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backwardseden
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SirDale
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Toss out the nonsensical 10 commandments as all were negative and let's create something positive

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Started: 2/13/2020 Category: Philosophy
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backwardseden

Pro

We all know that the original 10 commandments of the bumbling bible are fraudulent and fake brought on by a fraudulent and fake god in which 4 of them demanded death if not obeyed. Hey they were revised at least 4 times by moses, A terrorist and murderer anyway who cannot be proved has ever existed. So its time to change the commandments and bring in some working proper commandments that are not overseen by an idiot god that nobody can even prove exists for god's sake. Btw, There doesn't have to be 10. There can be 13 or who knows how many? It really depends on what works best. And no, Controlling people as what the original commandments were clearly for, Will not be the answer here either. These are just working suggestions.

In no particular order even though the first two are easy ones. . .

* Thou shalt always honor and protect children and never knowingly cause harm unto them.
* Thou shalt get rid of ALL religion.
* Thou shalt never slap, Hit, Or abuse women for any reason.
* Thou shalt get rid of slavery everywhere.
* Thou shalt get rid of all bigotry and racism.
* Thou shalt not care if someone is a party to being gay.
* Thou shalt always treat everybody as equals UNLESS as an equal the boundary of individuality is violated to cause harm to another.
* Thou shalt never bully anyone.
* Thou shalt not seek power.
* Thou shalt not terrorize anyone through fear.
* Thou shalt not torture anyone.
* Thou shalt not seek to oppress.
* Thou shalt get rid of all guns and weapons of superior firepower.
* Thou shalt get rid of all street drugs and never have anything to do with them.
* Thou shalt have nothing to do with Donald toilet dust Trump, Easily the worst president of all time and make sure he goes under for his crimes against the people of the U. S. A.
* Thou shalt always believe in oneself, That you know you are somebody, That you know you can contribute to society and that you know you are worthwhile.
* Thou shalt hug your neighbor as a mark of a peaceful gesture because you know you believe in peace and you know you will always work towards peace to create peace wherever you go.
* Thou shalt help your neighbor when he needs help and is in trouble if you are not in trouble.
* Thou shalt not ever rape the earth. . . Meaning thou shalt not pollute the skies, Thou shalt not pollute the oceans, Thou shalt not deforest the lands.
* Thou shalt not lever let money or wealth guide and corrupt you.
* Thou shalt not ever kill a man.
* Thou shalt not ever go to war.
* Thou shalt not ever hate.
* Thou shalt not even think about, Dream about or use violence towards anybody or anything.
* Thou shalt always protect rare species and never knowingly cause harm unto them.
* Thou shalt not ever abuse or torture animals.
* Thou shalt not ever kill animals for sport.
* Thou shalt not ever dabble in materialistic things.
* Thou shalt always dream big in an effort to achieve those dreams.
* Thou shalt always help those who are less fortunate than you.
* Thou shalt always take time to grieve if you need to.
* Thou shalt always be prepared to be judged.
* Thou shalt always be a good listener and take in what people around you have to say.
* Thou shalt always be ready to learn something new.
* Thou shalt always look forward to both the moonrise and the sunrise.
* Thou shalt always wonder and look forward to knowing if there is life elsewhere in the universe.
* Thou shalt always take vacations and travel the world if possible.
* Thou shalt never cause anyone to deliberately suffer.
* Thou shalt always take time in one's day to put your feet up and relax.

OK, So its your turn. Think of a couple of commandments that would benefit humankind and or this planet to make it a better place to live in. Naturally, I will be thinking of a few more as this debate rolls on and thus I will list them.

Anybody can participate except for dsjpk5 and those who think negatively and those who are racist bigots and believe that suffering is a good thing - christ anyone? All you have to do if you are not the one who has accepted this debate is to post a couple of your commandments in the comments section. Good luck! And let's all dream big!

Dsjpk5 is disqualified from the voting procedures as he tries to pretend he's god and thus change the voting structure of who wins and loses here on DDO.
SirDale

Con

To start, These commandments are (mostly) what good people do, Daily. But, I do see how this would be useful for bad people, And I also see where the troubles would begin. What is holding these bad people to this? Nothing. There isn't even a god to hold them against. The 10 Commandments don't make any sense in our standards today, But they did at one point or another. Why would you get angry and upset when you see people following religion? Why are you attacking a story, Made by mankind, To try and raise people to be better than they were? There is nothing malicious in the bible. People can be Christian without having to lop someone's head off; when was the last time you saw someone be executed because they coveted their neighbour's wife? Our society was much different than society from long ago. They saw homosexuality as a crime. That is the past. Just because a piece of literature from long ago does not suit the current era's beliefs doesn't mean that the entire religion is obsolete, Insensitive, And invalid. Nor does it mean it cannot change to better suit the current era. This does lead to imperfections, But the constant iterations of the bible produce marginal differences.

Your working suggestions have no base. These would be about as effective as the no gay Commandment. Your suggestions are very well adapted to today's society, However, In this society, A new school of thought known as freedom has mostly unbound us from the bible. Why are you complaining over a simple issue? If you don't like religion, Then don't be religious. Society has given us the choice to be free from this. It also allows people to remain in their religion. Your "No religion" is redundant. Let me ask you a question: if you went to a church and told everyone there that there is a no religion commandment, What do you think would happen? What about a mosque? What have these innocent people done to you so that you hate the idea of religion? I'll elaborate on that later. How about "Never hit Women"? So what, A man be attacked and hurt by a woman can't defend himself? Thou shalt not seek power? Then who is going to be in charge of the countries? Get rid of guns? They have that. It's called a gun ban. Those guns are already banned. Want to know why they're here? It's called smuggling, Dark web, Etc. You are making unenforceable rules. Donald toilet dust Trump? Like that's mature. The man will be dead in about a decade, Leaving behind a worthless husk of a rule. There is going to be a constant turmoil of violence, War and, More importantly, Ambition. These are traits that are embedded in ourselves. To always try to be better than others. This ensured, When we were primal, That we had a mate or we survived. That is our instinct, Whether it suits the current era or not. Thou shalt not think about violence? Now you're starting to worry me. We have evolved as a society towards freedom, But now you are policing that freedom of thought. Thou shalt not ever hate? So you're telling me I cannot hate it when I lose in Mario Kart Wii or losing anything in general? That I hate people who try to be dead weight and ruin everything for everyone? That I hate eggplant? Thou shalt never dabble in material things, Could you elaborate on that? Not letting money guide you? This could lead to problems, Such as stirring up financial trouble because you didn't check if you had the right amount of money for charity because you "didn't let money guide you"? (And while I agree with the corruption part of that commandment, You mustn't forget that people aren't strongwilled and can be easily tempted by money. How does a single person "rape the earth"; to deforest and pollute? Does that mean we cannot generate any waste because landfills are bad for all three ecosystem levels? How does one (1) person remove slavery all around the world? The selfish, Bad slave owners would give about zero damns if even a group of people protested them because the government of those countries also doesn't care.

Last point, Why would you hate religion, Even though you are setting these more or less religious values? You can't have your cake and eat it too; you be oppressing an individual who lives in Luxembourg who might want to eat it too, And he's also your neighbour because he lives across the sky rivers and clouds from you.

I hope that last part wasn't offensive, And I hope I don't come across as a negative bigot either.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

Mmmm K. I hope that you are not offensive and that you do not come across as a negative bigot also. What I truly hope for is someone who is both intelligent and educated. Of that, We shall see. Yep, I do read the bottom of someone"s debate/ report/ post before I start any argument/ report/ post.

"To start, These commandments are (mostly) what good people do, Daily. " No, Not really. Not in one teeny tiny little bit.
1. Think about this" All of the 10 commandments are negative and prohibiting when they should be uplifting if anything.
2. How can the 10 commandments, And or the unproven storybook character god of print only be honest and true when 4 of these commandments are geared towards an unproven storybook character god of print only"s ego?
*no other gods before me - violates the religious freedom of choice (regardless if this supposed god is a true god/ supreme deity, It couldn"t care less, And since it does it only points out to its shallow ego and most certainly would not be a "commandment", One worthy of this high of a stature)
*shall not make for yourself a graven image - violates the freedom of expression/choice (once again, If this supposed god were true, It couldn"t care less and absolutely points out to its frail ego)
*take the name of the lord your god in vain - violates the freedom of speech (again, This supposed god couldn"t care less, That is IF this god is a true god in which it clearly isn"t and would be able to shrug this off with ease and MOVE ON, Wow how very childish)
* not make unto thee any graven image - violates the freedom of speech once again (again, A true god couldn"t care less, Is very childish that any true god would as the idiot bible states)
Doesn"t this idiot unproven character storybook crybaby god of print only with its rattle in hand, Have anything better to do rather than worry about its monstrous boisterous frail fragile precious ego that it has to make 4 commandments in regards to its sheltered, Insulate, Seclusive ego that these things should be dead last on it"s horrifying menu of absolutely DOA when walked upon and never to be spoken upon forever gone into the that failed halls of its own groomed remembrance?
Yeah, Even so, To sum up if you as a religious patron that supposing you do not follow this lunatic and or lunacy rules, Well to put it mildly, It"s death.
So, Do you think you should be put to death just because you blaspheme? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 24:16 "And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, He shall surely be put to death, And all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, As he that is born in the land, When he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, Shall be put to death. "
You CANNOT back out of it. Either you believe in your unproven character storybook god of print only, Naturally without any evidence that it even exists, Or you don"t. Certainly, If you break any of these laws, Rules and regulations, Your unproven character storybook god of print only does not believe in you.
3. How can the 10 commandments, And or the unproven storybook character god of print only be honest and true when 4 of these commandments are geared towards death if you do not follow them?
You"ve already been a witness to one. Here are the other 3"
* Do you think you should die if you work on the sabbath? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Exodus 31:14 "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, That soul shall be cut off from among his people. ", Numbers 15: 32-36 " And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. 33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, And unto all the congregation. 34 And they put him in ward, Because it was not declared what should be done to him. 35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. 36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, And stoned him with stones, And he died; as the Lord commanded Moses. " Notice jesus worked on the sabbath, He was not put to death. Strange? That supposed "law" that christians use is in ill effect and does not work.
* Do you think you should die for merely cursing at your parents? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Exodus 21:17 "And he that curseth his father, Or his mother, Shall surely be put to death. , Leviticus 20:9 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. ", Mark 7:10 "For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, Let him die the death:, Matthew 15:4 "For God commanded, Saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, Let him die the death. "
* Do you think you should die if you commit adultery? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 20:10 "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, Even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, The adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. "

"But, I do see how this would be useful for bad people, And I also see where the troubles would begin. " Um no. Really? Just for picking up sticks on the sabbath someone should rightly and justly die - in which case is still in effect by the unproven character storybook god of print only law, Rules and regulations. Thankfully we don"t see ---any--- jews or christians flopping over dead if these laws, Namely all of them are not followed. This suggests that either the bible is bull, The unproven storybook character god of print only according to its print either does not exist (which is the very best bet), It cannot do what it says in the bible, It is unwilling to do what it says according to what is in conjunction with what the bible says.

"The 10 Commandments don't make any sense in our standards today, But they did at one point or another. " At one point or another? No, They never did especially if they are geared towards a superior ego god"s complex in which case, Along with its terror, Is what the bible is entirely about and nothing else, And especially if it issues death warrants for ---anyone--- who does not follow these "special" laws. More power to those who do not and never did follow them.

"Why would you get angry and upset when you see people following religion? " You asked. . .
Because nearly 100% of those who follow a religion, Especially christianity, Think that they do. And because they in turn don"t, They have to make up lies and excuses for it in order to cover up for the misbegotten tracks that they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and or what kind of mess they"ve gotten themselves into. They"d usually done absolutely no research on it, Especially when it comes to christianity and wow does it show, Especially on a terrorist UNPROVEN storybook character god of print only that has never been proven by anyone in the entire existence of the human race. But here"s the catcher" Fine. OK. NP. DO NOT lie to me for something in which you clearly know NOTHING about and yet you pretend that you do and because you don"t you have to lie for it and thus invent excuses for it ESPECIALLY when you hit a brick wall, Namely someone who does know better such as myself. The worst thing? Belief, Especially without evidence of any kind is exquisitely dangerous, Opaque and see through. Yeah, It"s ---always best to believe ---with evidence---. Now these people that believe, It"s just a belief, And it almost always comes from those in their teens that go into absolute denial. And even worse, Wow are there so so so many here on DDO who have no genuine friends or loved ones. It"s a HUGE red flag and it"s so ridiculously easy to spot. The very worst thing? This unproven storybook character god of print only that they are so fond of, According to its print has murdered 2, 821, 364 in HIS bible alone including babies, Children and pregnant mothers (yeah, Abortions). It has committed countless genocides, Issued death warrants for the simple reason that according to the unproved print that it was jealous in which case is imperfection. So so-called christians (in which case there"s no such thing as a christian - yep there"s A LOT more proof), Believe how they want, To whatever they want, For whatever reasons they want, To what suits them best, For their desires, Wants and needs and they pay no attention to the bible as they chuck the rest. That"s christianity with over 33, 480 denominations. In other words, There"s no consensus. Christ hasn"t even been proved to exist but is the most fought after figure in human history. In not believing in christ - it's the most immoral thing that could possibly happen from --- any--- religion. Their unproven god committed the greatest genocide of all time with the wiping out of ALL LIFE (saving 2 of each species and 8 humans on a boat that would sink would NOT save life), In the great flood that thankfully never happened.

"There is nothing malicious in the bible. " Well either"
1. You can't read because you were just 100% proven wrong on that.
2. You haven"t read the bible at all (not a surprise to anyone)
3. You don"t know any better
4. You don"t know how to read AND comprehend what you read (millions roughly 11% of children and 4. 4% of adults have it and it"s nothing to be ashamed about. I"ve got it. I can only read a few paragraphs at a time before I get lost and have to once again find my place. But strangely I can very easily read subtitles to a 3 hour movie as they rip on by. )

"Our society was much different than society from long ago. They saw homosexuality as a crime. That is the past. " It's still a crime. Because an unproven "god" has not come by and changed any of it"s "perfect" laws.

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Posted by missmedic 1 year ago
missmedic
"No drug, Not even alcohol, Causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, We shouldn't test people for drugs, We should test them for stupidity, Ignorance, Greed and love of power. "
Posted by missmedic 1 year ago
missmedic
canis eatting seeds berries and nuts do not kill the plant.
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
Anyway. I am not from the US. But where I come from I never heard anyone mention any commandments. So I guess any society makes it own.
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
"Do not injure, Abuse, Oppress, Enslave, Insult, Torment, Torture or kill any creature or living being. ". . . I like it, If you add: "more then you need to. I need meat, And do not kill plants.
Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
@missmedic - I'm sure you've seen/ listened to Christopher Hitchens version of the 10 commandments? If not. . .
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=v-63cTYJDCA&t=23s
Now when you say "Do not injure, Abuse, Oppress, Enslave, Insult, Torment, Torture or kill any creature or living being. ". . . Where would rape, Plunder, Molest, Wreak havoc, Desolate, Depopulate, Plunder, Lay waste etc, And all of their vicious synonyms, Fit in? Would you not consider each a little bit, Or even a lot different in their own specific way? Granted, Me personally, And you know me, I gotta take "insult" off the list as some deserve to be insulted, Some with just a sprinkle of salt and others with a big black blank hole attached to their livers.
Also when you mention "any creature or living being. " Yeah, I'd like to add the sky, Oceans, Forests, Trees, Plants, Etc.
Please always tc and have fun.
Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
@anc2006 - Everything.
Posted by missmedic 1 year ago
missmedic
Morality is about making choices not following an authoritarian rule book that allows for no choices.
Following commandments requires obedience not morality. But if you need commandments to follow then you need only one.
"Do not injure, Abuse, Oppress, Enslave, Insult, Torment, Torture or kill any creature or living being. "
Posted by SirDale 1 year ago
SirDale
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Posted by anc2006 1 year ago
anc2006
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Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
@Atheistic_Whatever - You finally asked a worthwhile question in spite of your scratch and sniff butt wipe peppermint odorama schmuck-dumb lifesaver without the holiness of holes. . .
"But why bring Trump and religion into it? " Donald penis butter with many things in common with peanut butter Trump, Easily the worst president of all time, Has one helluva a lot in common with the unproven storybook character god of print only bible. Here's the thing. . . Trump is 100% corrupt, Claims it believes in the unproven storybook character god of print only bible, But ab-so-lu-te-ly 100% does not. That thing is a true fake and a fraud. "I am the chosen one. " Remember that one? It ruins everything it touches. There are some decent folk here in this nation, It is not one of them. When people do harm to others, For whatever reason. . . Well figure it out.
Oh and btw, YOU change the bible. YOU make YOUR own rules with it (we've been over this). This is yet another major reason why no idiot god that is true in any possible way would ---ever--- use text. The best thing to do with the bible is toss it out as it is a book of hate, Evil and suffering especially among children AS PROVED in which you cannot refute which according to your bible are caused by your unproven storybook character god of print only. We've been over this. Have a nice day. Get over it.
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