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DaFlash
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kcaj
Con (against)

Naruto is Definitely Stronger than Luffy

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Started: 9/30/2019 Category: Movies
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Debating Period
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DaFlash

Pro

Now im just gonna start off by saying, Naruto is stronger than luffy by a long shot. I mean, Naruto is at least light speed level, His defensive abilities are incredible and blah blah. Sorry for a small argument but I wanna see what the extent of my opponent will be. I will get serious in round 2. So, Whoever is against me, Get ready.
kcaj

Con

yes Naruto is stronger and may be faster, However he is reckless and is not smart he is fueled by anger and that anger can run out he will eventually get tired Luffy on the other hand has endurance and durability that is incredible; taking continuous, Deadly assaults from powerful opponents that would have killed a normal person easily in most of his fights, Yet still being able to stand up and continue fighting effectively.
Debate Round No. 1
DaFlash

Pro

first of all, If anything it is luffy that actually runs in headfirst into battle without giving it a second thought. Now, Anger isnt the actual factor that shows whether naruto or luffy is stronger than the other. U ve mentioned it urself, Naruto is faster than luffy. Second gear luffy may be pretty fast, But naruto in just KCM 1 is faster than that. Third gear doesnt have any real speed, But then again, Speed also isnt the only factor, So lets talk about destructive ability. Back in the fishman island arc, Luffy was in third gear with armament third gear on both hands going sicko mode on that ship i think called noah. But even after a whole lot of those third gear punches, He destroyed approximately half the ship and he couldve died due to straining. I know luffy is useless in the water, But naruto kcm1 or kcm2 is more than enough to beat hordy, Land or not. Naruto, Even at half strength could just have multiple kurama shadow clones beatt the living crap outta that boat. Defense, Luffy is pretty durable, Even without armament. However, Naruto was able to defend against a moon splitting attack with KCM 2(in case u didnt know, Its kurama chakra mode (: ). He then deflected a second one with his rasengan and kicked the living hell out of at guys booty, Idk the guys name. When naruto fought madara, There was this one attack, The fang of light attack that was stated by kishimoto was a light speed attack. It doesnt mean naruto has light speed. . Speed, But it means he has light speed reflexes, Which luffy has but to a certain limit. Luffy does have conquerors haki, But do you actually think clones have a will? If they don't, Then how can u conquer them (make them faint or crap their pants). U can't kill a person if hes already dead. If they do have a will, Its probably stronger than obamas right ***. So just a few thousand shadow clones ( cuz were talking about adult naruto, Not war arc naruto), Half of them with giant rasengan and the rest are rasen shuriken, And maybe a kurama clone that has, Idk, A tailed beast bomb, Capable of destroying a whole mountain with one shot. Naruto deflected 7 tailed beasts' tailed beast bombs ( TBB) with his own. So, What im thinking is luffy wasting his time, No matter how much he dodges or fights, Eventually a rasengan( a giant one, Which u saw what it did to that guy whom itachi switched places with), Then 10-20 rasen shuriken at the guy. Maybe he goes 2nd gear and defeats hundreds, But no matter naruto always has KCM 1. Sorry, But the way i see it, Naruto is the winner here.
kcaj

Con

So very wrong. Luffy's strength isn't his power, Though that is unbelievable, It is his nakama. They would back him up, Zoro is faster than a fishman in water and can cut through ships with a single blow. Also, It is possible through finely tuned usage of the armourment haki to coat one's body in an invisible force field that would nullify the affects of the water. I'm also pretty sure that though Naruto could summon water, It is only large amounts of standing water (ocean/swimming pool etc. ) that affects people with devils fruit abilities.

Also, Luffy may be childish, But it is that very childlike wonder and happiness that strengthens him and brings him power, He has the maturity to stand down from a fight despite being ridiculed but also the bravery to push past seemingly impossible obstacles and save those he holds dear.

He has far more stamina than Naruto, For example, He pretty much single handedly took out the entire marine prison island when saving Nico Robin (I think he took down several thousand in a matter of minutes but I can't remember) and while rescuing his brother Ace from execution he manages to move past the point where most of the strongest fighters would have passed out or died and still get past countless waves of enemies to his brother. That was two years ago, Now that he has spent the last couple of years training, He has the ability to make a majority of people faint just by looking at them with his conqueror's haki.

Also, He far surpasses most others with his ability to learn, Adapt and grow in power. He learns all the forms of haki in a fraction of the time it would take anyone else, All while getting it to a level where he can instantly use it and pulverize (with one punch) a robot that's sole creation was to take people like him out. To put it in perspective, It would take about thirty strong fighters to take one of them out.
Debate Round No. 2
DaFlash

Pro

Woah woah, why did the debate go from luffy to his crewmates. We are talking only about luffy and not his mates. I know naruto can summon water but just because luffy is weak to water, doesnt mean naruto has to use water to be able to defeat luffy. U are stating facts about luffys unbreakable determination to be able to overcome impossible leaps of faith for his friends sake. But naruto did that and much more. When pain destroyed his village and killed jiraiya, kakashi etc, Naruto came back with sage mode and beat the absolute living hell out of pain, even when he turned into the nine tails. In the marineford arc, luffy only saved ace due to redux from Iva. If Iva was not there, luffy wouldve been killed even by coby, because he couldnt move.
Far more stamina? i dont think so. Naruto is an uzumaki, so he has many life force boosters and stuff that helps in his overall life expectancy and health. He took down several thousands in a matter of minutes, lets say 2-3 minutes. But naruto, even without kurama couldve made 200 shadow clones and to each a rasengan. Bottoms up, and away with the marines. Naruto can spawn several kurama clones and just randomly fire TBB and kill as many as 500 marines, and thats several so maybe 4-5. Killing 2500 marines in a matter of seconds and then making another TBB with 5 kurama clones, then another 2500. so 5000 in 10 seconds while luffy couldve taken down at least 2000 or more in 3 minutes or 180 seconds, which is 18 times slower than naruto and lesser people defeated. I already stated that Conquerors haki wont work on naruto and not even his clones and plus naruto and sasuke beat kaguya when he was 17 or 19. Now currently he is 33 or something years old, which is like 16-18 years. He mustve trained for a majority of that time, like 8-9 years. Thats like 4-4.5 times the amount of time that luffy trained.
Naruto defeated the nine tails first try and that was his only try, he was able to cut leaves with his chakra in about 5 days and stopped a waterfall with his own chakra in like 1-2 weeks. You tell me about adapting and growing.
True, the PX's were created for the sole purpose of destruction, and luffy took it out with one second gear punch (no armament haki), That is pretty impressive since the first time it took his entire crew and most of their energy to defeat one. However, dont u think that all it takes is just one KCM 1 rasengan to finish the job? I mean come on. or even a no kurama rasen shuriken. It attacks the body on a cellular level, so it destroys the robot easily. And the thing is he barely wasted any chakra. If thirty strong fighters is what it takes, then narutos clone is worth 90 of those fighters all combined. Clearly, naruto is the winner.
P.S:- Please read my entire argument because u need to argue against the points that i make and add to that, not mention luffys emotions and only his emotions. True they help, but were talking about their physical capabilities. And do make scenarios of them fighting against each other
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