relationship that did not involve sex, Or being intimate, Amy was always trying to move their relationship in that direction. It was always important to her, And something she hoped would be added to their relationship.

Third, Saying that Amy and Sheldon only talked about logical things missed the point of their relationship and much of the show. In fact, Amy and Sheldon spent most of their time talking about emotions, Or illogical things. They became close through navigating their individual struggles with emotions and social awkwardness together – and how doing it together made it better for both. In and of itself, This was the intimacy that their relationship was built on. It was a shared emotional intimacy that bonded them together.

Finally, Amy and Sheldon did finally have sex. And they both enjoyed it and planned on doing it again. Once they moved into together, They had sex with relative frequency (no longer once a year on Amy’s birthday). Even they found that their relationship was better with the intimacy of sex. It is not possible to paint Sheldon and Amy as being in a sexless relationship – they were not. And their relationship improved because of the intimacy of sex.

“My mother gave birth to me when she was 27. ”

I’d prefer not to use your mother as an example – I do not know her, And I do not want to offend you by postulating on her sex life. I will instead offer myself as an example. My wife and I had our child when we were both in our late 30’s (I was 39, My wife 37). Before this time, We did not believe that we were ready to have a child. However, Sexual intimacy was a part of our life from early on in our relationship. We both enjoyed it and it brought us closer. Part of the reason we knew we were ready for a child was because we were close enough that we knew we could raise it together.

As far as the value of female virginity – this is a very tricky topic. Part of it is based on a male dominated world, And the value men placed on women. It comes from the religion, And the value of chastity before marriage. I do not feel I’m an expert on this subject and I’m not sure it’s value in the debate. Here are a couple of articles I found that seems to do a good job explaining it: https://tinyurl. Com/y6j3sn8e; https://tinyurl. Com/yyetbcyy.
“Because you can do it anywhere, Yields the same feelings, And plus no pregnancy reached. ”

You cannot masturbate “anywhere” – you cannot masturbate in public, Or in certain places. And to be sure, Pretty much everywhere you can masturbate, You can have sex. I think what you mean is that you do not need anyone with you to masturbate. You can do it at a moment’s notice without the need for a consenting partner. But is this really a benefit? I mean, If you must reach orgasm so bad that you need to do it “anywhere”, Is that a good thing? It most definitely does not yield the same feelings. It will have the same result – an orgasm, And some level of dopamine release in the brain. However, It in no way yields the same feelings – with out getting graphic, The feeling of masturbating is not the same as vaginal sex. It just isn’t, And I shouldn’t have to explain or defend that. And, You can have sex without getting pregnant, By using contraception, By engaging in non-vaginal sex, Etc.

The fact of the matter is, There are more than 2 reasons for having sex. It is not limited to orgasm and pregnancy. And as long as that’s the case, It is impossible to truly argue that masturbation is better than sex. You could say the same with a more positive result (no unwanted pregnancy) but not better.
Debate Round No. 2
anc2006

Pro

Your paragraphs are certainly confusing, But thank you to be worthy and respectful of debating.

"What about sexual acts that are not vaginal sex " oral sex, Grouping, Etc. ? Are these considered responsible? "

These are irresponsible seeing it is:
-no value in use(not only your joy is momentary, But it lasts for only a couple of seconds)
-Unhygienic(the only intended way of sex is penis in vagina, (and that is how nature works) and you don't want semen down your throat)
-Waste of time(Why would you do that? I understand why people use vaginal sex for pleasure because there are organs that does that, But I don't think there are any organs that wants sexual fluids down your throat)

The only intended purpose of sex is for population. The explanation that is "feels good" is because the instinct is to make more embryos and to make humanity more efficient. "protection" defeats the whole purpose, Especially since the name of the organs are "reproductive" organs not "sexual" organs by classification.

"protected" sex is still irresponsible consider:
-STDs and semen are just reduced, Not completely eradicated(and if you are not using a condom, STDs will be existent in your body without anything beneficial to trade with, Such as a new life)
-It goes against the main and primary purpose of intercourse: reproduction

"First "better" - we need to define what we think the term better means. "

Beneficial, More gains, Less wastes, More beneficial to everybody.

"Are you defining irresponsible sex as vaginal sex with a higher of unwanted pregnancy? "

Irresponsible sex are sexual activities that are a waste of time, The joy is momentary(you are working towards momentary orgasm, Not a long-life-lasting son slash daughter). You are not responsible for the embryos that is produced.

"It seems you are coming from a place that sex is only necessary for reproduction " and if you are not trying to reproduce, Then there is no need for any sex or orgasm. "

Yes. The majority of the world is just misusing it, Abandoning the only purpose it has. This is the only reason why abortion is illegal----You are supposed to raise the child, Not abandoning it. All orgasms are making sure you would produce more children so it is more efficient. But the population grew so fast before human body can evolve, So this is the outcome: girls, As young as my age, Are already seeking for a tool that is used to produce a new embryo within wrong reasons.

" There is very little distinction as they both provide the same result " reaching orgasm with a partner. "

Not really. If it is responsible you are expecting a new baby. If it isn't, Then you are just looking the momentary joy that lasts for about a few seconds.

"If reaching orgasm alone is better, Your statement is false. "

Why?

"and by your definition if you are trying to have a baby, You are likely ready, And thus this is "responsible" sex. "

yes. If you are not, Then it is not responsible. You are not ready for a child.

"If you would like to debate the purpose of sex, And if there is more of a reason to have sex than reproduction, Make that the central argument of round 3 as the rest of this is just posturing around details that have no real bearing on the argument. "

What My argument is about is that, You only need yourself if you are going to have orgasms since they yields the same thing and no accidental and unexpected pregnancy. You don't need another partner to just reach sexual climax since you can do it yourself.

"And sex, At its core for most humans, Is an act of intimacy. Sharing a moment that belongs to just the two people involved, Bringing them closer. "

And people before 1000BC believes the earth is a floating pancake. Not everybody does things correctly. In fact, They did it incorrectly, Abandoning the only purpose of sex: reproduction.

"And maybe not even the most prevalent reason. "

The most prevalent reason---ever is reproduction. Humanity only did it that way until they found a way to misuse it.

"https://tinyurl. Com/y6j3sn8e"

That still doesn't mean girls should have sex. In fact most girls my age are still virgins, And they are ok with that. Girls doesn't need sex.

Also, It is actually better to rather stay virgin, Since:
-There will be people doing sex, Causing population.
-None of your sexual experiences are irresponsible.

"https://tinyurl. Com/yyetbcyy. "

You can't use religious example to look at it instead of civic examples. There are people like Mother Teresa who are both religious and died pure and virgin. This girl is just wrong. You don't desperately do sex this way. If you do, Make it responsible.

Also, You are not supposed to do sex because you want to through away your virginity(which is supposed be something good). You are supposed to do sex because you are going to have a child.

"You cannot masturbate "anywhere" " you cannot masturbate in public, Or in certain places. And to be sure, Pretty much everywhere you can masturbate, You can have sex. "

You need a partner to have sex but you don't need one to masturbate. And it yields the same things, And it needs less effort seeing you don't need to find a partner.

"The feeling of masturbating is not the same as vaginal sex. "

Let's say orgasm=5
and your claim is that 5>5, And that clearly is false.

"And I shouldn"t have to explain or defend that. And, You can have sex without getting pregnant, By using contraception, By engaging in non-vaginal sex, Etc. "

The main reason sex exists is because humanity is short on people. Yet you are here wasting time? What is the reason ANYONE would do non-vaginal sex, Seeing:
-no orgasms
-dirty
-no reproduction, Which is the main reason.

"The fact of the matter is, There are more than 2 reasons for having sex. It is not limited to orgasm and pregnancy. "

What else?

Argument done.
NjBagMan

Con

First, I am sorry about the formatting of the last post - i accidentally switched to Rich text and it made it look horrible, And I couldn't change it back.

Second, The two articles I posted were meant to stand on their own. I do not claim ownership over their arguments, And still do not find myself qualified to discuss the value of female virginity.

As I suspected, Ultimately we are arguing about the place that Sex has in society and peoples lives.

You are arguing that the only role sex plays in life is to create new life. And you have positioned yourself in an all-or-nothing stance - that most people are wrong in how they view sex, And you are correct. What I find interesting is that you are attempting to take a scientific view of this and not a religious one, That most who argue for abstinence take.

Ultimately, It is my believe that Sex has more of a purpose than just to reproduce.

It is enjoyable - and it creates a feeling that cannot be replicated in any way. For me, This is beyond explanation - it is more than the orgasm, But the feeling of the orgasm with a partner. The higher connection. The intensity. And yes, This joy is short-lived, But it is repeatable. If the problem with sex is that the feeling doesn't last long enough, Then the answer is no less sex but more sex.

It helps to create intimacy. It is a show of affection.

If the purpose of sex was so singular, We would not have evolved to want it so much, And a large portion of the population of earth would not see it as more than that.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
"But irresponsible makes it feel better. "

Rob. Murder. Smash windows. Smoke weed. Those things are irresponsible but will yield some sort of pleasure. Same as I. Sex.
Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
"But irresponsible makes it feel better. "

It feels the same as masturbation, And no accidental pregnancy.

I. Sex leads to orgasm, And masturbation leads to orgasm, And they are the same. You can't tell me what is the difference between female orgasm and female orgasm because they are literally the same.
Posted by zapshe 2 years ago
zapshe
"If you are really sticking your penis to somebody else's vagina, Make it responsible. "

Responsible for your future, But irresponsible makes it feel better.

"Masturbation yields the same level of joy basically. "

In what reality?
Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
If you are really sticking your penis to somebody else's vagina, Make it responsible. Masturbation yields the same level of joy basically.
Posted by zapshe 2 years ago
zapshe
If you're talking about level of pleasure, Irresponsible sex entices people and makes it more pleasurable.
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