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We should not talk back to teachers

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Started: 1/24/2020 Category: Education
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anc2006

Con

I mean, As a person who both rebels inside the system and still manage to get B's and A's on all subjects, I disagree with this claim.

1) Teachers are never flawless. They are human. They make mistakes.
As someone exposed to programming, Architecture, Web design classes outside of school at one point of time, I have heard countless examples of the designer asking clients about his opinion on such subjects, Such as what pattern he needs, What kind of transition looks the best for the company reputation, Etc. Now, At the later life, Every person who saves, Help, Or aid ANY type of clients would ask their opinion, Except, Teachers? IDK about your school, But I have heard in many schools, Including some of mine, The teachers represent more of an autonomous monarchy rather than libertarian democracy. Yeah yeah, So doing this is acceptable because the teacher said so. Yeah yeah so doing this is not acceptable because the teacher said so, Even if it does no harm to anybody in any way in any shape or form possible. This kind of system would repress feedback as any type of complaint would be sent out of window. This is equivalent to as if anyone gives you a suggestion at work, You shout at them and you ask your boss to fire him. Knowing physical violence does not work, Nor does written words, Really. The repression on talking back, Which is basically the only possible form of feedback, Would stop any improvements in school to their needs, And eventually a government without the students' power of say will make the students hate school. The lack of feedback would eventually get there, And we should lift the ban on talking back, Because most of time they are going to be helpful advice instead of what the teachers perceive to be a threat, Or at least helpless.
BuchananMein

Pro

Hello There, I will try to sum it up with concision.

(British is not my first language, Despite of using it for over a decade, I still do grammatical blunders, Beware, However it Should not be an hindrance on our mutual conversation). I will Assume you do the Con as a Student Like individual.

Remembering Schopenhauer from in my early college/ late high school, Few years ago, So let's please try NOT to make a Rhetorical Debate (which rely upon not rationally exchanging data and perspective to move forward together, But appealing to the very lowness of the Audience through cheap fallacy ).

Being an European, As many other, I will obviously speak of the Belgo-French-West of the Rhine- Continental common European School system I have experienced, Within an Omnipresent Market Socialism Society as phrased by the Treaty on European Union: Article 3.
"competitive social market economy; It shall combat social exclusion and discrimination, And shall promote social justice and protection, Equality between women and men, Solidarity between generations and protection of the rights of the child. "

So to contend with your argument in a linear order assuming this is Public School/ State Funded Education.

I) The Perfections of Humankind

QUOTE: " Teachers are never flawless. They are human. They make mistakes"

*Teachers Have never been Perfect.
Everyone knows it.
Moreover Teacher is quite low on the Social Hierarchy, Excepted few college PHD ones. Common People think of them:
As lazy (not really but quite a bit, The career wills it),
As UNproductive (yes 30 hours lessons will probably not change your life and you will according to the Mater, Level and Career you Pursue, Education is expensive often for nothing).
You will even get faster by yourself if you are disciplined enough and with a bit of emulation rather than sitting stupidly for 30+ hours hearing what you could read faster.

[My Informant? A friend, 25years old Teacher and Chemist (with two jobs, One including high or middle school teaching), Who is clearly over qualified (as many scientist) and know he is quite useless at the level he operates. God Bless that where he lives he can take One month of without justification and be paid fully + 3 months usual holydays+ few weeks/year for being Ill. As many of His Colleagues. Well for 15hours (in school) a week, Barely 7 months per years.

SO They are in Position of Power over you, Limited defenseless student. They Probably won't remember you even existed in 6 months. A Year or two if you are lucky/ unlucky. Your Teacher don't care. Usually, Overzealous ones do so for their own advancement not yours.

It is not in your Interest to contest whatever stupidity uttered or stance they may take.

It will just create Trouble and Your Parent/ Legal Representative has obviously better use of his time than being summoned for your Behaviour.

Shrug and do your Business on your Own.
IT IS NOT YOUR INDIVIDUAL INTEREST TO THROW A TANTRUM. IGNORE IT.

II)School is not a Company
QUOTE: "have heard countless examples of the designer asking clients about his opinion on such subjects"
"They are human"

Education System is not Human.

It is a Complex, Rigged, Bureaucratic, Political, Financial, Administrative Machine.
The Structure is Alive. The Institution has it's own Unions, Vested Interest and Inner Squabble.
Of Course.

But You are not The Consumer. School is A Giant Machine. Even if you / Representative pay Income Tax, You don't directly feed the Men in front of you. You don't Rule it. You Suffer or you Thrive but it's like a single oil consumer than would fight the Shell COmpany because he dislike the Customer Service. You're Done.

No Use of Contradicting the Woman with the Chalk (usually Women composed around 90% of the Teaching Corps).

Leave It or Endure it.

II) The Political Nature of School

QUOTE: "The teachers represent more of an autonomous monarchy rather than libertarian democracy"

You Spoke About Mistakes.

Many Mistakes are Intended.

Created and Spread in the XIX Century Public Secular Schooling exist to create a better Qualified Workforce. Not to Teach You Seditious Truth or Complicated Fact that break the Narrative that legitimate the Government as Historical Institution.

You may learn that in personal Reading or College with luck (with bias but still). Which is Why College Chairman have freedom of Speech theoretically (pratically no, It's can be painful).

High/Middle School is not here to tell you the Factual Evidence but construct a National Narrative that fit. Usually passed over and over. If You Challenge it (rightly a Neutral observant could say) you are an Opponent to the Mind Machine.

Better leave State Schooling or Shut up.

There is State Program for a Reason. Your interest is not the Reason.

You don't live in an Anarcho Capitalist State of Libertarian. Don't expect to have a 'Libertarian' STATE EDUCATION.
(whatever which libertarian you mean, Term tend to be corrupted over times a Said Friedrich Hayek and Before Him Aristotle, The Same Ideas contend again and again over Eons under different name and Appearance.

To Summarize PRO for not Complaining:

1) IT IS NOT YOUR INDIVIDUAL INTEREST TO PROTEST against the Overall Teaching Method.
2) YOU ARE NOT CUSTOMER WITH FINANCIAL WEIGHT but a NOBODY.
3) STATE EDUCATION POLITICY is NOT MEANT TO ENDORSE LIBERTARIAN / MONARCHIST/ ELSE IDEALS or SYSTEM BUT TO SELF LEGITIMIZE ITSELF.

The Idiot Shut it. Of Incomprehension
The Smartass (teen usually) open His Mouth, Because he believe to have discovered Hot Water (french version of not being the sharped spoon in the shed).
The Wise sweep under the Rug.

(Could Use a TROPE Hobbes was Right, There is only grey and dark morality, Don't get caught)
Debate Round No. 1
anc2006

Con

I am tired of those "You don't matter" demotivationals made by the teachers in between the classes, And yes I have experienced it. Well because of this, What my former teacher said about a few years ago has lead me to know how to talk back, And how to let them stay back at the low ground while I have the high, And to let them to do nothing other than using harsh violence, Or to contact my parents, Which know how bad this specific teacher is, And will only grow prouder once a phone call came from her as a non-factual complaint that blames me even though my whole family knows what flaws there are. The right of talking back I made for myself standing myself, Had gotten me to this logical madness in which tests suggest my intelligence level had increased since.

So, Yes, I matter, And the right of talking back made me smarter, So I don't care if you made a stereotypical underestimation and assumption, But it is not, Never, Useful. If I were to hide my feelings, I would be cored with depression instead of my own independent logic system.

And as an actual student in the public school system in the United States of America, This argument of yours had gotten me offended as even if I know how hard it is to be a teacher, The automatic privilege of randomly shutting any suggestion of the students may cause more harm than good. According to this logic, Kim Jong Un is always right because being a nation's leader is hard: but if he started in the wrong direction at the wrong foot, That would pretty much mean that they worked hard for no desirable reward, And should not be encouraged.

But anyway, I would read this as I will handle the burden of an unfinished debate, A burden I don't want to handle. Refutes with own reasons blended in started in the next 2 lines.

"Being an European, As many other, I will obviously speak of the Belgo-French-West of the Rhine- Continental common European School system I have experienced, Within an Omnipresent Market Socialism Society as phrased by the Treaty on European Union: Article 3. "

As a Chinese-born student who currently go to the school in the United States, I will admit our experiences are definitely not the same. But that doesn't hinder the right to talk back rationally and ignore the totalitarian regime the teacher creates in the classroom where it could cause more harm than help.

"You will even get faster by yourself if you are disciplined enough and with a bit of emulation rather than sitting stupidly for 30+ hours hearing what you could read faster. "

I mean, I know. I could easily study for the quiz just searching on my browser on my phone illicitly, And either way, I could get a higher score surfing on the web for related knowledge instead of listen to Ms. Whatever's boring speech of whatever it is. I know I could afford self-education, And I certainly prefer it, But there are people who can't. There are people who can't access the internet nor even loose books. School is the only place before the age of 16 that they can be offered information other than their parents. Taking the right of talking back for them certainly wasn't ethical, Was it?

"SO They are in Position of Power over you, Limited defenseless student. They Probably won't remember you even existed in 6 months. A Year or two if you are lucky/ unlucky. Your Teacher don't care. Usually, Overzealous ones do so for their own advancement not yours. "

I understand where this is going, But the fact is teacher make mistakes and sometimes you have no chance of escaping this teacher. You just cannot without learning absolutely nulleth. Teacher may make mistakes too, And student have the right of respond as a feedback. Give me a reason why a autonomous totalitarianism would, And should be enforced in the classroom.

"It will just create Trouble and Your Parent/ Legal Representative has obviously better use of his time than being summoned for your Behaviour. "
"IT IS NOT YOUR INDIVIDUAL INTEREST TO THROW A TANTRUM. IGNORE IT. "

As a not-normal kid in school that can rebel and get A's and B's at the same time, My parents are just prouder each time they got called with the flaw of the teacher being obvious as heavens of hell. I don't throw tantrums, Ever, In front of a teacher, I take, And suggest rational ideas, But no, School just ignores it and says I am the insane one before I can say that I have more facts on the computer just behind my back, Saved and compressed into organized files to defend against the logically-flawed teacher.

So the later half, I don't need to quote anything. It is just saying how school is flawed, And we can't complain. The fact is some people can't afford self-education about how to be a billionaire instead of a 9-5 employee. They have no access to libraries, Let alone phones and computers. Saying school is bad so far is escaping the problem, And leaving it unsolved. The fact, Is that this debate is created for the sole sake for solving it, Not leaving it behind pretending it never existed. The people that have to go to school, Having no right for defending themselves, Certainly exist in the world. Leaving this problem would not make them less defenseless, And making them as free as possible as long they don't end up in the state prison committing misdemeanors every single week, Or such. Giving them freedom is not bad, Certainly, And your job is to prove to me why they should be defenseless in school, And why they should not scramble for freedom, And why they should not fight for their right of say.

Argument done, Anything left to say?
BuchananMein

Pro

Well Well Well.
**first a Historical Perspective:
(continental) Europe Has been defeated twice (WWI WWII) and since is a dying Continent (end of colonialism, Triumph of Foreign liberalism, Technological decline, End of Nations Ferocity, Native demographic collapse etc). The Death of a Civilisation.
{yeah the German Mein is here for a reason)/

Even the neutral Sweden in the 1969 abandon a more meritocratic, Scientific focused and Openly Hierarchical system, Folkskola (physical pain induced) for softer, Egalitarian regime. Where Authority of the Individual Teacher is in Decline yet Bureaucracy is ever stronger. Hypocrisy and Inefficiency designed on Purpose.

Possibly China is Different (I doubt, Japan a country I have known a bit, Is still very similar to that system used to be because to Industrialize they Westernized themselves in the End of the XIX century where USA Values where mainly American not Global values as of today),

In the (not so) good old times (before the 60's, ) if you contesting you're teacher lesson or being a pain (chatting or lse) he could say "right or wrong, In this room, I am the teacher and i will hit you/ spank you (after the 1930's), That's call Hierarchy. We Are Not Equals, Now scram".

It was a Learning about the actual Functioning of Society. And we had far better Educational Results (obviously tough minded, Rich & competitive society produced better results for the members of the said Society).

What You Call Totalitarian is the functioning of the Workforce. (totalitarian which is Obviously exaggerated, You're teacher did Not asked you to kill or maim one of yours Fellows, Or even spying him).

Coercion and Constraint Define a Society. Deal with it. **

To Resume the Argument:

I) The Perfections of Humankind.
Why Teacher are not Perfect and Retorting is USELESS.

QUOTE: " I am tired of those "You don't matter" demotivationals made by the teachers in between the classes"
that's TRUE. How Many Teachers did you Endure: Dozens? Hundred? Do you even remember them all?

Your Teacher you don't care about you; temporary Warden. You could be eaten by a Shark they won't care. Reciprocity is Also True.
The Bureaucracy don't care either for the Individual Teacher.

It is not Demotivational, The System is not made for you (or Anyone with a functioning brain truly), It is a Brain-washing Machine. It Should possibly Motivate you to learn how to make You own path. And Talking Back in Itself is Useless. Likewise Talking to Siri or a Wall is inherently useless excepted if you get something for Yourself in the process.

I* THE Right of talking back

QUOTE: "right of talking back made me smarter"
No. Possibly as many Before and After you, You saw Fallacy and want to cope with them, Because you are not entirely dumb. Good for you, You will read the FED report instead of CNN. But Talking back don't increase your IQ.

And You Have no Right of Talking back. Under what law or legal custom?

QUOTE: "automatic privilege of randomly shutting any suggestion of the students may cause more harm than good. According to this logic Kim Jong Un. . . "
The Privilege Exist. For a Reason good or Bad, This is not a Morality Debate but a Opportunity based Debate.

QUOTE "that doesn't hinder the right to talk back rationally and ignore the totalitarian regime the teacher"

A Reasonable person would not Contradict Kim Jong Un in North Korea. School is North Korea. USA is North Korea (your words have consequences at least, Say Hello the IRS that control GOP member and got caught under Obama ). Even More Deutschland or France Are North Korea (Jail await you for some political Stance, Some factually true some wrongs).

You Operate within A Frame.
Leave the Frame First then Criticized it with all your bitterness from Safety. Or Better, Move on.

QUOTE: "This argument of yours had gotten me offended as even if I know how hard it is to be a teacher"
12 Old Children in the Volkssturm did not got the times to get Offended. Your Feelings are Yours, Keep it to yourself (i have no intent to "hurt you" with my mighty keyboard, But it was quite funny).

IV) PIPE DREAM UNIVERSE OF PERFECT SCHOOL
QUOTE "It is just saying how school is flawed, And we can't complain. The fact is some people can't afford self-education about how to be a billionaire instead of a 9-5 employee"
(Really billionaire? )

99% of Population in the USA/EUROPE/JAPAN/CHILE can Afford Self-Education, Really. But that being able to and Having
the Will to do it is Different.

Wanna to Be a Revolutionnary Socialist youngling? Be one. Usually they End up Corrupted Liar or Dead (very few). But Talking Back Won"t help you to change it. Your Average Teacher is a Nobody, He means no harm nor no good.

I Note that You did not oppose to II) SCHOOL IS NOT A COMPANY and
III) POLITICAL NATURE OF SCHOOL, Probably because you Agree with the Factual Statement even if It is Clear you hope for changes. And A common teacher is not your Adversary. Just a Woman doing her Work which she may or not disagree with.

As for Your Parent welcoming your Burst of Philantropic "let's help other People" "Teacher a Wrong, ".
They are Surely Chinese so i don't know their Culture. In the Western World, Gramsci Italian Socialist worded Perfectly "Optimism of Will, Pessimism of Reason".
The West Is Obviously, Irredeemably Rotten. Opposing Frontaly is not our Culture, For those who try Never Suceeded.
French Revolution 1789? Bourgeois Dictatorship. German Revolution 1848? SAme attempt, Failed Gambit.
those who are doing are usually:

a) Rich and their parents and themselves latter will be engage in the Bourgeoisie Rentier that want to cull any futur competition for their children, In a Very Caste Like system
b) Useless Brain-washed sheep, NPC.
c) dead Ones.

Did someone ask to intervene as a Proxy for

Which mean the Average teacher is a subservient employee and barely more than a cog in a Machine. **

Since
China
Debate Round No. 2
anc2006

Con

Wow, Nice debate here.

But still, I disagree with you.

So far, You have responded to none of these questions, And if you don't I will coast to a victory, Because meaningless details of social studies will not hep in an argument solely dedicated to as if students can talk back.

1) What does the teacher own that makes the students not able to talk back? Answer that.
2) What if a student cannot afford self-education and have to go to school? Or worse yet, What about a person that hates studying and does not like self-education but still talk back logically? What will the teacher do?
3) If we should not go to school, Why are there so many people going to there, Knowing they will be unable to even share their ideas when theirs and the teacher's collide?
4) What is bad talking back to teachers other than getting sit out or. Such? Does the action of talking back to teachers make us dumber or worse in social skills? Even the rational and logical ones?
5) Since our discussions are getting a little out of topic, I would renown my opinion that students should be able to talk back to teachers, When rational. We should teach them to how to be logical, Instead of obedience. But you: have listed nothing, Literally, Other than that you will be punished if you do so. LITERALLY NONE OTHER. Punishment in school does not include like, Death sentence or 20 years in jail. Those punishments barely even distract me. Anyways, So if so, Do you have any other reasons, Such as if we get dumber or less social? Because so far your argument have NOTHING in my side of land of claiming. You have written NONE of the reasons that are still a bit useful. Punishment is not a "bad" thing. Your life doesn't end when your English club teacher calls your parent. Failing students can be millionaires. Only school punishment does not matter here. You need other reasons. OK?
6) Does talking back give us negative mental and physical effects? I am saying this one last time. I don't need sleep. I need answers.

This argument is kind of compact. One is because I am illicitly typing this in bed, The other is because if I continue with my "quote-comment" style, It will be more out-of-topic and I know I can't argue over you on sole punishments and cons of school, But other than that, Really there are none you are better.
BuchananMein

Pro

Damn deaf Headstrong, Youngster.
the Argument is not "argument solely dedicated to as if students can talk back. " but if a Student "SHOULD".
Of Course anyone has the physical ability to Speak.

And yes, In a Society, Social Studies, Are relevant, According to their reliability.


Every of your argument has been answered with detail of your Quote. . .
And you have no proven your point of the PRO. Only "it is unfair".

1) SOCIAL Hierarchy. AUthority. He is a Teacher. A Status. His Job is to speak your is to listen. To Follow the State Curricula so talking back of him will change nothing, Only to throw a teen tantrum.

If every damn student start giving his opinion, Class will be an eternal mess, Forever. Likewise in a Company you can disagree with your boss on "Rational Basis". You will possibly get fired.

2) What in the world? You go to School, You Go To School. People get worse in their life.
That's how it is work. It is not a place where a 8-16 years old debate his beliefs. The Teachers are individual with their own individual Beliefs and Knowledge. Yet they Transmit the Official Program (for which they are payed) and do not engage Argument with Children.

3) First there is Only Two Kind of People that got to school:
the ones paid to and the one COMPELLED by the LAW (orphan) or their PARENTS to go.
School is not a Social Club. Colliding is normal. Shutting up is also normal, Because they will be pupils disagreeing with each others, Or worse with the Teaching Corp. Teacher disagreeing with each other.
Endless Mess, Bothering everyone. BOTHERING STUDENTS AS WELL.
School is not a Chaos club.

4) "Does the action of talking back to teachers make us dumber or worse in social skills"
You first claim it made you smarter. Now you claim otherwise. Not talking back don't make you dumber. Happy?
Just Show your lack of understanding of how the Cogs work. In fact, More mature Student may find you a bit dumb to challenge the Authority without way to win, But that's another topic. Or don't want to hear you again and again standing as the White Knight, Proxy without procuration.

You Could obviously if asked a sensitive Question, Mention that you disagree but not argue, Claiming that is not the place nor the moment. The sensible thing to do.

So Kinda worsen the social perception of you, Possibly.



5) You can Talk back. You probably Should not. Even with logic.
Example: Maybe in the USA the Program is Evolution Theory of Darwin or God created us Equals. . . . (probably according to each jurisdiction).
But the Teacher will not be allowed to communicate his opinion on the Matter even, If he was secretly disagreeing like you.
He read what he is paid to read mostly. Go Collide with the Ministry.

6) No Talking bad won't make you deaf. The listeners it depend.

Once More it is a Personal Perception, But as a Whole Student going to school, Should know, (and many knows it whether by instinct or because someone told them) what to expect. Not Much. A TOP DOWN system.

"Certainly, And your job is to prove to me why they should be defenseless in school, And why they should not scramble for freedom"

Your Job is to Prove Your Assertion beyond just I have rights (or I claim to have rights, Without being a lawyer).
Students are Defenseless, The System work a it is. So In this Condition Talking back is only an Hindrance at best.
To Change it, Better grow up, And become USA president (even he can't really do as he like).

Beyond, I am not claiming the EDUCTIONAL System you criticize is Good, Is simply underline it exist, Flawed, Defective and designed to be what he is. So Rational Argument don't change anything against bad faith or conflict of interest. Only Strength do (2nd amendment exist for a reason). Reality Matter.


Debate Over.




Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
"I believe you should be able to say anything you like, To an educator. Even advance on one. And I further believe educators should be armed with military weaponry, Trained to use it, Ready to use it, And exempt from prosecution, Re: any act committed on the job. "

Ok, So if I argue back LOGICALLY with EVIDENCE, Then she can shoot me with a gun. That escalated quickly.
Posted by MyacronymissimplyCEE 2 years ago
MyacronymissimplyCEE
I believe you should be able to say anything you like, To an educator. Even advance on one. And I further believe educators should be armed with military weaponry, Trained to use it, Ready to use it, And exempt from prosecution, Re: any act committed on the job.

You want a level playing field, Junior? The Enemy Gets Stuff, Too.
Posted by Leaning 2 years ago
Leaning
I agree there are reasons for talking back as well.
Just my viewpoint, That in general talking back to teachers isn't something encouraged.

Personally I can't speak for or against your circumstances, As I don't know them precisely.
Is there an example of a situation in which 'you would talk back?
Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
"True, Wanting to avoid trouble can be a reason that a person thinks they should not talk back to a teacher. "

I mean, I definitely agree, But to my instance in which there are either nothing more to win, Or nothing else to lose, The only circumstance I wouldn't talk back to teachers is that I agree with them at at least one third within the problem. This, I mean, Is covering almost 100% of the time. I don't talk back to anyone unless I can't escape him/her and we really do disagree.
Posted by Leaning 2 years ago
Leaning
True, Wanting to avoid trouble can be a reason that a person thinks they should not talk back to a teacher.
Posted by BuchananMein 2 years ago
BuchananMein
If a teaching Someone Try to maim / assault you (or grave danger), The natural reflex is not arguing but fight or flight.
So obviously it is not a debate about pure obedience, But to the opportunity of arguing with someone that you should not bother with your opinion.
To speak for others you must have a power delegation or a proxy.
As for the "We" part of the Debate, Since We was not defined, It was translated into "I".
Posted by Leaning 2 years ago
Leaning
Exact meaning bothers me at times, Though other times I myself ignore it, Willfully or lazily.
If the debate was "There are times when it can be justifiable to talk back to a teacher", I'd have no argument.
Though in those same times it can also be justifiable to 'not talk back to a teacher. I tend to overcomplicate thoughts unnecessarily at times, Perhaps.
Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
I mean, You are correct Leaning, But the point of this debate is that I am convincing that students should talk back whenever they think it is worth it, Not everywhere nor nowhere.
Posted by Leaning 2 years ago
Leaning
My view on it all would be that the statement
We should not talk back to teachers
Ought be viewed as a blanket statement, In which there is a common held understanding that there are exceptions to the rule.
Generally teachers are supposed to be temporary guardians, Instructors of certain aspects of life. It's expected that we show respect, Obedience. It just happens to be a sliding scale of such certain situations are acceptable to talk back or not, Depending on your culture.

"I already know how to do these math problems teacher, Shouldn't I be excused? "
Most people, I'd imagine would say that is not such a time to talk back.

"Teacher, You 'can't give Ricky a peanut butter sandwich, He's allergic. "
Most people, I'd imagine would say talk back.

"Teacher, It is unjust of you to beat us with a cane till we bleed if we fail to answer math questions correctly. It's counter intuitive as it ruins a persons desire to learn and replaces it with a blind panic of avoid pain. It's the method of a grown bully, Lording his power over those weaker than himself. "
Most people, I'd imagine would say talk back.
Or not, Since it might get you beaten harder.

There's plenty of exceptions, But the general rule it seems to me is obedience and respect to a guardian.
Can't say I ever recall a situation where I thought I ought or would like to talk back to a teacher. Maybe bad memory, Maybe different school and teachers, Maybe just you and I different people.
Posted by anc2006 2 years ago
anc2006
So far, Maybe is because of my lack of knowledge, But my opponent here sure demonstrate some qualities of nihilism.
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