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CraneTechnique
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Morality is crap

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Started: 8/11/2019 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Debating Period
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CraneTechnique

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Morality is ethics' retarded cousin that spends it's time wondering if masturbation is a sin while ethics sufficiently handles all the actual important issues.
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Morality and ethics go hand and hand. You're conflating religious philosophy and morals.
Debate Round No. 1
CraneTechnique

Pro

Morality is a religious concept whether you derive it from religion or not. There is no objective "right and wrong" especially when a moral principle has nothing to do with harm being done to sentient beings. When someone says it's "immoral" to masturbate or have sex before marriage that is just as arbitrary as saying it is evil to put your sheets over your blanket when you make your bed. If you have a certain point of view, You can also say that it is immoral NOT to rape chimpanzees or any other act that would normally be considered evil because there is no universally "right" morality. Morality is a form of superstitious faith, If you truly believe something is immoral than you have a belief with no basis in objective reality whatsoever because morality is an abstract, Conceptual, Subjective thing by it's very nature.
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Phil-E-CheeseSteak 2 years ago
Phil-E-CheeseSteak
The only time a distinguishment seems to be made between these terms is by people outside of the field of philosophy by the way, And the common way I see it being used then is as ethic in relation to a societal distinguishment between good and bad and morality in relation to personal distinguishments between good and bad.
Posted by Phil-E-CheeseSteak 2 years ago
Phil-E-CheeseSteak
I don't know if your just not aware but everything you just said, Basing thing on inherent feelings like "empathy" and "compassion" is a moral system, Its called intuitionism. Ethics are literally defined the "moral" principles that govern a persons behavior or the conducting of an activity. Have you ever heard of meta ethics, Normative ethics, And applied ethics, Because your definition of ethics seems to only have applied ethics and maybe a bit of normative ethics in mind, Without considering the fact without all the more fundamental frameworks, There is no real basis for ethics to exist by. Morality is only religon if you widen the range that religon covers as category to such an extent that it bears no resemblance to the usage of the word within the majority of society. Your point about ethics being based on reducing harm done to sentient beings is literally just utilitarianism which is a moral framework. The actual problem here may just be that these term are extremely loosely defined and within philosophy tend to be used interchangeably as ways of distinguishing between what good or bad/ right or wrong. It sounds like your actual problem is you don't like meta ethics as opposed to normative or applied ethics, Something we could also talk about.
Posted by CraneTechnique 2 years ago
CraneTechnique
What is the basis for ethics coming from morality? They are two separate yet related things. They both deal with what is right or wrong but ethics only sticks to the relevant issues of reducing the actual harm done whereas morality deals with both relevant issues and meaningless, Dogmatic ones. Morality is absolutely useless compared to empathy, Compassion and a sound understanding of ethics when it comes to discerning right from wrong. Morality literally IS religious in nature inherently, Because morality is dogma which one must have faith to believe in since it has no objective basis. Ethics is based on reducing harm being done to sentient beings, It inherently stems from empathy whereas morality is arbitrary because you can just as easily pull moral principles out of your anus as base them in some kind of logic or altruism.
Posted by Phil-E-CheeseSteak 2 years ago
Phil-E-CheeseSteak
This is a really weird question, Our ethical rules are derived from our moral framework, And without said framework you would have nothing to base your ethics upon. Also the way you framed your first point makes it sound like when you say morality, You're really taking about religon, Which fundamentally misunderstands the range morality spans as a field.
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