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Fadilah
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fauxlaw
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Why does God allow suffering?

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Started: 2/25/2020 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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Fadilah

Con

The bible claims God is all powerful, All knowing, Just, Love and the virtues goes on and on. Yet, We live in a world filled with injustice, Untold suffering and pain. Why is God not doing something about it. Why does he allow suffering?
I think He doesn't care. If he did he would have brought an end to suffering.
fauxlaw

Pro

I am very happy to debate this question with you, And look forward to a congenial debate. First, Know that I have the greatest respect for you and will not enter into an argument of personal attack, As has been my experience with several debaters who narrow their argument to that tactic. I invite your commitment of same. You are not my enemy, And I hope I am not yours. So be it.
First, I acknowledge that God allows suffering. But I contend that it is not because he does not care. On the contrary, His love for us exceeds our ability to comprehend. You acknowledged that God is all-powerful, All knowing, And just. I concur. And I find no contradiction by his allowance of suffering.
My first argument actually feeds from your question, “Why does he allow suffering? ”
I reply that immediately following the greatest gift He has given, Life, Is the gift of the atonement of Jesus Christ. I don’t know if you are Christian, Or not, But that does not really matter in this case. Please just understand what that concept means to me: Jesus lived a perfect life, And, As such, Was qualified to offer his life as the ultimate sacrifice to pay the demands of justice, Whereby the Law, Both man’s ad God’s can balance as they should due to the need for equal justice for all, Literally. By that atonement, Christ has paid the price, Not just for sin, Which many Christians believe is the sum total of the atonement. I know it covers much, Much more, Including all the pain, Physical, Mental, And spiritual, All the disappointment, All the sorrow and loss, All the tyranny, All the unfounded criticism, Persecution, In short, All the innocent suffering, Even unto death we bear as mortals. All of it. This was the gift of a loving, Not a vengeful God.
As a result, We need not fear even death, Let alone any less serious attack against us. We will be restored, And restored with all we have suffered and lost in mortality. Death indeed, Has no sting, And no lasting effect. Those who suffer, Even unto death will have life everlasting, Beyond all the pain and suffering we experience in life. Loss by suffering is replaced by joy in the embrace of God.
He allows suffering because He would not interfere with the third gift He has granted: our free agency, Even to those who would hurt others. However, His wrath ultimately against those who do directly cause our suffering will pay, Themselves, For the demands of justice should they refuse the atonement of Christ, And do not accept his urgent plea to repent and be renewed. Those hateful individuals will ultimately pay. Perhaps not in this lifetime, But no man hides from God.
Debate Round No. 1
Fadilah

Con

There is a problem. I was debating with Lilrose. How come my opponent was changed. I just don't get it. Why did debate. Org change my opponent?
fauxlaw

Pro


Yes, From our perspective God waits long, But our clock does not drive God. I fact, I don’t think He uses a clock. His time is eternal; it is not even time as we reckon it. It is our purpose to have hardship, Because without hardship, How would we properly acknowledge joy? Without sin, Could we properly righteousness? Without night, Could appreciate day? We must have opposition in all things, Or the good could not be properly contrasted from evil.


You mention the flood of Noah. There are other biblical instances we encounter where God intervened in wickedness and destroyed it. Or, So it is misunderstood. It just returned, Didn’t it? And, So did righteousness. They are the two combating factions of mortal life, And, It is proper that it is so. See above; the necessity of opposition in all things.


To understand why God acted to destroy, We must understand His love. We are all His children. He presented a perfect plan to us by which to conduct our mortal lives, Even including a means to overcome wickedness in ourselves if not in our many brothers and sisters among us. By those means, We can cleans our lives of wickedness, But Satan does not sleep and is ever nipping at our heels, And more. Just so, God should be held in our hands and hearts and minds to combat the Slanderer.


We are aware of grievous sins we can commit, And some do. Murder is not the ultimate sin, However. To sin against the Holy Ghost is the worst, From which there is no repentance, Worlds without end. The Holy Ghost is he who comforts our suffering, And testifies of the divinity of God. To sin against the Holy Ghost is to declare, Even if God, Himself, Appeared to us, And we deny his existence, As if telling the sun at noon that it is not, And that it is night. Knowing a thing of that majesty, To know by every sense we have, That God is God, And yet deny it, Is unforgiveable.


Consider that those destroyed in the flood, Or in the cinder box of Sodom and Gomorrah, Were on their way to that degree of wickedness, And God stepped in to stop them before they committed it. What did they lose? Just their mortal lives. All would still have the opportunity to repent of their wickedness ad return to God. Many will not, But remember that those individuals live before the advent of Christ. Now that he has come, We know of him and his message of love of man and God. With that knowledge, Whether we accept it or not, Is out there, And those who continue, Now, Their destructive practices, Will pay in the end for their wickedness.


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Posted by fauxlaw 1 year ago
fauxlaw
@Fadllah:
I sympathize with your debate plight in a change of opponent. When I encountered your debate, There was no opponent, And it is a subject I am keenly interested in, So I engaged. That answers a question I had and inquired with admin to address, Because your argument had already posted a second argument, Not just this question about already having an opponent, Which was curious, Causing my own question to admin. Have you inquired separately to admin? I will gladly withdraw, Since you already have an opponent, And you should advise admin of that, Referencing this comment. Perhaps another occasion. . . Best wishes
Posted by fauxlaw 1 year ago
fauxlaw
@Wisdomofages:
I've given mere words. If words are perceived as "direct cause of suffering, " I suggest that the perception is the sign of a weak backbone, For only that weakness is affectred by words, Alone. You belittle the true physical, Merntal, And spiritual anguish of suffering by such a weak argument as being affected by words, Alone, Particularly when those words are given and intended as a path to ultimate peace by their careful choice to uplift, Rather than destroy.
Words mean things, My friend. Choose them carefully, Chose them kindly, And no man is your enemy.

AS for an Abrahamic God, I did not attach an adjective to my reference to God; it is your assumption, And one that uses the term as a weapon, Not as an honorific. Again, Choose your words carefully.
Posted by WisdomOfAges 1 year ago
WisdomOfAges
FAUXLAW? Says. . . . He allows suffering because He would not interfere with the third gift He has granted: our free agency, Even to those who would hurt others. However, His wrath ultimately against those who do directly cause our suffering will pay, Themselves, For the demands of justice should they refuse the atonement of Christ, And do not accept his urgent plea to repent and be renewed. Those hateful individuals will ultimately pay. Perhaps not in this lifetime, But no man hides from God.

Those who DIRECTLY CAUSE SUFFERING are the parasite VAMPIRE con artists that preach and promote some absurd Comic Book PUPPET "GOD" toy invention. . . . GOD? There are thousands but YOU are so
BRAINWASHED and HYPNOTIZED to be a mindless slave drone to some CHURCH CLOWN PREACHER
and DOGMA doo. . . . It's all worthy of a TOILET FLUSH. . .

"Abrahamic "GODS" some idiotic male humanoid Comic Book super BOZO. . . That is never VISIBLE or
AVAILABLE but has no problem leaving a tirade of THREATS against all who DISOBEY > what a JOKE. .

This is really the stuff of childrens Comic Book FANTASY. . . . Great for mindless wandering tribal lunatics
in a remote desert region of EARTH!

STOP the planet and humanity. . All BOW to the Abrahamic PUPPET GOD TOY invention. . . Or SUFFER. . .
not by the GOD. . But by human slave drones brainwashed to carry out MURDER for some preaching
PARASITE of a Temple, Church, Quran CULT. . . . . Absurd TRASH for the IGNORANT FOOL. . . .

Forget space travel and exploration. . . All go to your tent in the desert and PRAY for GOD to save your
pathetic ASSZZZ. . . Disgusting, . . . . . Humans reducing humans to pathetic dumbed down slave drone servants! In the name of "GOD" of course. . . Utter IDIOCY. . .
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