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anc2006
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5murfed
Pro (for)

Prisons should make inmates suffer

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Started: 12/23/2019 Category: Society
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anc2006

Con

No prison should not make them suffer. They should make them internally change instead of still being violent monsters.
5murfed

Pro

"Should prisons make inmates suffer? "

Why should we make inmates suffer?

Setting aside the small population of innocent people accused of wrongdoing, Most people who are in prison are there for a good reason. I guess I should ask, At what degree of crime do we start purposefully causing suffering? The biggest question here is, Do inmates have rights? Do inmate deserve the same things that regular people deserve? To be honest, I say no. Violent offenders do not deserve the same rights. The reason humans have made it so far and have conquered the earth in this way is because we are capable of compromising and adapting to those around us. The idea of society. The idea that we can sit in a room with 250 other people and not rip each others heads off like our monkey ancestors would have is amazing and it is that idea that gives us the ability to be so rich in knowledge and gives us this conscious life we have. People who violently offend threaten that utopia. If your existence in society is violent and non giving. You really shouldn't be a part of it.

Ok, So should we make them suffer though? Purposefully hurt them in reponse to their actions? That's a different story. Is serving time enough suffering alone? Can inmates change? Is prison a system of reform, Or a malevolent punishment for the inmates actions? The BIGGEST question I think is: Do people have value just because they're 'people'? How about do people have a negative value because they're 'people'. Because we both know people can be pretty assholish. You could say either thing, And be just as reasonable as the other.

What I think:
Yes, I think you should make inmates suffer. Prison has to be the opposite of enjoyable. That way people won't want to go back, And they don't. Should we waterboard and electrocute them for fun. . . ? No. But I think it's perfectly reasonable to give them shitty food shitty blankets and no pillow aswell as monitoring them closely. As for the violent offenders, Put them in a padded room so they can think about what they did. People have done some rotten things, Some things they should lose their life for. Not much sympathy for inmates.
Debate Round No. 1
anc2006

Con

Prison should be an educational quarter, Instead of a suffering quarter. Listen, If I give these two sentences to you:
1) These are what is correct and these are wrong.
2) You got the question wrong! Detention!

Which one will you take? Of course the first one. Most people, If not all, Find normal information more effective than punishments. If you want the prisoners to change, Don't give them pure punishments, Even if it is as little as bad food, Humid rooms with rats. They don't deserve everything, But punishment won't really let all of them really know what they should do in life other than them knowing what they did was not correct.

There is an internet saying: School is a prison. As matter as how I hate this expression, Or sometimes love, I wish that this is true. Prisons should be an educational quarter as that the inmates are going to face life after a decade-long detention instead of being held victims by the governor. Both prison and school is to prepare for the future life. And punishment should only appear when additional trouble is caused in prison. So get this clear: education comes first, Then punishment. Punishment can be used, But not at all "Should". If the inmates are already guilty enough when inside the prison, There is pretty much no need for punishment as that they are already in enough pressure. But if the inmates are proud enough for the trouble they caused, Then punishment is needed for them in order to prepare for life. Of course we can torture if the prisoner is bad enough, But torture is not the first priority of the prison, As if they don't realise what they have done wrong, It is worse than just learn lessons for how to live a good life. We want to have good humans in the future, Not to let them die out of innocence. Of course, The people who deserved to die can still die, But that is another story, As most prisoners aren't troublesome enough. Maximum security prisons, Or we call Supermaxes have more priority of suffering the prisoners as that they will cause more trouble. But even then, All should require education.

Note, This is how it should have been. Using practicality in the present world just delays the problem, Not making the solution.
5murfed

Pro

You're saying that prison should be educational, Rather than destructive. That we as a society should look at prisoners as normal people who can be reformed. I think that is a reasonable argument. People who can be reformed are usually willing to be reformed, And usually are reformed. BUT. . . Prison should not be enjoyable. SO to a degree, Suffering is a necessity. Being thrown into the hole for fighting is perfectly reasonable. It's going to make you not want to get thrown in the hole again, Therefore: don't fight or don't get caught fighting.

For prisoners that are willing to be reformed or the nonviolent and cooperative prisoners even see some of their sentence reduced, Applying for early parole. People who go to prison are not fit to be in society. SO a good way to teach them they 'need' to become functional, Is to show them what a nonfunctional human being in society gets. No clothes, Rough mats, Crappy if any food (if you're a state-baby), Cold cells and thin blankets are perfectly reasonable. If you want nice food and a good living, Don't come to prison. You belong to the state.

Prisons should be educational, That's what the libraries are for. But only people who show they can be reformed and are willing to be reformed get the chance. Not people who beat on their cell door for 5 hours and violently attack police officers at any chance. They deserve the worst. They're not capable of being a part of society. If anything they need to be drugged so they can actually be counselled.
Debate Round No. 2
anc2006

Con

No. You missed the point. I did not say "prisons cannot make them suffer". I said, Suffering is optional. If they are bad enough they deserve suffering, But that is not the point of prison. If they just suffer they may not even know what they are doing in the future life, And worse, They may be so impaired they cannot even live in the future. Just giving bad things is questionable to be "suffering", But even if it is, They just know what they did was wrong. They may not even know what is right in the future.

Prison should be repairing the prisoners, Instead of impairing them. So far, The Finnish and Swedish prisons are much better in conditions than the US's. They also has less crimes. Look into it and you will know why. Suffering doesn't always help.
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Anonymous03 2 years ago
Anonymous03
i don't think you understand, There are many prisoners that can't 'internally change' and commit crimes out of spite and have ZERO intention of improving whatsoever. These people are sent to prison as a punishment, Not to 'see the error of their ways'. Crime is not as simple as second-grade timeout - some people are very bad, And some people are too dangerous to be in society any longer, And require incarceration.
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