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Rape cannot cause pregnancy

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Started: 12/17/2019 Category: Health
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Pro

Yeah, I'm a mysoginistic piece of crap Todd Akin-like that believe that a woman can't get pregnant if she's been "legitimately" raped. What you gonna say about that?
Anonymous03

Con

Rape can cause pregnancy.

Sometimes, During rape, Rapist nut in vagina.

If so, Most of the time, Rapist's jizz go with egg and fertilisation happen.

Boom. Babby.

Can you tell me why you think rape can't cause pregnancy?
Debate Round No. 1

Pro

No, It cannot, And I' gonna show you why.

First of all, Pregnancy from rape, According to mainstream science, Is rare or very rare : it happens between 1% to 10% of cases. (Source : go check Wikipedia) So you saying that it happens "most of time" is false. (If I suppose with you that it exists)

"Boom. Baby" yeah things are not that simple. The problem is that you consider the thing like it's something localized, Like there only sperm egg that count. But the human body is complex and its systems are connected. So you need to see the whole picture, Not just the genital apparel and what happens in the womb, Know what I mean?

It is known that the mind has a effect on the body, For example sick people who believe they will heal actually heal better (placebo effect), Or in the contrary, Stress can cause physical ailments. So my guess is that rape causes deep mental suffering to the victim, So she becomes infertile. Like there is a connexion between the brain and the womb.
And after sex, It takes hours or days before fertilization, So there is time for the womb and the whole apparel to change its " behavior ".
Ok, I'm not a scientist and I don't have a theory on how it happens. But I believe it happens. Knowing how pregnancy happens, I can make reasonnable guesses however. . .
- In the infecondity period, There is a gelatin called "cervical mucus" that blocks sperm from entering the womb. Maybe this happens after a rape which prevents pregnancy?
- Womb can be acidic, Which is toxic for sperms.
- I watched a documentary where it said that immune cells ate sperms.
- The way that leads to the fallopian tube and so the egg, Is very tight, Can it be closed in case of rape?
- There only one egg cell, Maybe the womb can kill it if rape happens?
- Even when it's consensual, There only a few sperm cells that reach the egg. Millions have died before doing so. The womb is very dangerous for sperms, I don't see why it couldn't kill them all by some way.
- Women can get pregnant and have a miscarriage without even knowing about it. It's because if the fertilized egg is not viable, It can be expelled by the womb with muscle spasms. So that can be a way of avoiding pregnancy if rape happened.

I tell all this because there is some people that mock at the idea that pregnancy from rape can be naturally prevented, Because they don't see how it could happen. I read that some doctor reacting on Akin's comments, Said things like "womb and tubes are like mechanic, There is no way it can prevent pregnancy", But biology is far more complicated than mechanic Doctor, You should know that as it is your profession no? Or others have talked about chickens or ducks that can expel the sperm or loose it in maze, And comparing this to women who have nothing like that. . . Yeah whatever, Maybe it's because women are no ducks or chickens? !
I don't pretend to know how "the woman body can shut the whole thing down", But I'm sure it has its ways.
Anonymous03

Con

Pregnancy from rape is very rare, And it happens between 1% to 10% of cases.
However it still happens. You literally just admitted it. I was wrong in saying that 'most of the time if rapist nuts in the vag they're preggo', But you just forfeited your entire side by admitting that it DOES in fact happen in 10% of cases.

However, Since we have five whole rounds to fill, I'll entertain your other points.

'But the human body is complex and its systems are connected. So you need to see the whole picture, Not just the genital apparel and what happens in the womb, Know what I mean? '
I think I'll need a bit of clarification here.

'So my guess is that rape causes deep mental suffering to the victim, So she becomes infertile. Like there is a connexion between the brain and the womb. '
'Ok, I'm not a scientist and I don't have a theory on how it happens. But I believe it happens. Knowing how pregnancy happens, I can make reasonnable guesses however. . . '
Just before I launch into debunking these 'guesses' I'm going to reiterate: these are based on speculation which you admit yourself. By this admission alone (you also said you're not a scientist and you don't have a theory) you lose credibility; and your quote of the wikipedia article saying that 1-10% of cases cause pregnancy just makes it entirely redundant.
However, As I said before, We have five whole rounds to fill. So let's debate for the sake of debating.

'In the infecondity period, There is a gelatin called "cervical mucus" that blocks sperm from entering the womb. Maybe this happens after a rape which prevents pregnancy? '
I had to google this. Infecundity is a condition only experienced by women who are entirely sterile. So yes, These women won't get pregnant if they're raped. However this is not experienced by all women. It might happen a little more after rape, We don't know. But we know it doesn't prevent pregnancy, Because as you admitted yourself, 1% to 10% of women get preggo after they're raped.

'Womb can be acidic, Which is toxic for sperms. '
Yes. The vagina is a terrible place for sperm to be. However, Babies are still being born around the world. Sperm still get through these defenses.

'I watched a documentary where it said that immune cells ate sperms. '
I don't think they eat all the sperm. . . People are still being born around the world oyu know.

You know what? Though you sound very genuine and wanting to share your opinion, I don't think it's great conduct to address speculation like 'maybe the womb can kill [the one egg cell] if rape happens? ' because it's not an argument, It's speculation. So I'll leave speculation as it is, As speculation, And go onto whatever else you have in your arguments.

'I tell all this because there is some people that mock at the idea that pregnancy from rape can be naturally prevented, Because they don't see how it could happen. '
Understood. However the debate premise is that 'rape cannot cause pregnancy'; though I think you've very well defended the idea that rape can be naturally prevented, I think you may have fallen short in addressing the debate topic itself. Maybe reword the topic a little better next time?

'I read that some doctor reacting on Akin's comments, Said things like "womb and tubes are like mechanic, There is no way it can prevent pregnancy", But biology is far more complicated than mechanic Doctor, You should know that as it is your profession no? '
I don't know who Akin is. Closest I can find is Akhenaten, A denier of medicine who doesn't wash his hands because it apparently causes skin disease. If you're going to look at someone raging at such a person as inspiration I don't advise expecting a reasonable discussion.

Overall you do a great job at defending one topic but unfortunately the debate topic itself is completely out of the scope of what you're discussing.

Idk I don't see this debate going further but I'd be happy to discuss the body trying its best to prevent pregnancy or whatever you thought we were talking about, Though I'm not the most educated on that topic I'd love to have my horizons expanded.

Have a great day.

Debate Round No. 2

Pro

What the f*ck, Man I mentioned the percentage of rape related pregnancy just to show that you are wrong in your estimation "most of the time", But I don't actually admit this. Stop using this against me.

Yeah I'm no scientist, These are my guesses, I admit it, I don't pretend to know the truth. That might make me loose my credibility, But at least I got more humility.

No, Infecundity period doesn't mean sterile women! I meant menses. All women have cervical mucus. You skipped highschool lessons on female anatomy?

I did not stray from the subject. I think there is a obvious link between "how pregnancy can naturally be prevented" and "rape cannot cause pregnancy".

Millions of cells die in our body. As a egg is only one cell, I think it is very plausible that it can be killed. That's more than a speculation.

So why do you believe that rape can cause pregnancy even after reading my arguments?
Anonymous03

Con

It doesn't matter what you admit or not. You mention a statistic in which rape is said to cause pregnancy 1-10% of the time; regardless of what you might think is 'fair', This is a statistic that completely ruins your entire premise as you admitted that rape indeed happens. I also acknowledged that your statistic counters my assertion that rape happens 1-10% of the time. Nice conduct by the way.

'Yeah I'm no scientist, These are my guesses, I admit it, I don't pretend to know the truth. That might make me loose my credibility, But at least I got more humility. '
Unfortunately no-one cares whether or not you 'got more humility' as you are trying to push a point that rape does not cause pregnancy. By admitting that you have lost crediblity, Your arguments lose any credibility. Why should anyone consider the words of someone who admits that their 'arguments' are just guesses?

'No, Infecundity period doesn't mean sterile women! I meant menses. All women have cervical mucus. You skipped highschool lessons on female anatomy? '
I don't think you know what you're talking about. And it's pretty hypocritical of you to ask if I skipped highschool biology when you're literally making guesses about female anatomy to constitute your own arguments. Additionally it's just plain absurd to say 'I said this but I meant something else' as you can literally apply that to any argument. Regardless of what you might have meant, As your opponent I take anyhing you say at face value unless you explicitly say not to.
Infecundity period is something that refers to sterile women. To have infecundity is to be sterile, And I was correct in my previous argument. This is something you'd know if you Google searched words before you threw them out there.
I don't know what you mean by 'i meant menses'. Menses is period blood. What does that have to do with infecundity? How does having menses make you sterile? Are you saying that womens' periods wash out semen from rapists and stops them from getting pregnant? I'm afraid I'll need more clarification.

'I did not stray from the subject. I think there is a obvious link between "how pregnancy can naturally be prevented" and "rape cannot cause pregnancy". '
You are wrong. There is a link between 'preventing pregnancy' and saying 'pregnancy is NOT caused by rape' in that they both discuss sterility, However you did stray from the subject because you did not explain how anything you said about the woman's anatomy relates to the situation of rape.

'Millions of cells die in our body. As a egg is only one cell, I think it is very plausible that it can be killed. That's more than a speculation. '
Unfortuantely regardless of what you personally believe, You lost even more credibility and that point as soon as you said 'I think it is very plausible that it can be killed' then followed that up with 'that's more than a speculation'. If you Google searched 'speculation' you'll find that 'speculation' is 'the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence'. You 'think' something can happen based on very tenuous evidence. That is speculation. An egg cell CAN be killed. That doesn't mean that it prevents pregnancy in any way.

Why do I believe pregnancy can be caused by rape even after reading your arguments? Because you literally said a statistic that said that it can.

I don't want to deal with some swearing kid who can't keep neutral about the situation. 'What the f*ck', 'stop using this against me. ' These are things you pretty much can't say in a debate without losing credibility. I can use your statistic against you if it suits my needs regardless of what you deem fair.

With that in mind I'll be looking forward to a better R4. Could you try and maybe research your arguments a little more instead of randomly word dropping terms like 'menses' and 'infercundity'?
Debate Round No. 3

Pro

Screw you, You word analyzer.

I gave statistics but that doesn't mean they're true.

Infecundity period = menses, Get that now?

I win this debate.
Anonymous03

Con

And this is where your lack of experience and inability to respond to criticism shows. 'Screw you, You word analyser'- I think that's the entire point of debating, Analysing peoples' words and using them against someone. I think that actually defines the word 'rebuttal'.

If you're going through an infecundity period, You're going through a period where you're sterile.
Menses is menstral blood/the time of mensturation.
These two aren't really connected. Not hard to Google them as I said.

Saying that 1-10% of rapes cause pregnancies kinda doomed you from the start didn't it? 'That doesn't mean [it's] true' won't do anything. You can't just give a statistic to try and prove me wrong but then deny its' legitemacy when I use it against you, Because a) that's admitting that you told a lie (which you never want to do) and b) this isn't a little playground and we're not toddlers, You can't just change your mind like that.

But let's go along with your mental gymnastics and say that it's invalid for me to use your own statistics against you. Okay then. I can make my own substantive saying that wikpedia says that 1-10% of rapes cause pregnancy.
The point of a debate is that you should then word analyse as you call it, And try and rebut what I've said.

Wikipedia says that rapes cause pregnancy in 1-10% of cases. Isn't this proof enough that rapes can cause pregnancy?

Oh plus it's really tacky to say 'i win this debate' especially if you're in such a terrible position.
Debate Round No. 4

Pro

You analyze words because you have nothing to say against my arguments and prefer lose my time by criticizing the way I express, Even though English is not my mother tongue. You know only 5 % are born with English, So your kind is the minority. If you could speak French, Ce serait moi qui t'apprenderais " parler.

Honestly you think Wikipedia always speaks the truth? You have to think by yourself and start using critical thinking. The 1 to 10 percent statistic comes from some scientific surveys, Like they question people, But it may be wrong. Asking people is the worst way to get knowledge, Because testimony may be partially or entirely false.

Actually, There is no hard, Physical proof that pregnancy from rape actually exists. Think about it.
Anonymous03

Con

You have offered nothing relevant to this debate in the past two rounds. I have not criticised the way you express and have respect to your mother tongue. I have no idea as to why you think that I am English simply because I talk in a certain way (I'm not, And I also hope you see the irony in you saying that). You analyse my words yourself and call 'my kind' a minority you hypocrite, Without even knowing what country I'm from or anything. You literally judge my race based on how I sound online. Think about that before calling someone racist.

You're one to talk about wasting time, Too. An entire argument of yours was 'Screw you, You word analyzer. I gave statistics but that doesn't mean they're true. Infecundity period = menses, Get that now? I win this debate. ' You wasted time in that round, You didn't even try and rebut anything I said and you just wasted peoples' time by sulking and throwing a tantrum.

If you're going to say that statistics are untrue because 'like they question people, But it may be wrong' you have a lot of thinking to do. Literally any statistic I put forth in this debate can be rebutted in such a manner. This makes debating impossible thus it's something you can't do.

You can't face the fact that you lost the debate by your own admission in Round 2 and the rest of this debate was wasted with you flitting between two different points of 'Stop analysing my words! (that's the whole point of a debate)' and 'I gave you statistics but they're only true when I use it and stop using them against me'. This was not a debate and it's all your fault.

This isn't a playground. No matter what kind of self-victimising and condescension you try, You can't take stuff back and vaguely attempt to say 'Oh I meant something else/I'm sure statistics are wrong some of the time' as an argument.

You refuse to engage in discussion. You swear and you make logical fallacies. You accuse people of things they haven't done and frame peoples' arguments as offensive when all I've done is literally counter your argument.

You did not debate. I'm hoping you'll figure debating out one day but clearly you've only ever argued with your parents in your life.

Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Anonymous03 2 years ago
Anonymous03
'totally destroyed that guy' two fifths of your entire debate were complaining about getting rebutted on mikaxo buddy i wouldn't talk
Posted by zapshe 2 years ago
zapshe
Stress can't cause pregnancy to fail, It can only slightly change the ovulation period.

It's up to you to prove this.
Posted by DeletedUser 2 years ago
DeletedUser
Totally destroyed that guy.

Anyway, Placebo effect is the just an example. Stress is the reason why rape can't cause pregnancy
Posted by zapshe 2 years ago
zapshe
His opening argument:

"if she's been "legitimately" raped"

Then says:

"i didn't say anything about "true" rape"

$10 that you'll never be able to get consent from a girl if you tell her, "rape can't cause pregnancy. "
Posted by zapshe 2 years ago
zapshe
"i didn't say anything about "true" rape"

My bad, Fake rape can't cause pregnancy, Right? I'll get it right eventually.

The brain can do many things, But it's not a willful machine. Placebo effects initiate due to the idea that I did X therefore Y should happen. This placebo effect has never had any significant impact anywhere physical - such as hair growth treatments. If you take the placebo treatment, You're not getting regrowth of hair.

Placebo effects are usually with FEELINGS. Because feelings, Whether mental or physical, Are all running through your brain for processing. Your brain can alter how it processes them due to placebo effects.

However, Even if we go by the mentally retarded standards that placebo effects could somehow stop pregnancy, Then the opposite is true. Here's an example:

You get raped, And you assume the worse - that you'll get pregnant. Because of this, Placebo effect will kick in and you may actually become pregnant. If you thought, "well, How can the brain force sperm to fertilize the eggs! ? " Then realize I'm sitting here thinking, "how can the brain STOP the egg from getting fertilized? ! "

Go debate with some training wheels forum or something.
Posted by DeletedUser 2 years ago
DeletedUser
Oh man sorry I didn't know I was debating with you
Posted by Anonymous03 2 years ago
Anonymous03
and oof man being so prickly to criticism doesn't make you look great
Posted by Anonymous03 2 years ago
Anonymous03
dude i'm literally debating against you, I think it's okay for me to go 'he wasn't being very nice so i'm worried about the debate' but you do you
Posted by DeletedUser 2 years ago
DeletedUser
zapshe i didn't say anything about "true" rape, You're the one coming with that word. Brain makes your whole body function, You think and feel because of it, So better not underestimate brain's power. Also your sarcasm sucks

Anonymous03 then go read something else lowbrain
Posted by Anonymous03 2 years ago
Anonymous03
big brain
also based on pro's comment i'm not looking forwards to the most conductful of debates lol
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