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backwardseden
Pro (for)
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AnnonEMoos
Con (against)

What is Atheism? Why be an atheist? What do atheists believe? What is agnosticism? Pride in atheism

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Started: 6/17/2019 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Debating Period
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backwardseden

Pro

Taken from: Atheist Alliance International
Atheism is very simple, Yet widely misunderstood. The word atheism comprises the word theism with the prefix ‘a’. So let’s break it down. Theism is the belief in a god or gods. The prefix ‘a’ means; ‘without’ or ‘lack of’. Therefore, atheism means ‘without a belief in a god or gods’ or the ‘lack of a belief in a god or gods’.

We often hear theists say, “If you don’t believe in God, You must believe God does not exist! ” but this is simply wrong. Lacking a belief in a god does not entail believing that no gods exist. A person could reasonably say she doesn’t know if any gods exist, And there are none that she currently believes in.

This issue is the single biggest misunderstanding about atheism. Fortunately, There is a neat way to show why it’s wrong. A god either exists, Or it doesn’t. There are only two possibilities.

Now, Imagine I’m holding a bag of coins and I claim there’s an even number of coins in the bag. A bag of coins either has an even number of coins or an odd number. Like a god’s existence, There are only two possibilities. If you are not able to check my claim by counting the coins, You won’t know if my claim is true so you should not believe me. But that does not mean that you must believe there is an odd number of coins in the bag. You don’t have the evidence to take a view on it, So you shouldn’t believe either possibility.

It is not necessary for an atheist to claim that no gods exist, Nevertheless, Some do. People often call this position hard atheism. Hard atheism is atheism with the additional conviction that there are no gods anywhere either inside, Or outside, Of the universe.

Why be an atheist?

Sometimes theists are thoroughly perplexed by atheism. The way they see the world, Not believing in a god is bizarre—bordering on madness. So let’s look at why people are atheists. There are several reasons people lack a belief in gods; we will discuss just two.

Some people are atheists simply because they have never been taught to be theists. People raised by an atheist family in an atheistic society may never be exposed to the idea of gods (except in history books), So they grow up with no belief in them. Remember, People do not suddenly become Christians, Muslims, Hindus or whatever. Children raised in religious families in religious societies are trained to be Christians, Muslims or Hindus.

A significant proportion of atheists in the world today are atheists because they were not taught to be anything else.

Other atheists were taught to believe in a god or gods but decided it didn’t make sense so they abandoned their belief.

Let’s look at one scenario. Arif was born a Muslim but he knows there are around 5 billion people in the world who believe in different religions and, Often, In different gods. He wonders if there is a good reason to be a Muslim rather than something else, But cannot find anything compelling.

He worries that the arguments Muslims use to ‘prove’ their god exists are the exact same arguments others use to ‘prove’ their god exists. He knows there are some big questions that science cannot answer, Such as “Where did the universe come from? ” and God is used to answerthose questions. But he realizes there is a possibility that science may answer those questions one day. And even if it never does, An unanswered question does not mean the particular god Abraham dreamed about 3, 500 years ago must be real. Arif knows thousands of people have dreamed of thousands of gods and created thousands of religions. He knows men invent gods and religions. What is special about Abraham’s god?

After much thought, Arif sees that his belief is really based on faith, And not on incontrovertible evidence. And he sees that the Christian’s belief and the Hindu’s belief is also founded on faith. With a little more thought he concludes that faith is not a way to distinguish what is true from what is false—it is a way to justify whatever you happen to believe. Different people believe completely contradictory things on faith, So it has no value as a way to decide what is true.

At this point Arif has no reasons left to believe in his god, So he becomes an atheist.

This journey of discovery, Or something rather like it, Is the journey millions of people have taken to become atheists. If you ask any of these people why they are atheists, You would get a similar answer, “Because there are no good reasons to believe in gods; and Iwon’tbelieve in them for bad reasons. ”

What do atheists believe?

There is nothing you have to believe to be an atheist. Not believing in any god, Is the only qualification required. Beyond that, An atheist can believe in anything at all.

So being an atheist, Says nothing about a person’s politics, Attitude towards LGBT rights or views on gun control, Abortion, Church/state separation or anything else. In principle, An atheist could believe in fairies, Although the thinking that leads to unbelief in gods, In most cases leads to unbelief in other things that cannot be shown to be real. Consequently, Atheists most likely will not believe in Satan, Demons, Angels, Karma, Heaven, Hell or anything else that relies on the supernatural but, In principle, They could.

What is agnosticism?

Theism and atheism tell us about a person’s belief in gods. Agnosticism and Gnosticism tell us what a person claims to know, Not what they believe. Because atheism and agnosticism are different things, It is possible to be both an atheist and an agnostic. An agnostic atheist does not believe in any gods but does not claim to know that no gods exist.

It works the same with theism. It is possible to be an agnostic theist—a person who believes in God but does not claim to know God exists. In practice though, Most believers are gnostic theists—they believe in God and claim to know God exists. Interestingly, Most atheists are agnostic atheists.

Some people self-describe as agnostic when they cannot decide what to believe. That’s fine, But if they do not actually believe in a god, They are not theists, So they must be atheists.

Pride in atheism

Over centuries, Theists have denigrated atheists. Stories have circulated that atheists are immoral, Dishonest and untrustworthy, That atheists hate God and love Satan and that atheists ignore God so they can behave however they like. If we look at countries where most people are atheists, We can see such allegations are not true.

Atheists are humans and you will find good and bad, But if you compare atheistic countries with very religious ones, You are likely to see atheistic countries have lower crimes rates and less dysfunctional behavior. For example, Figure 1 shows the relationship between religiosity (the percentage of people who say religion is important in their lives) and intentional homicide rates. All of the high homicide rate countries are very religious but none of the low homicide rate countries are. (Note that the Y axis– Homicide Rate is drawn on a logarithmic scale! )

These baseless allegations against atheists have been made for so long that the word atheism is now seen as tarnished and many people avoid it, Even though they have no belief in gods. Consequently, Some atheists self-identify as freethinkers, Skeptics, Secularists, Agnostics, Non-believers and more. That is a pity. Atheism has a long history and it describes an intellectually honorable viewpoint simply and precisely. We vote to use it with pride.


Rules:
1. Prove that atheism is something that is not to be accepted and that gods or a god especially the god of the bible is true and is to be accepted.
2. Test, Demonstrate and assert the reasons (yes that's plural) why you believe this to be true.

Dsjpk5 is disqualified from the voting procedures as he tries to pretend he's god and thus change the voting structure of who wins and loses here on DDO.

AnnonEMoos

Con

Firstly i refuse to argue the form of god as stated in the bible, That'd be like saying Santa Claus is real, And that goes for all bibles, However to refute that god does not exist period would also inevitably be wrong. To find god first you have to know that in most bibles its a Metaphor/Explanation for the actions of humans. A way to describe how small things seem to echo through coincidence, Which could easily be explained via string theory shuffle an atom here pulls an invisible thread there, However as is the case in the christian bible at least god is also the understanding that everything started as a singular point, I. E. Before the big bang. And then created everything else, As none of us were there we can only assume through evolution, As that's what the remains of the past tell us, Though with that in mind i think god is simply the interconnectedness of every atom as they drift through the cosmos, And what are humans but atoms that learned to think, So maybe you were to quick to Judge Dsjpk5 when he claimed to be god, Though of course that is admittedly crazy as we are all atoms. Though i also believe that said interconnectedness could be used beside belief to power placebo to the point that a miracle can be performed but placebo only works if you you believe it will so don't get your hopes up.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

Well, First of all, You like most christians, YOU CAN'T READ. Typical. Do you know what "reading" is? You know. Words. Sentences. Apparently not.
Rules:
1. Prove that atheism is something that is not to be accepted and that gods or a god especially the god of the bible is true and is to be accepted.
2. Test, Demonstrate and assert the reasons (yes that's plural) why you believe this to be true.
So I do have the right to terminate this debate. You do get that - correct? Nah. But again, You can't read. So let's continue.

String Theory? Its odd because my lifelong friend and I were just talking about it just the other day and most scientists have long since abandoned it as being bogus gunk.

"However as is the case in the christian bible at least god is also the understanding that everything started as a singular point, I. E. Before the big bang. " What understanding? There's no understanding considering that nobody, In the entire existence of the human race has proven that the god of the bible has ever existed. Oh it gets better because no god would be stupid enough, Not ever, Not for any reason to use text, Namely the bible as a form of communication, The worst form of communication possible.

"Though with that in mind i think god is simply the interconnectedness of every atom" That's not referring to god, But what it is referring to is Gaia Mother Earth. And that in combination with evolution is a proven fact. There's a masterpiece series on Netflix from National Geographic called "One Strange Rock" and on Amazon Prime from PBS named Native America also a masterpiece series both released last year to 100% prove this. Granted, I've always known this but its finally been vindicated.

Btw, Dsjpk5 is worthless scum of the earth with doll parts up his you know where areas pretending to be the failure of a yodeling Buddhist monk.
AnnonEMoos

Con

of course i can read i find it easier to skim however as i waste less time that way, Though i believe i covered all of your arguments.

In my first argument, I keep em short and sweet to avoid confusion, However to sum it up for you i say that i believe there is a god, However i believe that that god is moire of an idea, Formed by the interconnectedness of atoms, And transience of ideas.
i know that makes me sound crazy right but before you get perplexed it clearly states god is a figment of the imagination caused by the randomnimity of atoms but just like santa claus we say he exists, Because its rude to threaten disbelief, Especially since imagination has done so many great things for this planet.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

Nevermind. Bye.
AnnonEMoos

Con

Is this a forfeit? Are you unable to defend your disbelief in god? Can we even believe anything you say now? If you can't even come up with a decent argument for it without stealing the words. Or is that it you just run out of words on the
pre-made document your using. That's how you got the bolds and underlines right.
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19 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by missmedic 2 years ago
missmedic
hi
Posted by Dr.Franklin 2 years ago
Dr.Franklin
hi faggot
Posted by Turk082 2 years ago
Turk082
If you don"t want my links, No need. Just type on your search engine "VJ One True religion" and it will come up. Your Webroot will detect no viruses and you may debate him at leisure.

PS he is not a Christian. He is a rational Hindu. He even believes in one God.
Posted by Turk082 2 years ago
Turk082
Read this:

He wants you to come to him. He thinks you are scared because you run away from "the Truth" and wish not to debate him. He wants to prove you wrong, And evidently show that you are current devolving and not evolving, But you must go to his sight. If you don"t want my links, No need. Just type on your search engine "VJ One True religion" and it will come up. Your Webroot will detect no viruses and you may debate him at leisure.

PS he is not a Christian. He is a rational Hindu. He even believes in one God.
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
If he refuses to come back to DDO, We're done. I didn't read anything else you had to say. Bye.
Posted by Turk082 2 years ago
Turk082
He says you may pick the topics. But he refuses to come back to DDO. He wants you to come to him. He thinks you are scared because you run away from "the Truth" and wish not to debate him. He wants to prove you wrong, And evidently show that you are current devolving and not evolving, But you must go to his sight. If you don"t want my links, No need. Just type on your search engine "VJ One True religion" and it will come up. Your Webroot will detect no viruses and you may debate him at leisure.

PS he is not a Christian. He is a rational Hindu. He even believes in one God.
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
Trust you? Nope. Sorry.
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
You can invent all the excuses you want. I---don't---care. If he doesn't want to debate me here on DDO, That his problem, Not mine. And as far as I'm concerned, He's just an invention of yours until he comes in over here and pretends that he wishes to debate me. Oh and btw, Should he decide to have this friendly little debate, The subject(s) will be of my choosing and he will have ab-so-lu-te-ly no pick of the litter since YOU idolize him so much. AND should he invent his excuses, In which I'm sure he will because this the christian/ jewish way to promote his idiocies for something in which he has absolutely no idea in which he is squawking about and yet he pretends that he does, And believe me I will know the difference, Just as I do know with you, And its so ridiculously easy to spot, Then I will pulverize him with my brand of insults that are original, That have no humility, That are dumb, Stupid, Gone from this universe, That will probably dehumanize, Demoralize, And embarrass your so-called (sorry I called your friend a friend last post because we both know you don't have any) friend into the plague that your unproven god who truly hates children and is thus completely imoral of print most certainly is, In which is what you bow down to and worship with your holier than holy tentacles bursting out. Now if you or he does not like it, Too bad. He's gonna have to deal with it. AND to be fair, I will let him know. AND if he takes things too far into the absolutely pathetic and truly stupid area, I may end up forfeiting the debate. Again, I will give the reasoning. I'm NOT here to please you or him. I'm NOT here to make friends on the dampened sweaty loincloth either, Though sometimes I do. Btw, Guess when, Why and how this happens? Nah. That's far too much for YOU to consider.
Posted by Turk082 2 years ago
Turk082
But he really wants you to go and debate him there. He"s been to DDO before and doesn"t like it. He likes his site where all are welcome. And it"s not a virus. I"m not giving you a virus. Trust me. Here is his site below, And unless you are afraid to lose your faith in atheism, Because it is definitely a religion, Then you should be eager to debate him. As
once told me, Wisely, "The rational concept of an atheist attacking god is only the tip of the iceberg. "

Go to www. Vjsingh. Info/

Enjoy
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
@Turk082 - Ah yes. I remember now. Such a teeny bopper enthusiast ideal that is completely snot meat sow cabbage batbrain dimwitted dullard choke to the you know where areas lost in his concrete parachuting class of sheer arrogance. Here's how things work. . . You get your friend, Whoever he may be to come here and debate me here. I'm not going to crawl and sink to YOUR level, Not ever, Not for any reason, Which is exactly what it is. Nor am I going to take the chance that you are going to send me to a site that is going to give my computer a virus. Been there. Done that several times. It ain't gonna happen with a nobody like you. Got it? If you don't like it, That just too bad cuddled bra sniffles. Oh and btw, When you are telling me to debate someone else, That "someone who HAS answered ALL your questions" is simply silly, Because you do not even know what my questions are as you are in no possible way intelligent enough to, Nor can you read my mind and in you stating as such this tells me and the world that you cannot debate me as well as someone who has an intelligence and an education that is below me. Yeah you complete moron, You stepped in your own caca for the runs that you made for yourself. Bye ditty bye bye. Have fun playing with your meatball mind brain. You had your chance. You blew it. Wow did you blow it.
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