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FanboyMctroll
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OoDart
Con (against)
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Why do we need guns? We don't

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FanboyMctroll
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/19/2019 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,822 times Debate No: 123008
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FanboyMctroll

Pro

Until the 2'nd amendment is removed from the constitution the needles gun violence will continue in the USA. The NRA, The satanic corporation will always instill fear in scared people about tyrannical governments about intruders and how everyone needs a gun while they rake in billions in sales, While the rest of the population has to suffer with so many victims.

We don't need guns, I pray for the victims of these gun heinous crimes.

Sandy Hook
Columbine
Virginia Tec
Orlando shooting
El Paso shooting
Las Vegas shooting

and all the countless other shooting that occurred because of guns.

Guns need to be banned and the NRA must be deemed a domestic terrorist group and we need to amend the constitution that was written 300 years ago and doesn't apply today
OoDart

Con

Thanks to FanboyMctroll for creating this debate.

First and foremost I want to emphasize that I also pray for the victims of all violence. It is unfortunate that these horrible shootings have occurred and I hope the United States can figure out a way to prevent these crimes.

First, Let's look at the facts.
1. 26 to 35% of mass shootings in the U. S. A. From 1982 to present used guns that were illegally obtained. Illegalizing guns would not have prevented these shootings from occurring. Worse still, If no one had guns legally, No one would be able to stop shooters with illegal guns.
Statistics from here: https://www. Kunc. Org/post/1982-74-percent-mass-shooters-obtained-their-guns-legally#stream/0
2. It does not take a genius to realize that if someone has a gun, Generally the only way to stop them is with a gun.

I am pro-gun because I support having good people with guns to stop the bad people with guns.
Debate Round No. 1
FanboyMctroll

Pro

I am glad you mentioned people having guns for protection in their homes. So here is some interesting reading for you.

All those wives tales you were told and all those misconceptions about guns for protection, Well they are ll FAKE NEWS created by the NRA to instill fear in you. Here are the hard facts.

The United States has the most heavily armed civilian population in the first world. Our homes contain enough firearms for every man, Woman and child

Why do so many Americans own guns? The main reason according to surveys is protection. Advocates argue that guns in the home both deter crime (criminals refrain from even trying to break in because they fear being shot by an armed citizen) and thwart it (an armed citizen can stop a crime in progress, Preventing injury of theft)

The scientific evidence however provides little support for these arguments. Quite the opposite

In term of deterrence a recent study found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership have higher levels of firearm crime and do not lower levels of other crimes.

Another study found that counties with higher levels of household gun ownership have higher rates of household burglary, Not lower. Burglars like to steal not only cash and jewelry but also guns.

Gun advocates claim that guns are commonly used in self defense and that without a firearm one is essentially at the mercy of the criminal. Yet again that is not what the data shows.

The National Crime Victimization Survey is the primary source of information on the nature and extent of criminal victimization in the United States. Some 90, 000 households compromising of 160, 000 individuals are surveyed twice a year. Sara Solnick a professor of economics at the University of Vermont analyzed the data for 5 years looking at 14, 000 crimes in which there was some degree of personal contact between the victim and perpetrator incidents in which a self protective action by the victim was possible.

More than 42% ot the time the victim took some action, Maced the offender, Yelled at the offender, Struggled, Ran away or called the police. Victims used a gun less than 1% of the incidents.

In more that 300 sexual assaults in those 5 years the number of times a woman was able to use a gun to protect themselves was zero.

Almost two thirds of people in the USA live in homes without gunbs and there is no evidence that the inhabitants of these homes are at greater risk of being robbed, Injured or killed by criminals compared to citizens in homes with guns. Instead the evidence is overwhelming that a gun in a home increases the likelihood not only that a household member will be shot accidently but also that someone in the house will die in a suicide, Homicide or the guns will be used in a shool shooting such as Columbine, Sandy Hook and many others.

Guns do not save lives they KILL PEOPLE. Get rid of guns and the senseless killings will go down. The 2'nd amendment needs to be removed from the constitution. Guns should all be illegal like they are in most countries. Like Canada where guns are prohibited, The crime rate is 89% lower than the USA
OoDart

Con

Thank you for continuing to respond in the debate. I am thoroughly enjoying this and am glad you provided legitimate arguments.

Unfortunately, It seems you have not looked at all of the facts, And only the ones you like.

The presence of legal guns is not the cause of the mass shootings. Again, I would like to point out that over a quarter of these shootings used guns that were illegally obtained.
We need guns to stop these crimes - about 30 mass shootings with illegal guns in the last 40 years.

I would also like to point out the crime rates in the United States, Canada, And the United Kingdom. The United States has little to no gun laws, Whereas Canada and the United Kingdom both have very high gun control.
United States Crime Rate: 41. 29 crimes per 1000 people.
Canada Crime Rate: 80. 25 crimes per 1000 people.
United Kingdom Crime Rate: 109. 96 crimes per 1000 people.

I would argue that it is not fair to say that this is proof that guns prevent crime (correlation does not equal causation), But it is proof that guns do not cause crime.

You also gave examples of when people did not use guns. This is not proof that guns are bad. At best, This shows that most people either think guns are useless or do not know how to use them. You said "In more than 300 sexual assaults in those 5 years the number of times a woman was able to use a gun to protect themselves was zero. " This shows me that they need to learn how to use guns because then they could've used them to protect themselves.

"Guns do not save lives they KILL PEOPLE. " Yes, They do kill people, But they also save lives. I will use the National Crime Victimization Survey (the same one you used) for this. It says that there are at least 100, 000 times annually that Americans genuinely use guns in self-defense. That's quite a large number.

Thank you for creating this debate. I look forward to your response.
Debate Round No. 2
FanboyMctroll

Pro

75% of the shootings were done with a legal gun, Having more guns is not the solution. It's just adding fuel to the flame. We need to get rid of guns. Other countries around the world have way lower gun crimes because guns are prohibited.

Those stats you provided on crime rates are fake news. There is way more gun related crime in the United States than anywhere else in the world in first world countries.

The United States has had more mass shootings than any other country in the post-WWII era. In one study by criminologist Adam Lankford, It was estimated that 31% of public mass shootings occur in the US, Although it has only 5% of the world's population.

In 2016, Half of all gun deaths occurred in the Americas,
Brazil had the largest gun deaths toll, With over 43, 000 people killed that year. The US was next with 37, 200. It was followed by Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela and Guatemala.

Together these six countries accounted for 50. 5% of the quarter of a million deaths from firearm injuries in 2016, A figure that includes homicides, Suicides and accidental injuries.

Military-style assault-style weapons have been blamed for some of the major mass shootings such as the attack in an Orlando nightclub and at the Sandy Hook School in Connecticut. .

Now are you going to tell me anyone need a military assault rifle? That is just plain stupid.

Guns kill, Case closed
OoDart

Con

Yes, 65-75% of shootings were done with a legal gun. But that still leaves MANY SHOOTINGS with illegal guns. NO GUNS would result in MORE DEATH from the ILLEGAL GUNS. You also clearly did not read my argument. I never said there are more gun-related crimes in those other countries. I said there is more crime in other countries, Despite there being no guns.

You have failed to actually refute any of the arguments I provided and simply said, "OH FAKE NEWS" and provided no evidence to back up your claims.

Thanks for debating, I rest my case.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by FanboyMctroll 2 years ago
FanboyMctroll
The facts are I won the debate, I was against guns therefore = WIN

Besides 68% of the population agree with me that guns are bad and they don't own them. You must be the minority militia type who live in bunkers and think WWIII is coming and the tyrannical government is after them.

You are the minority and you lose, Guns will eventually be banned and you will be arrested as an enemy to the state

Mic drop
Posted by Dr.Franklin 2 years ago
Dr.Franklin
most people don't agree with you
Posted by FanboyMctroll 2 years ago
FanboyMctroll
Looks like I win the debate, Thank you fellow voters and people who oppose guns, Now lets work together on Capitol Hill to ban all guns and get rid of this senseless gun violence and lets put a stop to this draconian way of thinking that in a modern society we need guns.

We do not need guns and most people agree with me, Now get rid of guns in our modern 21st century nobody needs to possess guns as we have seen enough gun violence already

Owning a gun is just plain STUPID!
Posted by Our_Boat_is_Right 2 years ago
Our_Boat_is_Right
mm, Liberal logic, 2 thumbs up
Posted by FanboyMctroll 2 years ago
FanboyMctroll
When our boat and knight dragon get mowed down by a spree shooter, I will just say, I told you so and won't even shed a tear
Posted by Knight_Dragon 2 years ago
Knight_Dragon
@Our_Boat_is_Right
Lol.
Posted by Our_Boat_is_Right 2 years ago
Our_Boat_is_Right
*When you get totally destroyed and have no evidence to combat*

"You lost, Bye. "
Posted by Dr.Franklin 2 years ago
Dr.Franklin
ignorant sh! T
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
You lost. Bye.
Posted by Our_Boat_is_Right 2 years ago
Our_Boat_is_Right
This is the 10th time you have failed to give any evidence of how many lives are saved by guns according to your evidence. Give evidence you have of how many lives are saved by guns.

You actually contradict yourself and prove my point. .

The reason the CDC is not trustworthy is because they are ANTI GUN. They have an anti gun and liberal bias. That is why the 2. 5M DGU study they did in the 90's, BEFORE their funding was cut off, Was unpublished. Because that would hurt their liberal bias of getting rid of guns. Yet they still get estimates in the millions of DGU's even with their anti-gun bias. Got that hillbilly? MAJOR BACKFIRE.
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Vote Placed by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
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Reasons for voting decision: "We don't need guns, I pray for the victims of these gun heinous crimes." I do as well. Con "Generally the only way to stop them is with a gun." 100% false. "I am pro-gun because I support having good people with guns to stop the bad people with guns." Meaning he supports the NRA which is more concerned about its guns and bullets than lives. Pro "In more that 300 sexual assaults in those 5 years the number of times a woman was able to use a gun to protect themselves was zero." Correct. Con "We need guns to stop these crimes" Guns don't stop crimes. "You also gave examples of when people did not use guns. This is not proof that guns are bad." The mere squeeze of a trigger in a violent action. " will use the National Crime Victimization Survey (the same one you used) for this. It says that there are at least 100, 000 times annually that Americans genuinely use guns in self-defense." A factual impossibility. Pro clearly wins this debate.

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