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Longinus
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Taxation is a necessary evil not theft

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Started: 5/12/2019 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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billsands

Pro

No one likes to pay taxes, But taxes pay for roads schools bridges, Hospitals, The police, Universities, Public housing, The space program. . No one likes to pay taxes but if people ignore their duties. . Taxes must be higher on the law abiding and that is not fair, Or tolerable. Society just fall to bits when people do as they please.
Longinus

Con

"No one likes to pay taxes, But taxes pay for roads schools bridges, Hospitals, The police, Universities, Public housing, The space program. . No one likes to pay taxes but if people ignore their duties. . Taxes must be higher on the law abiding and that is not fair, Or tolerable. Society just fall to bits when people do as they please. "

This is a false cause. Just because taxation is a necessary evil does not mean that taxation cannot also be theft.

The definition of theft, According to Wikipedia, Is as follows: theft is the taking of another person's property or services without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the lawful owner of it. This means that for an action to be considered theft it must entail (1) taking of a property or service that does not belong to one and (2) said taking being performed without the consent of the rightful owner. As taxation entails the taking of property (money) under the threat of violence, And as said taking is performed by the owner under the threat of violence (where consent cannot be rightfully given), Taxation is theft by its definition.

However, This does not mean that taxation cannot be validly used by a state acting under the interest of a group of people organized around a social contract.
Debate Round No. 1
billsands

Pro

It is in such a case necessarry to establish when you think taxation becomes theft, Because at some point it might, Or at least be so high it l=places such a burden on the economy it becomes counter productive Romans 13:6
Study Bible
Submission to Authorities
"5Therefore, It is necessary to submit to authority, Not only to avoid punishment, But also as a matter of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes. For the authorities are God"s servants, Who devote themselves to their work. 7Pay everyone what you owe him: taxes to whom taxes are due, Revenue to whom revenue is due, Respect to whom respect is due, Honor to whom honor is due. "
Longinus

Con

You're completely correct but taxation is still theft.

Taxation being theft does not correlate to taxation being wrong, Only to taxation meeting the definition for theft. As I demonstrated in Round 1, Taxation does meet the definition for theft and, As such, Is theft.

Taxation is an acceptable method for the government to raise funds, But it is still theft, Just not theft that could be considered wrong as per the social contract.
Debate Round No. 2
billsands

Pro

If the government has a legitimate authority to tax right? Then it isn't theft, You just lost the argument, The government has the legal authority to tax you so it isn't theft
Longinus

Con

"If the government has a legitimate authority to tax right? Then it isn't theft, You just lost the argument, The government has the legal authority to tax you so it isn't theft"

Are you even reading my arguments?

To quote my earlier debate,
"The definition of theft, According to Wikipedia, Is as follows: theft is the taking of another person's property or services without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the lawful owner of it. This means that for an action to be considered theft it must entail (1) taking of a property or service that does not belong to one and (2) said taking being performed without the consent of the rightful owner. As taxation entails the taking of property (money) under the threat of violence, And as said taking is performed by the owner under the threat of violence (where consent cannot be rightfully given), Taxation is theft by its definition. "

Just because the government maintains legal authority to tax doesn't mean it isn't theft. As I've said several times now.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by EverlastingMoment 3 years ago
EverlastingMoment
""The definition of theft, According to Wikipedia, Is as follows: theft is the taking of another person's property or services without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the lawful owner of it. "

Key words - "Lawful owner"

Under state constitution (which is practically the same for every country on earth) there is always a clause that states the government has the inherent right to collect and redistribute funds from citizens for the welfare of the state.

So therefore I can only assume that if we're talking about 'theft' you mean that certain tax schemes (such as a progressive taxation scheme) is theft because it takes more money from those that earn more. But that still doesn't apply because you are willingly choosing to reside in a country with these tax codes. When Emmanuel Macron became President of France quite a few millionaires chose to leave the country over fear that he was going to demand more taxes from them.
Posted by Longinus 3 years ago
Longinus
Yes, As I stated in my counter, Taxation is a valid method of collecting funds. But this doesn not change the fact that taxation is theft.

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Posted by SickInTheHeadz 3 years ago
SickInTheHeadz
All property is theft.
Posted by alice3499 3 years ago
alice3499
Yes i agree that taxes is not theft however, I think that we do need to pay taxes it is necessary otherwise how do the government run a country? I know here (down under) Australia the government relies on taxes from people to pay for everything from health care to roads to hospitals etc.
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