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The Instigator
backwardseden
Pro (for)
The Contender
anarchiasse
Con (against)

The god of the bible, The same as the quran was shockingly inexperienced and tainted as he used text

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/30/2019 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Debating Period
Viewed: 211 times Debate No: 122563
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backwardseden

Pro

Imagine yourself as being a god. That is any god from any religion. How would you first best communicate your presence and messages so that they are understood to all of man - say millions of people? Yeah, You in being this god would be completely stupid, Dimwitted and inept enough to do the worst thing possible and USE A BOOK! Right? The fallacies and failures that A BOOK offers - correct? You would knowingly communicate to your following something that a BOOK has to offer - correct? You in knowing everything that there is to know. You in being perfect. You, You're a god would first use A BOOK to best describe your egotistical presence and knowledge, Messages and what is expected and what your laws are and how you want to govern your flock of sheep, Namely to millions of men and women, By giving man laws, Rules and regulations, That you expect to be followed, You, A GOD, You would actually be this stupid, Dimwitted and inept enough to use a BOOK to demonstrate this - correct?

Well you've proved yourself to not in any possible way to be a god.

Rules:
Prove yourself to be better than the idiot inept god of the bible and the quran or any god that would be stupid, Dimwitted and unintelligent enough to use text as a form of communication for any reason.
Be prepared to give at least 3 reasons per RD as to why you as a god would never use text as a form of communication.

dsjpk5 is disqualified from the voting procedures as he tries to pretend he's god and thus change the voting structure of who wins and loses here on DDO.
anarchiasse

Con

Hello, First,

excuse my English here my arguments:

1: humans are primitive being so god was forced to use basics humans ways of understanding.

2: the earth is a test, For ourselves by god, A test who is based on faith. So the ways the holy books have no strict significations is because of that, For testing and distinguish men's for the afterlife, Men of good who will take holy books seriously and try to read them most correctly even if they are write in imperfect basics humans languages

3: god is perfect (or almost) not men's, He let the free decision's to mans for choosing her fates, Even if he know them
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

1: humans are primitive being so god was forced to use basics humans ways of understanding.
That's truly awful reasoning. No offense. Its god. This supposed unproven god can do whatever it wants. It would not be "forced" into anything.

2: the earth is a test, For ourselves by god, A test who is based on faith. So the ways the holy books have no strict significations is because of that, For testing and distinguish men's for the afterlife, Men of good who will take holy books seriously and try to read them most correctly even if they are write in imperfect basics humans languages
Faith is a very bad reasoning. Once again, No offense. After all, Anything and everything can be based on faith. Here are a few quotes and a few videos to help you since you are obviously mixed up.
"Why would you believe anything on faith? Faith isn"t a pathway to truth. Every religion has some sort of faith. If faith is your pathway you can"t distinguish between christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, Any of these others. How is it that you use ---reason--- in every of the other endeavor in your life and then when it comes to the ultimate truth, The most important truth you"re saying that faith is required and how is that supposed to reflect on a god? What kind of a god requires faith instead of evidence? " Matt Dillahunty

"Faith is the reason people give when they don"t have evidence. " Matt Dillahunty

"Faith can be very very dangerous, And deliberately to implant it into the vulnerable mind of an innocent child is a grievous wrong. " Richard Dawkins

"Faith is the great cop-out, The great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is the belief in spite of, Even perhaps because of, The lack of evidence. " Richard Dawkins

"Its called faith because its not knowledge. " Christopher Hitchens

https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=XcB_g_ElIdQ&t=339s - Another Appeal To Faith - The Atheist Experience
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=72l6IeEFhPE&t=2996s - Faith is not an Understandable Way to Truth
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=oSXLMxMYve8 - "We all have faith. . . "
"In order to make a case for something that is the the result of intelligent design, You would need to demonstrate a designer that has intent towards a goal and provide evidence for that. Can you do that? " Matt Dillahunty
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=8w5ccgEYJns - Resurrection, Faith, Personal experience as evidence | Chris - ID 7/7 Seth Andrews.
"If we genuinely know something, There"s no need to take it on faith. And if you"re going to accept it on faith, Then you"re going to have to play in the arena where every other religion, Every other belief system, Every other truth claim, Playing the faith card gets equal treatment otherwise you"re being a hypocrite about faith. I think faith is a TERRIBLE way to determine what is true or not true. I don"t want to just believe. Let"s go out and know, Or try to know. And if we can"t find the answer instead of making one up or taking it on faith we say that we are simply honest with others and simply say it "I don"t know". I hope to one day know and make that JOURNEY about an evidenced based exploration of facts and a journey towards knowledge with no faith at all in play. " Seth Andrews

3: god is perfect (or almost) not men's, He let the free decision's to mans for choosing her fates, Even if he know them
How can this idiot so-called unproven god be anywhere close to being perfect when it chose to communicate through A BOOK, The absolute worst possible form of communication to a god from ---any--- religion?
Sorry, If you or anyone believes in this so-called unproven god, You have no free will, None. There are several ways of proving this. 1. In no way in the bible does its so-called unproven god grant man free will. It does not state something to the effect of "I the lord thy god grants man free will. " So you have no free will. 2. Threatening others with death takes free will away such as what 4 of the 10 commandments do. Blaspheme, Not worshiping its god and worshiping other gods, Working on the sabbath, Cursing at your parents all require death. This takes free will away. 3. This so-called unproven god does not have free will, So in turn man does not have free will. Its god in traveling forward in time, Travels past his choices already made. This is not free will. So once again, Man does not have free will. 4. Suppose the god of the bible exists? It gives power for the first time offender every---single---time, No exceptions, None. It gave power to Hitler (who was a devout catholic), Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hong Xiuquan, All serial killers, All rapists, All tortures, All pedophiles etc etc etc no exceptions, None. For their first time offense, Possibly more. An example? Daddy is raping his 4 year old daughter. Daddy has the power while the daughter has nothing as she cannot escape to SCREAM at the top of her lungs while being punched in the face sometimes twice per week all the way up until 17. Yeah your unproven god creates millions like these per year. Then again, Thankfully there's no proof for your god's existence. "Perfect"? Really? Perfect in only evil, Anger, Wrath, Vengeance, Rage, Fury, Jealousy. Jealousy? WHAT? Yeah, Those are human baggage emotions that your unproven god has freely admitted of himself in your unproven black book. So YOUR unproven god allows the rape to occur while he sits around and does nothing. This is 100% pure evil and is based on hate and it cannot be viewed as anything else. Sorry. Yep. There's many more reasons why you have no free will if you believe in your god. However, This is not what this debate is about.

Btw, The rules of this debate you totally ignored. They once again are "Prove yourself to be better than the idiot inept god of the bible and the quran or any god that would be stupid, Dimwitted and unintelligent enough to use text as a form of communication for any reason.
Be prepared to give at least 3 reasons per RD as to why you as a god would never use text as a form of communication. " in which you have not done. Surely you can think of at least 3? If not, Then you must not take your religion very seriously at all.
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Posted by Dr.Franklin 2 years ago
Dr.Franklin
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Years War of 1618"48. Perhaps only the ferocity and savagery of
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historical episodes is this more the case than with World War II.
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