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The bible is NOT proof of its god existing

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Started: 6/22/2019 Category: Philosophy
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backwardseden

Pro

RULES:
Prove that the bible is proof for its god existing.
Use the KJV, NIV or the NLT translations only. Nothing else will do!
Test, Demonstrate and assert why this is true.

Dsjpk5 is disqualified from the voting procedures as he tries to pretend he's god and thus change the voting structure of who wins and loses here on DDO.
nigger2

Con

Hi backwardseden, I am a atheist. But there is proof in the Bible he exists that I don't is logical, But still proof. By your rules I can just name one and prove it so heres goes:

For what can be known about God is plain to them, Because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, Invisible though they are, Have been understood and seen through the things he has made. So they are without excuse (Romans 1:19, 20).

Basically Scripture is saying that God is invisible and sees through us(bullcrap). This can be used as proof in arguments for god existsing
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

There's no proof in the bible that any god exists. All the bible is, Is a flammable bedridden storybook. A storybook doesn't prove that a supernatural entity exists and cannot bring any verbiage to life by print alone. You're right it isn't logical. Btw, Who really cares what is plain to "them"? They happen to be wrong. Why? Because they in no possible way can prove what they say is truth. All they have is faith. And faith is NOT, Nor will it ever be proof. AND even better is why would a supposed "god" rely on faith in comparison to evidence? AND "faith is the reason people give when they don't have evidence. " Matt Dillahunty. He happens to be right.
nigger2

Con

Again I bring up my point from earlier. The Bible can be used as proof from Creationists that God exists, Like the scripture phrase saying that God connects through us spiritually.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

Here's the major fault with creationists. . . Notice that they will ---never--- put their product, Namely their god, On trial again? Why? Because all they have to go on is faith based oriented. And faith cannot be proved. They are not stupid idiot morons. They 100% know that they will lose every single time they even try. And since they cannot back their product, It means that they are irresponsible indefensible idiots and morons. AND since they cannot stand behind their product this means that they cannot be trusted. So yeah, Scrap ALL creationists into the gutterball of idiocies.
Now once again, WHO CARES what they believe? They cannot test, Demonstrate nor assert their god. And neither has anybody in the entire existence of the human race. Also is ANY creationist going to dare submit their findings to oh say 100 scientific communities from around the world to prove that their god exists? Why no of course not. That's because how do you prove faith? AND faith is the #1 thing preached in the bible. Wow!
Btw, ANYTHING can be stated that exists "spiritually". How do you define it? The supposed unproven god of the bible never described in any way of whop he was and what he was like - only what he wanted and desired through his monstrous terrorist superior ego god complex in which the bible is entirely about and nothing else. Yeah good luck supposed christians in getting your supposed god to leap off of a printed page and into the REAL world. That's just like sayt=ing that The Red and Blue books are spiritual and truthful and real.
Here's something to help you and I think it will. Enjoy! . . .
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=FJiNtQW3vHs - Determine if a Holy Book Is Reliable
Please tc and haveth thee fun
nigger2

Con

I don't agree with creationists but my own father is one so I think-"So yeah, Scrap ALL creationists into the gutterball of idiocies. " is a bit harsh.

So I watched the video and liked it. . But I think I will reiterate my point

The debate title is-"The bible is NOT proof of its god existing" What I have to prove is that The Bible can be used for proof for the existence of God.

A big argument that Creationists use is that God can connect with us by calling us. Signs, Etc. Like one creationist said that one thing was nagging. The debate kept calling him. I have proved scripture supports this.

I will give a second point.

One of the biggest proofs made by Creationists is that the Bible described a dinosaur.

https://creationtoday. Org/dinosaurs-in-the-bible/- "and biblical references show that dinosaurs "

So there another argument where creationists can use the Bible as proof.

So Creationists can make 2 arguments and prrofs from the Bible which was my job via the Debate Title
Debate Round No. 3
backwardseden

Pro

No its not a bit harsh at all to state that ALL creationists are beef barf faker plastic doggie poo because that's exactly what they are. Who cares if your father is a creationist? It is perfectly OK to be wrong you know. I was born jewish. I was born into a family that WAS WRONG. Creationists cannot stand up for what they believe in. Not ever. They have 0% evidence to support their null and void gall stone terrorist unproven god by anyone in the history of the human race. You cannot reiterate your point because you cannot test, Demonstrate nor assert that a god exists. This is true for any god from any religion exists. The same is true for anything that belongs to anything that has to do with the supernatural. None of it has yet to be proved. None of it will ---ever--- pass ANY 100 scientific communities of merit from around the world. So until that happens, You are drawing blanks.
"What I have to prove is that The Bible can be used for proof for the existence of God. " OK then you do it right now and you prove it. You make YOUR god leap from the pages of YOUR bible. Did you even pay ANY attention to the video AT ALL or did you even watch the damn thing? Probably not. This is how people like you become friendless and loveless in a hurry. They do not in any way present any valid evidence to support any ludicrous claims.
"A big argument that Creationists use is that God can connect with us by calling us. " Is that a fact? Really? According to what imbecile that clearly hasn't read his bible? To prove that 100% wrong. . . How many has this unproven terrorist god communicated within HIS bible? Sheesh! Its a precious few in the OT and its even fewer in the NT. And then these idiot creationists nowadays HONESTLY BELIEVE that this so-called god is going to start POOF communicating with EVERYBODY? REALLY? People are so so so ignorant and truly arrogant.
Now let's look at that even deeper "A big argument that Creationists use is that God can connect with us by calling us. " Who is this "us"? Leave me and billions of "us" out of the conversation will you please? I've long since severed my ties with an unproven god who in this so-called bible has murdered babies, Children and pregnant mothers (abortions - yeah you can see the repercussions and supermassive hypocritical contradictions galore- right? ), Issues death warrants on those who blaspheme, Those to curse at their parents, Those who work on the sabbath, Those who commit adultery, Those who do not worship your god and worship others gods, Those who are gay etc etc etc. This god who is unproven ensued slavery and never condoned it. This god truly hates children with countless verses and obviously enjoys their suffering and horrific pain otherwise he would not create it. This so-called unproven cabbage batbrain with the brain of a crybaby preschooler who couldn't get his way, Instead of being a role model and teaching others how to love, Be kind, Care for each other, To live in peace and harmony etc, Decided to commit genocide after horrific genocide in his PRINTED bible. Yep. The best being the supposed great flood in which biblically never happened. Thankfully. Yeah there's an estimated 8. 5 million species. Its easy to subtract 2. 2 million of them as they live in the oceans of the earth. This is a 2011 study btw. So now that number has been upgraded to add 5 million more species. Do YOU really think an estimated 11 million species can live onboard a teeny tiny little itty bitty ark? And that's just the beginning of the Noah's flood failings. AND if one thing in the bible is false, Then the entire fricken thing is false in which no god would be stupid enough not ever, Not for any reason, To use text, Namely the bible, As a form of communication, The worst form of communication possible.
Sure give a second point. Let's see what yah got. I've been doing this for 44+ years and have talked with roughly 22, 000. Believe me, I've heard it all before.
Well that's a laugh. The bible not once has ---ever--- described a dinosaur. And the very best bet to 100% prove that the author is a total f--king jerk and probably only seeking attention for his weenie, At the time of the writings of the scriptures wayyyyyyyyyyyy back when whoever wrote these scriptures and its quite a few, And no it was NOT Moses because that would be a supermassive hypocritical contradiction, How could they possibly know what a dinosaur was? Oh I get it, So between that time and now, REALLY? The idiot author expects US TO BELIEVE that they somehow became extinct. Is that his statement? Sheesh.
So why don't you take that ideal around to 20 different churches within a 20 mile radius and ask either the pastor, Priest or minister there if the bible has described a dinosaur and say nothing else but that? No cheating! No lead-in questions. No other statements to give your positioning away either. Deal? 100, 000 to1 you will get conflicting answers. See that's the problem with christianity and why its failing is because there's no consensus.
Now 1, 000 to 1 before I look at that website that you posted for me to look at, It a phenomenally cheesy website, It doesn't prove anything, It makes one helluva lot of assumptions, It thinks for you and doesn't allow you to think on your own, It gets quite a few things flat out wrong, It asks a lot of questions rather than delivering answers because it doesn"t have any answers and its trying to save the folly of its religion by inventing excuses as ALL so-called christians do, It doesn't rely on science and it doesn't have the foggiest idea to say "I don't know" when in fact it doesn't know and wow does it do one helluva lot of guessing. Let's see how my assumptions stand up? AND I will be honest. I will admit if I am wrong. I'm not afraid at all to admit if I am wrong. So I will use the 3 strike rule. 3 strikes and the website is OUT!
"The Bible begins with a statement that is so simple a child can understand it, Yet so inexhaustibly profound: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. " "Dr. Jeremy Lyon, "Genesis: Paradise Lost. "
That's a super easy strike 1. A child cannot understand it. Not by any means. And its like the bible is meant for children. Its not. Not by any means. In fact the bible MUST be kept away from children at all costs. Here's some solid "ah ha" evidence for this.
http://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=5kQTIX7NRE4 - Atheist debates get em while they"re young
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=2zYG_fJLjBg&t=17s - god hates children

Do you REALLY want me to post the verses? Granted, I don't know if I can. There are many that DDO will not allow me to. However many terrifying verses were stated in the videos above.

"It is the most dramatic and important opening of any chapter of any book. " Really? For any book ever written? I guess the author has read every single book throughout time and understand every single language as well - correct? Obviously the author believes that he has studied every single religion and understand what they are all about and knows that christianity is clearly the best among all religions - correct - just as all SO-CALLED christians do. What a pompous arrogant a$$ with no evidence to support him. Strange, Yeah ALL supposed christians do this. They have to, To keep their delusions alive and zesty. That really should be strike 2. But due to the absolute fact that this author a cumbersome laughable idiot and obviously hasn't heard of evolution with the combination of Mother Earth, And the wiping out of the dinosaurs due to a meteor strike which is widely accepted as truth among scientists of merit, That took place roughly slightly less than 66 million years ago. And not this idiotsville, AND we know where this meteor struck which was a given as a declaration of fact BAM The Chicxulub crater, Is an impact crater buried underneath the Yucat"n Peninsula in Mexico. . . "the first verse of Genesis covers the creation of time, Space, And matter in a single sentence; a solitary breath. Thus began the world and everything in it. " And of course the author has absolutely no proof for this, None. Since he doesn"t and made a bold a$$ assertion without any evidence to back him up, That"s strike 2.
Yeah, What an utterly stupid statement made by a truly stupid author that has no idea what the f--k he is squawking about. Every single religion known has its own creation myth. So simply put, Since the author cannot defame ONE GOD DAMNED thing about any of them, This makes him look like a pile of squashed drillbits in his fricken head. Let's continue. But my patience is wearing thin after that lunacy.
Genesis 1:24 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, Cattle, And creeping thing, And beast of the earth after his kind: And it was so. "
Does this prove dinosaurs? F--K NO!
"Today, We continue to discover physical evidence of many creatures that no longer exist, " Wowzers! Did the author figure that one out all by himself? Or did his abacus give him help?
Now notice that the complete imbecile asks one helluva lot of questions because he knows the answers are idiotic and mundane and are not asked by christians, But naturally has no answers to HIS QUESTIONS.
Let's skip"
"In the Book of Exodus, As God gives His perfect law to Moses"" Oh I get it, This "perfect" law was changed unless the author is jewish. * Exodus 31:14 "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, That soul shall be cut off from among his people. ", Numbers 15: 32-36 " And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. 33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, And unto all the congregation. 34 And they put him in ward, Because it was not declared what should be done to him.
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nigger2

Con

ok, Look you can think that but I'm not going to call my dad a "beef barf faker plastic doggie poo", Also, Is that poor conduct.

Oh my God, How do you jump to me saying that I am loveless and loneliness. Your 58 and Single. Im 22, Just got out of college and have a girlfriend, I just trying to make it with a good job, Etc. Please stop with the personal insults.

Im an atheist, Its not my "god"

IM NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO your rants, K? You are a sad loser Micheal. Get off this website and enjoy the lovely weather.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
Report me especially when a few weeks ago DDO decided to have someone on for at least a month who was taking great pride in raping 4 year old children. But let me guess, You haven't been to college and you have no idea who Donald Toilet Dust Trump is, The worst president of all time, As an example who is far far farrrrrrrrr worse than anything that goes on here as far as DDO is concerned - correct?
Posted by kathy_debater 2 years ago
kathy_debater
There shouldn't be personal insults in a debate that isn't even necessary of them. It's kind of me NOT to report you.
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=qalTJzk4kO0&t=911s - Bible"s Buried Secrets 14:45

Regardless, One more key thing that I forgot to mention" so what if its proved that there are dinosaurs in the bible in which will ---never--- happen? And you want to know why it will never happen? Its because that"s NOT what the bible says and it would be a clear misinterpretation. AND interpreters of the bible would have to go back and reinterpret their bible in which would be sacrilege to those who do know how to interpret their bible"s (even though they ALL GET IT WRONG here and there) at that one point. This doesn't prove that there is a god. Here's 3 great fallacies that christians AND those that are religious and believe in the god of the bible make. . .
1. If they do not have the answer to something rather than saying "I don"t know" Its POOF, Therefore god.
"Assume that we have no answer. Then the answer is "I don"t know". The answer isn"t "I can"t think of anything better, Therefore a god did it. ""Matt Dillahunty He"s right
2. Some so-called christians actually believe in evolution. Yeah. Talk about being hypocritical AND contradictory.
3. You cannot have "belief by default". That"s exactly what this author did. This is a relationship to #1. Its "I can"t think of anything better, And or I can"t think of anything to explain my a$$ out of this one so I"ll come up with this jockstrap between my legs itching powder that can"t possibly fly with any moron, But nevertheless I"ll put it out there and see if it snags any users.

Now as stated, Shop the idea around to 20 churches within a 20 mile radius and see what you get. Simply state to them "were there dinosaurs in the bible? If you believe this to be true, Please point it out for me? " And since they can"t because no words "dinosaur" was mentioned in the bible, Not even a hint of it, 100, 000 to 1 there will be no consensus.

Do take care. Sorry this was so long. I got carried away. I do not expect a full length response!
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
These were children that had no idea as to how to behave and which was wrong from right.

"The story of Noah saving the animals on the ark is not exclusive to those of Judeo-Christian descent. Over 277 cultures worldwide share a common story about a man who saved humanity and animals from extinction by building a vessel to survive a catastrophic deluge. " OK I"m dropping out after this because the author hasn"t proved in any possible way that dinosaurs are a part of the bible. Well yah know what? Take one lucky guess? The ark, Noah, Flooding, All of it as described in the baby brained babbling bubbling big black blank bible is PLAGIARIZED from other religions. Do you get Netflix Streaming? If you do GREAT! Now Nova did an entire episode on this and its called "The Secrets of Noah"s Ark. Watch it. Now I give you fair warning it expires from Netflix on June 30th. So watch it before then! Here"s a also few videos for you to watch and I"m outta here. Please always tc and haveth thee fun.

https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=24WbQkRx2_8&t=46s - How Archaeology Disproves Noah's Flood
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=BitwnxiPH34&t=50s - How Anthropology Disproves Noah's Flood
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=_KEfj3LLNSY&t=58s - How Dendrochronology Disproves Noah's Flood
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=vWZtbZGtiGA - How Meteorology Disproves Noah's Flood
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=DrDTaHjg2IQ&t=530s - How Mythology Disproves Noah"s Flood
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=5MeHmWapM4Y - How Geology Disproves Noah's Flood
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=VRXNJvWkkoI&t=1s - How Paleontology Disproves Noah's Flood
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=5svTzxVa-xQ&t=329s - The Math of the Great Flood
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=tyWcka7drWk - 39 Problems with the Noah's Ark Story (includes the great flood also)
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=_um69RqBpSw&t=330s - Noah's Ark is Plagiarized. Here's how we know "
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
Nah. That"s far too much to even ask of a so-called christian. All they want is the hate and evil that their religion brings because they cannot possibly contemplate a world with peace, Love, Harmony, Care, Kindness etc etc etc. After all, There"s far far far too much evil, Anger, Wrath, Vengeance, Rage, Jealousy of all things as is admitted by their UNPROVEN god. And how can there possibly be as each and every so-called christian is completely bonkers as they look forward to death so they can have eternal bliss in a mythical heaven with an unproven god? But in order for that to happen, Revelation MUST happen, Yeah the end of the world. Why not have eternal peace on earth and have it that way for all time? Nah. This so-called god of theirs would be out of a job. There"d be no souls to save, No sermons to summon, No fake christmas"s to attend and share etc etc etc.
Here"s the thing of it" since this god"s storybook character unproven inception, There"s not been more than 50 years of peace, Not at any place, Not at any time, Not during any time. Pathetic. So NOBODY can tell any sane person that this so-called god of the bible is a god of "love". Its truly sickening.

Let"s continue to rot at the stub at the author since he"s truly a total minced mutton moron with no mind. "Sometime after the original creation, Man sinned and this perfect world was corrupted in many ways. Eventually, God saw fit to punish the wickedness" A numero uno flaw. HE"S GOD. Don"t you think that instead of punishing the wicked, THIS GOD could have been a role model and taught man to NOT SIN? To be better people, To learn how to treat others with dignity and respect, To care for each other, To love each other? Btw, In order to "sin" there must be the storybook character god to exist. Oh and strange isn"t it, How is it that man originally learned to "sin"? Did it just POOF come to their minds like "hey I"m gonna sin today" Or better yet its like "I have no idea that I"m sinning. "
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
So the author is GUESSING. The word "If" is required to be changed to something like "So". Obviously this as stated is very cheesy, Is already making one helluva lot of assumptions. Continuing "with land animals and humans both coming into existence on the sixth day (Genesis 1:24-31), Then humans and dinosaurs did occupy the same world at the same time. So what happened? " So POOF the author of this travesty who obviously has a slinky that he uses for a brain cannot contemplate that the dinosaurs were wiped out BEFORE humans evolved with the help of Mother Earth on planet earth. As stated, There's no science whatsoever here. The idiot author cannot substantiate ANYTHING his maw just yawned shut. Now is this melt banana (masterpiece band) going to take this to oh say 100 scientific communities from around the world and have his findings pass? Why no of course not. In fact, 10, 000 to 1 or better the piece of dung he uses for coffee in the morning, He hasn't even submitted this crap to 10, Of these scientific communities of merit from around the world. Oh and no cheating. I did say "of merit".

Let"s move on"
Now here"s a truly great fallacy that ALL creationists make that I have ever heard "Initially, God"s creation was perfect". Actually it never was. How could it have been especially with man? This storybook unproven god of the bible that supposedly created man by no means created him perfectly. This so-called god gave man the ability to have heart attacks, Broken bones, Incurable diseases, Cancer, Influenza, The bubonic plague etc etc etc. How on earth is that "perfect" and or "perfection in any sense of the word?
Even better is ALL creationists that I have ever heard have this built in fallacy to assume that man has power over their god. "Initially, God"s creation was perfect". Well then gee, Gosh golly, What the f--k is wrong with this god keeping that so-called "perfection" and or perfect creation"?
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. 36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, And stoned him with stones, And he died; as the Lord commanded Moses. " Notice jesus worked on the sabbath, He was not put to death. So god"s perfect law that he gave to Moses was NOT "perfect" if its required to be changed - right? Oh and oh yeah do YOU really think"perfect law includes death fo blaspheme, Cursing at your parents, Commiting adultery, Being gay, Not worshiping this whimpering god and worshiping other gods, That"s strike 3. Here"s a video for you to look at.
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=x-slAgzJmdU - Why Does Every Intelligent christian disobey jesus? 1. Pay attention closely:
*Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. "
*Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, The flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. "
*2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, And is profitable for doctrine, For reproof, For correction, For instruction in righteousness:"
*Psalm 19:7 "The law of the Lord is perfect, Converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, Making wise the simple. "
*Psalm 119:160 "Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. "
* James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, And cometh down from the Father of lights, With whom is no variableness, Neither shadow of turning. "
In other words god"s word is PERFECT. It cannot be changed by anyone or anything. Christ, Being the lowly drab that he supposedly was in which like god who in which nobody can even prove has ever existed cannot change his "father"s" laws.

Yeah I"ll be a nice guy and continue. But my patience has run out.

"If God created everything in six days" Yeah. That should ---never--- be posed as a question.
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