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There is no "God-of-bible" being, Ever existent

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Started: 12/31/2019 Category: Religion
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anc2006

Pro

First, If you see my weird JoJo profile picture, Just to say I am not Backwardseden.

However, God of bible, As its everything being considered does not need the bible in any possible way as it can manually change every single human ever in the 10D plane. But as seen nothing I said was even REMOTELY done. God cannot be a being as little as Jesus as that Jesus can just erase all the skepticals on a second and convert all people into his belief in less than a few moments if he is god, But in reality he does not have anything god can do. Jesus is at most a fraud because he thinks god need something when in reality God in the Christian iteration have no need to have it, Or even want it.

So use something else: (https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=Ul0yAnuLgtM)

Brown hair dude was a human in this video. Yellow hair dude was a vampire that fears the sunlight. All are fictional. The white hair dude and the dog created a fake yellow hair dude in front of the sunlight and tried to execute the brown hair dude, But the brown hair dude already know that the yellow hair dude was a fake because he wouldn't want to walk in the sunlight to help, That is something he doesn't want, Ever.

Now If god want us to change but does not change, It is easy to see though why this is fake. If god can change us altogether in one second, He would not need the bible or Jesus. That scene was based on human intelligence as vampires are technically are as smart as humans, Just stronger in that fictional realm. If something like that was see-though, Then humans could obviously see though everything Jesus's fake god is, As it doesn't even exist because it is a walking contradiction that both created sin and commit sin(sloth, Wrath, Etc)!
Agent_42

Con

Your argument basically is, "If there"s a God, It can just change us whenever it wants to fit it"s idea of what we should be".

This is your opinion of what "God" is, Which isn"t necessarily the reality or fact of the matter. There are also varying arguments on how The Bible is to be read. . . Either literally or figuratively. It"s pretty obvious to me that it"s meant to be taken figuratively and symbolically. . As Jesus preached through parables and I think we can all agree none of us has ever seen a talking snake.

So, Putting aside those aspects of your topic that are not clarified, I"ll respond with the following:
The Universe is, By definition, The entirety of spacetime. It is "all that was, Is, And ever will be. . Including all possibilities and assumptions". This means we have always existed in a Singularity and there is no "Time", And all of existence is just one moment. How do you calculate the value of a year in the time before there was an Earth and a Sun, Much less human minds to recognize the pattern of sunrise and sunset?

Considering the above, It must be assumed that we are fractal aspects of the ONE thing in existence which is just trying to study itself. The Bible states we are "created in God"s image" and "the Kingdom of God is within you". It means there is no "external" and everything is merely consciousness. We are all "God", And the God of the Bible is also the God of the Bhagavad Gita, The Quaran, The Torah, And all other religious texts.
Debate Round No. 1
anc2006

Pro

Your argument is that God exists on itself, Which can be true, But it is proof it does not exist in the form of Christ. Christian god is a misunderstanding of what you have, And a god according to solely the bible and not the Quran wouldn't exist.

The god of Bible commit a sin he created said to go to hell. People who commit pride(in an ill manner) would go to hell, But God, Said that he is the only right one and the other religions are wrong(Other religion are also by him, But in all religions he boasts the same way), Which God is bragging a fake news and having the false pride, So he deserve to go to hell. But at the same time, God lives in heaven, And god going to hell is impossible, So essentially they contradict each other, And which means a deity that follows the rules of the Bible would not exist. A "god" as in an agnostic theist's view would exist in your description, But we are arguing as if a god of bible exist, Which it does not, As he does things a real god even written in the 21st century would certainly not do.
Agent_42

Con

You speak of the "God of the Bible" as if the "God of the Bible" is a well-defined subject that everyone agrees on. It's not. The Bible can be read in many different ways ranging from purely literal to fully esoteric. I personally see the Bible (and all "Inspired" religious texts) as purely esoteric descriptions of patterns which exist in human life. Take the following, For example:

The Flood. The flood refers to any time in your life where a major life change occurs that upends the dynamics of the routine you've become comfortable with. It can refer to a newfound epiphany of understanding about any subject matter. An "a ha! " moment that causes you to re-evaluate your thoughts on life. It is a "Flood" of information and ideas, Not a literal flood of water on the physical planet Earth.

You stated, "Your argument is that God exists on itself, Which can be true, But it is proof it does not exist in the form of Christ"
"Christ" is the inspired and illuminated aspect of yourself which comes forth after significant self reflection and internal honestly. You have the ability to live as Christ when you reach a state of honestly with yourself that allows you to accept who you are, Inclusive of all your flaws, And take honest steps towards how you would like your world to be going forward. Christ is the aspect of yourself that is the pure form of willful creation. Christ is not a historical figure, Just as the Bible is not a historical text.

Then you stated, "The god of Bible commit a sin he created said to go to hell. People who commit pride(in an ill manner) would go to hell, But God, Said that he is the only right one and the other religions are wrong(Other religion are also by him, But in all religions he boasts the same way), Which God is bragging a fake news and having the false pride, So he deserve to go to hell. "
What is heaven and hell? If you understand the Bible in the way I do, You'd see that Heaven and Hell are states of being, Which are currently present in your life. Gluttony, For example, Does not necessarily have to refer to food. . It can refer to any aspect of your life that you overindulge in. If you are overindulging in certain things that cause you life to experience a negative impact, You are "in hell". If you overcome your overindulgences and prevail through them, You are "in Heaven". Certain aspects of your being can exist in "Heaven" while other aspects of your being exist "in Hell". These are not post-life places, They are presently existing states of being. . . And are specific to every individual.

As you see, Arguing the existence of "The God of the Bible" is impossible, Since the "God of the Bible" means different things to different people, And there is no one standard definition of what that is. That's why there are different faiths and denominations that base their beliefs on the Bible, But approach it's teachings in different ways.
Debate Round No. 2
anc2006

Pro

I prove all my points last round. Now if you are saying there is no defined bible of god, There certainly wouldn't be one consider its definition is incomplete, And the way to prove its existence was lacked. That would certainly mean that nothing matches the differing definition. Let's say if asd3fg5h6jkl0jklm98x is a thing, I say it is a computer, You say it is a lamp, He say it is a mattress, She says it is a mannequin. There is nothing that can be all four, Thus nothing fits this definition really. Same with god. If there are different definitions about it, That especially conflicts, It means nothing fits, Because God can be one or the other, Not the garbo of all these conflicting speeches together that will be impossible.

And ah yes, If god is a human creation, It is pretty fictional consider humans would exist after the period god would come in, Which is eternally before humanity. If it is a human creation, It essentially means it doesn't exist.
Agent_42

Con

You still have not defined what you mean by "God-of-Bible". It seems you're trying to pin "God-of-Bible" down as some ultra-fundamentalist, Purely literal entity through a strictly literal reading of the Bible as if it were a history book. I can't continue on with your debate because you lack a defined argument. Refer to my previous posts.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Agent_42 2 years ago
Agent_42
Theists might say something like, "the Truth doesn"t need to be proven. It just is". Sorta like how adding three to four equals 7. It doesn"t need to be proven, Because it is what it is. If you don"t believe there is a god, No amount of "proof" is going to convince you that there is. A bearded man could fly down from the sky and walk on water, And a non-believer would say it"s just an alien from another planet who"s so much more advanced than we are that he knows how to levitate and counteract the effects of gravity. What theists consider to be proof, Non believers dismiss as not proof.
Posted by ReceptiveSkeptic 2 years ago
ReceptiveSkeptic
@backwardseden That's my point exactly. If you make a claim, You must provide evidence. If theists say that there is a God, They must provide evidence. However, The same is also true for atheists. If we say "there is no God", We have to provide evidence for that claim. It's better to just say "I am unconvinced that a God exists" Or "I don't believe in. . . " IF you're a fan a Matt Dillahunty, You should know what I'm talking about. He mentions all the time about not shifting the burden of proof onto yourself. That's what I was trying to get across. One should not make claims that one cannot provide evidence for, Whether you're claiming God is real or not real.
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
@ReceptiveSkeptic - Um no wrong. It is the absolute responsibility of theists to prove that their god exists. Not the reverse in any way. After all, There's no proof of ---any--- god from ---any--- religion ever being proved. Not even the slightest hint in the entire existence of the human race. And why should atheists prove that a god exists? That'd be rather counterproductive, Moot and silly. Not only that but theists in no possible way can test, Demonstrate and then assert and then declare a god. They also cannot and have not sent in a paper to ---any--- scientific community of merit from around the world that is not theistic (after all cannot be biased) and gotten a passing grade, Not ever. Also, Creationists will not put their god on trial again because they 100% know that they will lose. Why? Because all they have is faith-based oriented as evidence. They would not even get a hearing by any court in this country because of that unless its up to idiot politicians who believe without evidence such as Mike Pence. The bible is not evidence of any kind to prove a god. After all, What do believers expect? A god to leap off of a printed page and go POOF "I'm here, Worship me. "?
"Faith is the reason people give when they don't have evidence. " Matt Dillahunty. He's right. So what's left? Proving aliens is much easier because at least you have testimony. With a god because no god can be defined, There's nothing. Science? Um no because there's no science in any text to prove its god. And even better? No god from any religion would be stupid enough, Not ever, Not for any reason, To use text, Namely a bible as an example rather than talking to people as an example rather than avoiding all of text's pitfalls which are numerous that any true god would most certainly have foreseen BEFORE a single syllable would ever be scribed. There are soooo many reasons why the B. O. P. Is ---always--- on the theist to prove THEIR god.
Posted by Agent_42 2 years ago
Agent_42
Best to avoid "God" debates anyways. Its not something thats intended to be proven, All the arguments have all been hashed out and repeated for thousands of years, And non believers will remain that way unless they get solid proof they can't deny.
Posted by ReceptiveSkeptic 2 years ago
ReceptiveSkeptic
Anc2006, You gotta stop making these claims or you have to prove it. If you go about saying that the God of the Bible doesn't exist, You have to prove he doesn't exist. How can you? This is the same God that Muslims and Jews believe too btw, So are you going to denounce all at once? How about the 2, 000+ other deities? Wouldn't it be better to have the believers claim that there is a God and for you to then pull it apart? You're shifting the burden of proof onto yourself and not succeeding too well.

Also, Why are you trying to disprove something that doesn't exist in the first place? It's like trying to disprove ghosts or Santa - if they don't exist in the first place, You can't prove that they don't exist. In other words, You cannot prove a negative - or you cannot prove 'nothing'. You're going about this in the wrong way. If I claim that there are elves that tickle my butt when I poop are you going to try to disprove me, Or are you going to ask for evidence that they even exist first? Even if you come into the bathroom with me to watch me poop, Couldn't I claim that I'm the only one who can see the elves? How can you disprove something that only I can see? Wouldn't it be more beneficial to turn the burden of proof onto myself (the one actually making this claim)? Then it wouldn't be your job to disprove me, Which you cannot, But it would be my job to prove that these butt elves actually exist in the first place. Otherwise, There's nothing for you to disprove.

So when it comes to this God claim, You cannot proactively disprove it, You must allow those who believe to define God and why they believe in it. Then you can go about turning their arguments against them but you fall into a trap when you make a bold claim of "I can disprove God. " Might as well say "I can prove there is nothing. "
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adamward
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Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
"1 Corinthians 10:31 says, "Therefore, Whether you eat or drink, Or whatever you do, Do all to the glory of God. ""

While this is for us to not commit gluttony, The fact God want us to eat for his name is Greed and Pride.
Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
Wrath: God gets mad at us for no reason, It is not even harmful anyways and here god just strikes us with his teachings.
Pride: God think he is right and atheism is wrong. If god creates sins and commit sins that proves god contradicts itself, Which is less correct. And no, Other iterations of him, Such as Islam and Hinduism are less correct. I can see how atheism is wrong in his eyes. But islam? Ridiculous.
Sloth: God only writes words. Never change us if he does not like us.
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