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Should the U. S. Have a Social Credit System for convicted felons?

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Started: 9/14/2019 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Gowhere140

Pro

A social credit system for convicted felons would help shape and manage their behavior. Do good for society, Social credit score will go up. Commiting illegal activity will cause the score to go down and too low of a score can result in their names, Face, ID numbers be shamed on billboards, Public displays, TV channels, Theatre screens, Newspapers, Websites and more. The more crimes they commit the longer the shaming time. I feel that this deters crime and reduces crime rate.
https://www. Followcn. Com/chinas-social-credit-system-puts-people-pressure-model-citizens/

https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=NOk27I2EBac

The social credit system used in China. Infractions such as jaywalking in street would be shamed on displays.

Con

Ok bucko maybe put down 1984 for a sec. Yes a social credit system would most likely be a good deterrent but how about instead of treating them like garbage and reform them like Norway. Instead of punishment, They don't put their criminals in cages and deprive them of human rights and guess what. . . They have had lowering crime rates ever since they started changing their system from punishment to rehabilitation. If you treat someone like an animal they are going to act like an animal.
Debate Round No. 1
Gowhere140

Pro

Norway has different culture and society. People don't have the same attitude to crime as we have in the USA. I have a friend from Norway and he told me that criminals and felons are different from those in the USA because the population is not as diverse. The US population is comprised of immigrants from around the world. That alone also comes with criminals from all backgrounds. Singapore has harsh penalties for felons and that helps contribute to their low crime rates. Using the Scandinavian model won't work here because the punishments are too soft. The US always had a violent culture since the foundation of the country. Also, If you are wondering why China has a lower incarceration rates is because China execute criminals for many types of offenses within 45 days with 99 percent conviction rate. With the Social Credit System for felons every offense that the felons commits would shamed on public displays. This deters crime and it also tells criminals to think twice before committing another offense.

Con

OK, You convinced me. You can't make america a better place because too many nigs and noodles. Most of Americas crime is because of silly things like smoking a plant or some white powder. Only a small amount of crimes are things like stealing, Murder and rape. You know, Real crimes. America has a a huge prison population, Way bigger than China and Russia combined. Americas prisons exist for profit, To keep their inmates stuck in a loop. They get out, They can't get a job so they have no choice but to go the illegal way again. And the for profit prisons make one hell of a buck in the process. You guys should be going for the thing making these people commit these crimes in the first place, Poverty and mental illness. You guys have a mental health problem that needs fixing.
Debate Round No. 2
Gowhere140

Pro

That what I have said before, China and countries like Russia have less crime because primarily those countries execute those criminals and sentience them to death. Smuggle over a certain amount of drugs can instantly become the death sentence. 10 years ago two European diplomats were executed for smuggling drugs into China. Russian prisons are very harsh as well. Russia also has a lower population as well only around 150 million vs the US's 327 million people. One cannot compare the two countries. Yes, But one of the ways that is most effective is to shame them for convicted felonies since that makes the public know that the person cannot be trusted.

Con

So you just want to kill people just to lower the rate of some "crime". Like I said, Most people who commit crimes like drug trafficking do it because they have no other way to make money. Authoritarianism may lower crime rates but China is not a good place to live in. For criminals or people who obey the law. Shaming someone who has been though far worse (in a cage for half a decade) will not stop them from committing crimes. Also the west has news, Someone who raped a child is going to air on TV and the Radio.
Debate Round No. 3
Gowhere140

Pro

Well, If someone raped my kids I would much rather have the closure that these people will never offend again. Not to mention use them as example to others. In Singapore, Serious offenses are caned with the maximum of dozens of strokes across the bottom. Their crime rate is also very low due to vigorous enforcement of the law. That's what happened to two Swiss nationals for vandalizing a train station that cost the transport company tens of thousands of dollars to repair. The European system of criminals justice in my opinion let's criminals off easy. That's what happened to the incident in New Zealand. The man was set free in Australia with no criminal record even though the claim he was rehabilitated due to multiple drug and weapons offenses then flew to New Zealand and went after dozens of people. Australia claimed that there was nothing they can do to stop felons like this one. Australia uses a criminal system similar to Europe. For offenders like these it all starts out small then gradually becomes larger.

Con

I live in Australia and we have no problem with crime. The most bad neighborhood in this country is Brisbane and that place is like safe as hell. We are also pretty diverse just like america. The problem is that the US has a poverty problem that is forcing people into crime. America already punishes their criminals and yet they still have a larger prison population than the rest of the world. Ever heard of the trap neighborhood. Once you are in it, It's extremely hard to get out. That's why black people commit like half of all crimes in the US, They are poor as sh*t and the only way to support the family is to sell drugs or be a gang member.
Debate Round No. 4
Gowhere140

Pro

I live in California, And the gangs here especially from Latin America coming to our state. As long as one is not a drug dealer or part of a gang group it's pretty much safe. The criminals get away with it by finding loopholes around laws by their lawyers and set them with a less restrictive sentience instead and commit more crimes. That's whats happening in San Francisco, Crime is going up yet giving them light sentences is not helping either. Also the poor population tend to commit more crime is also due to lack of education, Parents that commit crimes are also more likely to teach children criminal skills that would be more than likely to commit another offence. Families are that are divorced are even more like to participate in those types of activities. The Credit system shows to children that adults who are committing crimes are less likely to successful in life.

Con

You have past the test. Heil Hitler my brother.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Anonymous 2 years ago
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I'm having fun with this debate, I hope you are to.
Posted by Anonymous 2 years ago
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Also shaming the criminals is not going to be as much of a deterrent as putting them in a cage for like 4 years for doing drugs. They wouldn't care about some dumb billboard shaming them, They lost their youth. They were treated like sh*t for years.
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