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backwardseden
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Mao_Zedongs_Son
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What is Atheism? Why be an atheist? What do atheists believe? What is agnosticism? Pride in atheism

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Started: 8/9/2019 Category: Philosophy
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backwardseden

Pro

Taken from: Atheist Alliance International
Atheism is very simple, Yet widely misunderstood. The word atheism comprises the word theism with the prefix ‘a’. So let’s break it down. Theism is the belief in a god or gods. The prefix ‘a’ means; ‘without’ or ‘lack of’. Therefore, atheism means ‘without a belief in a god or gods’ or the ‘lack of a belief in a god or gods’.

We often hear theists say, “If you don’t believe in God, You must believe God does not exist! ” but this is simply wrong. Lacking a belief in a god does not entail believing that no gods exist. A person could reasonably say she doesn’t know if any gods exist, And there are none that she currently believes in.

This issue is the single biggest misunderstanding about atheism. Fortunately, There is a neat way to show why it’s wrong. A god either exists, Or it doesn’t. There are only two possibilities.

Now, Imagine I’m holding a bag of coins and I claim there’s an even number of coins in the bag. A bag of coins either has an even number of coins or an odd number. Like a god’s existence, There are only two possibilities. If you are not able to check my claim by counting the coins, You won’t know if my claim is true so you should not believe me. But that does not mean that you must believe there is an odd number of coins in the bag. You don’t have the evidence to take a view on it, So you shouldn’t believe either possibility.

It is not necessary for an atheist to claim that no gods exist, Nevertheless, Some do. People often call this position hard atheism. Hard atheism is atheism with the additional conviction that there are no gods anywhere either inside, Or outside, Of the universe.

Why be an atheist?

Sometimes theists are thoroughly perplexed by atheism. The way they see the world, Not believing in a god is bizarre—bordering on madness. So let’s look at why people are atheists. There are several reasons people lack a belief in gods; we will discuss just two.

Some people are atheists simply because they have never been taught to be theists. People raised by an atheist family in an atheistic society may never be exposed to the idea of gods (except in history books), So they grow up with no belief in them. Remember, People do not suddenly become Christians, Muslims, Hindus or whatever. Children raised in religious families in religious societies are trained to be Christians, Muslims or Hindus.

A significant proportion of atheists in the world today are atheists because they were not taught to be anything else.

Other atheists were taught to believe in a god or gods but decided it didn’t make sense so they abandoned their belief.

Let’s look at one scenario. Arif was born a Muslim but he knows there are around 5 billion people in the world who believe in different religions and, Often, In different gods. He wonders if there is a good reason to be a Muslim rather than something else, But cannot find anything compelling.

He worries that the arguments Muslims use to ‘prove’ their god exists are the exact same arguments others use to ‘prove’ their god exists. He knows there are some big questions that science cannot answer, Such as “Where did the universe come from? ” and God is used to answerthose questions. But he realizes there is a possibility that science may answer those questions one day. And even if it never does, An unanswered question does not mean the particular god Abraham dreamed about 3, 500 years ago must be real. Arif knows thousands of people have dreamed of thousands of gods and created thousands of religions. He knows men invent gods and religions. What is special about Abraham’s god?

After much thought, Arif sees that his belief is really based on faith, And not on incontrovertible evidence. And he sees that the Christian’s belief and the Hindu’s belief is also founded on faith. With a little more thought he concludes that faith is not a way to distinguish what is true from what is false—it is a way to justify whatever you happen to believe. Different people believe completely contradictory things on faith, So it has no value as a way to decide what is true.

At this point Arif has no reasons left to believe in his god, So he becomes an atheist.

This journey of discovery, Or something rather like it, Is the journey millions of people have taken to become atheists. If you ask any of these people why they are atheists, You would get a similar answer, “Because there are no good reasons to believe in gods; and Iwon’tbelieve in them for bad reasons. ”

What do atheists believe?

There is nothing you have to believe to be an atheist. Not believing in any god, Is the only qualification required. Beyond that, An atheist can believe in anything at all.

So being an atheist, Says nothing about a person’s politics, Attitude towards LGBT rights or views on gun control, Abortion, Church/state separation or anything else. In principle, An atheist could believe in fairies, Although the thinking that leads to unbelief in gods, In most cases leads to unbelief in other things that cannot be shown to be real. Consequently, Atheists most likely will not believe in Satan, Demons, Angels, Karma, Heaven, Hell or anything else that relies on the supernatural but, In principle, They could.

What is agnosticism?

Theism and atheism tell us about a person’s belief in gods. Agnosticism and Gnosticism tell us what a person claims to know, Not what they believe. Because atheism and agnosticism are different things, It is possible to be both an atheist and an agnostic. An agnostic atheist does not believe in any gods but does not claim to know that no gods exist.

It works the same with theism. It is possible to be an agnostic theist—a person who believes in God but does not claim to know God exists. In practice though, Most believers are gnostic theists—they believe in God and claim to know God exists. Interestingly, Most atheists are agnostic atheists.

Some people self-describe as agnostic when they cannot decide what to believe. That’s fine, But if they do not actually believe in a god, They are not theists, So they must be atheists.

Pride in atheism

Over centuries, Theists have denigrated atheists. Stories have circulated that atheists are immoral, Dishonest and untrustworthy, That atheists hate God and love Satan and that atheists ignore God so they can behave however they like. If we look at countries where most people are atheists, We can see such allegations are not true.

Atheists are humans and you will find good and bad, But if you compare atheistic countries with very religious ones, You are likely to see atheistic countries have lower crimes rates and less dysfunctional behavior. For example, Figure 1 shows the relationship between religiosity (the percentage of people who say religion is important in their lives) and intentional homicide rates. All of the high homicide rate countries are very religious but none of the low homicide rate countries are. (Note that the Y axis– Homicide Rate is drawn on a logarithmic scale! )

These baseless allegations against atheists have been made for so long that the word atheism is now seen as tarnished and many people avoid it, Even though they have no belief in gods. Consequently, Some atheists self-identify as freethinkers, Skeptics, Secularists, Agnostics, Non-believers and more. That is a pity. Atheism has a long history and it describes an intellectually honorable viewpoint simply and precisely. We vote to use it with pride.


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Prove that atheism is something that is not to be accepted and that gods or a god especially the god of the bible is true and is to be accepted. Test, Demonstrate and assert the reasons (yes that's plural) why you believe this to be true.

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Mao_Zedongs_Son

Con

If you are a atheist, You have nothing to love for and nothing to live by. So, Come and follow the word of my dad, Mao Zedong and fulfill your destiny. Go on amazon and look up "Mao Zedong Little Red Book"
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

Not even worth responding to. Oh and btw teeny bopper, Buddhism is not a religion. Bye.
Mao_Zedongs_Son

Con

Did you just say Buddhism is not a religion. . .
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Posted by Mao_Zedongs_Son 2 years ago
Mao_Zedongs_Son
you are an atheist right backwardseden?
Posted by Mao_Zedongs_Son 2 years ago
Mao_Zedongs_Son
why are you ignoring my question?
Posted by Mao_Zedongs_Son 2 years ago
Mao_Zedongs_Son
i really haven't learned much from you because you've only given me evidence that i can't apply any of it to, Your argument tactics are really really bad.
Posted by Mao_Zedongs_Son 2 years ago
Mao_Zedongs_Son
i ask you a simple question, What is your argument in your own words. In real life you won't always have the internet to speak for you. Honestly, I am trying to help you.
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
Haven't had the time to read it teeny bopper. Tell you what. . . Since you think you are so smort, Oh sorry, Smart, Why don't you get your a$$ up and make a phone call to The Atheist Experience. It is a nonprofit show that is on every single Sunday at 5:30pm EST. That's RIGHT NOW! Btw, The Atheist Experience, They ---always--- take theist idiot morons like you at the front of their queue. But nah. I know teeny boppers like you. You are too fragile, Frail and chicken to make that call. Wow. You might actually learn something. DDO does not take numbers otherwise I'd type the actual number in. Btw, You can find them on youtube should you not wish to call in because your brain is far too fractured and disassembled to make that call. Simply type in Atheist Experience. And, Duh, Go from there.
Posted by Mao_Zedongs_Son 2 years ago
Mao_Zedongs_Son
because right now your jumbling words, Plagiarizing, And trying to roast your opponent which doesn't make you sound very smart. Its really hard to take you seriously, So in order to have a man to man conversation, You'll need to mature and use your own words and belief, Because right now, It is a man(me) to middle schooler(backwardsemen) conversation.
Posted by Mao_Zedongs_Son 2 years ago
Mao_Zedongs_Son
and instead of coping and pasting roasts and evidence from internet, I need to know your side of the argument in your own words.
Posted by Mao_Zedongs_Son 2 years ago
Mao_Zedongs_Son
you seem like you don't know what your saying because you are finding articles from the internet. The point of this website is to develop your own argument. So saying "clearly didn't know what the f--k he was saying but naturally" is pretty hypocritical.
Posted by Mao_Zedongs_Son 2 years ago
Mao_Zedongs_Son
and what excuses am i making? And what is your argument? You are giving facts about atheism and not commenting on it. My argument is that if atheist, You have nothing to live for and live by. You seem like the one making excuses.
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=_25w9CE73ak - Bill Maher - Atheism IS NOT a Religion
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=qHsFA7cp7M0&t=178s - Atheism a religion?
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=cUh91EP8ClE - The case for Atheism (Richard Carrier)
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=lDpEeHD54Mo&t=1397s - The Gospel According to Carrier
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=mLdjoEWOnec - A believers guide to Atheism in 9 minutes
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=wtO1e9breLs - Is Atheism a Dogmatic Religion?
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=TqhRlpjp4Dw - Atheist VS christian Jaclyn Glenn
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