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backwardseden
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Longinus
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Why don't christians give equality to those who are gay? The bible doesn't nor does its god

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backwardseden

Pro

Why don't christians give equality to those who are gay? There's no "why"? Since there's no "why", I get it, I really do. . . If this invisible man were to tap you on the shoulders in the middle of your street and tell you to jump into a volcano of ever spewing ash and lava, Why by gum you'd do it. So yeah, YOU MUST follow what leviticus 20:13 when it demands death as is true with soooo many other verses. And no, You cannot invent silly little excuses. Do what your bible says. Or does your puking bible happen to be incorrect as always?
"If a man also lie with mankind, As he lieth with a woman, Both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. " or the NLT states
"If a man practices homosexuality, Having sex with another man as with a woman, Both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, For they are guilty of a capital offense. "
"They are guilty of a capital offense. "? Wow. So raping a 6 year old girl has the same value or less than homosexuality in christians ever so nice and gentle huggable book? What else would be considered to be a "capital" offense in the eyes of christians - especially at the time of the writings and teachings of the bible? Obviously murder wouldn't count. Neither would slavery/ owning another person as property. WOW! The BIGGEST crime of them all would be to disown the christian god. If there isn't something wrong with that mentality then something is ---seriously--- wrong and completely inept with the typical thought pattern of the typical so-called christian. Oh and oh yeah, They also didn"t use the term "homosexuality". Until 1947 and didn't plop the term into their NLT's until then. So please do not tell anyone that your idiot christian terror bible is NOT transcribed differently, Or does not deliver different messages each time some holy shangrala decides he wants to update it, Because it does, Sorry. Oh here's another translation, The lovely WYC! What fun! It must be so much moistened lip wet and hilarity to go through the thesaurus to dig up different synonyms to thus transcribe idiot verses, Especially when they should not exist in the first place from an unproven god. DUH!
"If a man sleepeth with a man, By lechery of a woman, Ever either hath wrought unleaveful thing, Die they by death; their blood be on them. (If a man sleepeth with a man, Like in fleshly coupling with a woman, They both have done an unlawful thing, And they both shall be put to death; their blood be on them. )
Yeah, Notice all the lovely minced meat jargon? Now use that good ole noggin mmm k? So you either follow the word of your unproven god and you murder every single person who is LGBT on the planet as possible, Or you disobey your unproven god in which case you face your unproven god's eternal anger, Wrath, Vengeance, Rage, Fury, Jealousy, Evil etc all in which this party animal your unproven god has freely admitted to in your bible. So which is it snookums? Btw, Yah can't change the rules and murder lil ole me, Because I welcome death and I'm not gay to thus ruin your sad pathetic pity party anyway, As I didn't make your unproven god's stupid idiotic rules that YOU must live by according to your tepid turgid bible that should obviously be p**sed upon and then burned.
Let's move on shall we?
The bible and baggage terrorist immoral horrific superior ego god complex in which the bible is entirely about and nothing else never gives a "why" except that you will die if you are gay and or becomes part of the ever growing LGBT community. Should ---every--- single person pay any attention to a bible of utter nonsense that in no possible way is proof of anything, Especially if its lead character unproven god who has human emotions of anger, Wrath, Vengeance, Rage, Fury and especially jealousy? Yep tag light that with a buttery "evil" also. Is it right that all of man should look chin up to this godly clod of deliberate (if you do not know these, Then you have not read your bible. So get a startin' to becomin' a bible thumpin' there you a probable youngun) countless genocides, Loves rape, Loves slavery, Is a contradictory hypocrite - yeppers FROM A GOD! Wow! Issues death warrants on those who blaspheme, Those who don't believe in him and believe in other gods, Those who commit adultery, Those who work on the sabbath, Those who are gay, Curse at their parents etc. Oh and gosh! 4 of those that were just listed come from your 10 commandments. Oh and golly gosh, The NT is worse! By the simple notion that for not believing in the dust mite christ, This is a reason to be sent to a mythical place called "hell". Talk about being completely immoral. Yet if someone rapes, Beats, Eats, Murders and tortures 6 five year old girls and then later in life finds this gooey christ for in which there is no proof of his existence and never was, Just like his grand old poopah god for in which there is no proof of existence also, This murderer is 100% guaranteed a spot in this mythical heaven. This is also completely immoral. I have done NOTHING wrong and neither have billions of others. But by not believing in a facade, Namely christ, We are all doomed to go to hell just by this one idiotic cockeyed gesture in which I am most certainly happy to burn forever and ever. What a truly juvenile delinquent(s) that thought it up because its so arrogant and senile behind its neanderthal goo goo gaga bed wetter mind(s) that actually thinks it can be used as a religious bargaining chip blackmail kit to get me and or anyone to believe in this clearly false god and christ that if in any possible way were true, Would never do such a moronic thing and empower it as the beefy blanket big black bloated manure spread bible clearly states. Duh.
So what happens when you grow up and your kid age 16 says "Mom I'm gay. " What oh what on earth do you do then?

RULES:
1. Prove that the murdering of ALL GAYS/ LGBQ is justified because this is what your god point blank says and you take it upon your skull to do your god's bidding. Failure is not an option!
2. Prove that just because god is god according to the bible, That this unproven thing is not justified in the ordering you to murder those who blaspheme, Those who don't believe in him and believe in other gods, Those who commit adultery, Those who work on the sabbath, Curse at their parents etc. Give the "why"? Do not give something as trite as "the law" because it doesn't exist and christ is a false prophet regardless.
Now if you wish to mention that mindless idiot, I will burn you and you won't like it.
3. Prove the NT to be better than the OT when it comes to immorality when its an impossibility, That is if you have a conscious even though that was already mentioned.

4. Dsjpk5 is disqualified from the voting procedures as he tries to pretend he's god and thus change the voting structure of who wins and loses here on DDO.
Longinus

Con

I'll begin by responding to the rules you posted at the bottom.

1. Direct quote: "Prove that the murdering of ALL GAYS/ LGBQ is justified because this is what your god point blank says and you take it upon your skull to do your god's bidding. Failure is not an option! "

The death penalty was assigned to homosexuals during the exodus period. It is a punishment put in place during a time of extreme fear for the Jewish race. It is no longer a valid punishment for sin since Christ's resurrection.

2. Direct quote: "Prove that just because god is god according to the bible, That this unproven thing is not justified in the ordering you to murder those who blaspheme, Those who don't believe in him and believe in other gods, Those who commit adultery, Those who work on the sabbath, Curse at their parents etc. Give the "why"? Do not give something as trite as "the law" because it doesn't exist and christ is a false prophet regardless. "

Once again, The laws which you cite which point towards killing are the ceremonial/emergency laws of the Jews, Not the laws which Christians are required to follow.

3. Direct quote: "Prove the NT to be better than the OT when it comes to immorality when its an impossibility, That is if you have a conscious even though that was already mentioned. "

I'm not completely sure what you mean by "better. " Are you referring to God's actions?
Your objections to God's actions are, Admittedly, Quite funny. God is absolute good, Every action he takes in the Old Testament is an action against the wickedness that pervaded the ancient world at the time. Of course, You lack any actual understanding of theology so it's not like you would know that.

The rules which you lay out are entirely arbitrary and not an actual debate. They show a complete lack of knowledge of incredibly basic theological concepts. I would encourage you to research to understand the difference between the Old Covenant, The Jewish Ceremonial law, And the Exodus/Levitican laws and the New Covenant.

I will now select some of my favorite quotes from your text to refute.

Paraphrased: "Why don't Christians give equality to those who are gay? "

Response: Because homosexuality is fundamentally disordered, Violates natural law, And violates God's plan for humanity. It's like asking "Why don't (true) Christians accept birth control? " Because it's a fundamental violation of nature.

Paraphrased: "So yeah, YOU MUST follow what Leviticus 20:13 when it demands death as is true with so many other verses"

Response: Until you cite me a source from the New Testament calling for the death of homosexuals then no, I don't have to advocate for killing gays.

Paraphrased: "So raping a six year old girl has the same value or less than homosexuality in Christians ever so nice and gentle huggable book? "

Response: Yes. Both rape and homosexuality are vile and detestable actions before God and both are mortal sins. Also I'm not sure where you get this impression of the Bible being super nice and gentle as it is most definitely not intended to be that way.

Paraphrased: "Also they didn't use the word Homosexuality until 1947 and didn't plop the term into their NLT's until then and don't tell me your idiot Christian bible is NOT transcribed differently"

Response: First, The word homosexuality will never be used in an authentic bible translation. It will state "If man lay with man as with woman" or something similar. And it is transcribed correctly, We have authentic copies of NT books dating back to within 50 years of their writing and copies of OT books in Hebrew dating back to 200 BC. Also, What's the point of this paragraph? That Christians only started rejecting homosexuality recently? How does it tie together with the rest of your essay?

Paraphrased: "So you either follow the word of your unproven god and murddr every single LGBT person on the planet or you disobey them and face his anger. "

Response: You really like repeating yourself don't you? It doesn't make up for your lack of theological understanding. Already debunked this point.

The rest of your writing as far as I can tell was some tirade against Christianity (actually, Far more like the authors half-baked theologically ignorant perception of Christianity) and more repeating of yourself, So I'm not going to draw any more quotes from it.

That is all.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

"I'll begin by responding to the rules you posted at the bottom. " In all of my debates here on DDO, You are the very first person to do as such. Very good! Someone actually knows how to glance at the bottom BEFORE glancing/ reading the rest of what is in front of him. This is exactly what I did unto your tragic debate which is really laughable without any kind of proof whatsoever, Only conjecture and opinions without ---any--- evidence to support your claims.

"Response: First, The word homosexuality will never be used in an authentic bible translation. "
NLT, TLB, So you are telling millions who read these bible translations that they are wrong. So YOU are right? According to what? YOU? How would you know? Nope. Sorry. This is what YOU get when others like YOU tamper with YOUR bible and try to update it from generation to generation to make it easier for others to understand as language changes over time. Duh. How can you possibly invent such a truly bad excuse like that? You honestly think that ---any--- bible translation, Especially in English, Is even remotely "authentic"? Especially when NOBODY can trace YOUR bible back to the original because there is no original to compare any translation to IN THE FIRST PLACE? You just lowered your intelligence, Credibility, Integrity, And education ratio to 0%. Let"s give you some other bible verses and see how you do. Oh and oh yeah there"s hundreds of thousands of examples like these simply by language barriers alone.
* In the Bishop"s bible, The one before the KJV, The word "Tyrant" was used I don"t know how many times (its at least 400 from what completed records show) and then in the KJV that was replaced by "King". WHAT? Tyrant and King are two different and totally apples and oranges with each having totally different meanings.
* In Isaiah 45:7 KJV "I form the light, And create darkness: I make peace, And create evil: I the Lord do all these things. " In the NIV version its "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, The Lord, Do all these things. " In the NLT its "I create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, The Lord, Am the one who does these things. The words "evil" and "disaster" and "bad" are 3 completely different words that have 0% of nothing to do with each other and completely change the meaning of the verses. With each different verse, The messages are completely different. The synonyms of each word don"t even match.
* 1 Peter 3:15 KJV "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:" NLT "Instead, You must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if someone asks about your hope as a believer, Always be ready to explain it. " KJV "meekness and fear" has NOTHING to do with NLT "always be ready to explain it". Who amputated this verse and who had the right to? AND even worse is this crap is all over your bible. It takes place all---the---time through different translations. Also notice that the KJV mentions "Lord god", The NLT mentions "you must worship Christ as Lord of your life". Well that's 2 completely and totally different translations right there. They have nothing to do with each other.
So which translation according to YOU is correct? If you answer none of them then you answered correctly because no god would be stupid enough, Not ever, Not for any reason, To use text, Namely your bible as a form of communication, The absolute worst form of communication possible. The verses above are one of the at least 50 reasons why this is true, To possibly miscommunicate different, Completely different messages. If you are smart, You most assuredly can think of at least 3 more reasons why your unproven god would never use text.

Let"s move on shall we?

"The death penalty was assigned to homosexuals during the exodus period. It is a punishment put in place during a time of extreme fear for the Jewish race. It is no longer a valid punishment for sin since Christ's resurrection. " Well that"s false. You cannot even prove that christ existed. Regardless, Christ was an absolute false messiah.

The laws which you cite which point towards killing are the ceremonial/emergency laws of the Jews, Not the laws which Christians are required to follow. " Its not me btw, These are blatant errors in your bible for thousands of years. Btw, There"s no such a thing as a christian in the first place as you break so many of your christ"s laws. DDO will not let me post the truly insane verses that only a true inept madman would state, And only the insane would follow, So here"s a video which does state the verses in which you nor ---everybody--- on the planet does not obey every single one of them. So they like you are NOT true christians.
http://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=x-slAgzJmdU - Why Does Every Intelligent christian disobey jesus?
Also here"s a true dagger since you insist on using text. OK GREAT! "
Pay attention closely:
*Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. "
*Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, The flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. "
*2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, And is profitable for doctrine, For reproof, For correction, For instruction in righteousness:"
*Psalm 19:7 "The law of the Lord is perfect, Converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, Making wise the simple. "
*Psalm 119:160 "Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. "
* James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, And cometh down from the Father of lights, With whom is no variableness, Neither shadow of turning. "
In other words god"s word is PERFECT. Since this is true your christ couldn"t have fulfilled god"s PERFECT word. Simple.

John 5: 16-18 "16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, And sought to slay him, Because he had done these things on the sabbath day. 17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, And I work. 18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, Because he not only had broken the sabbath, But said also that God was his Father, Making himself equal with God. "
Many problems with those verses. 1. 17 So according to jesus, His father, Namely god works on the sabbath. 2. There"s a 0% chance that god is going to work on the sabbath, NOT ever. So either 3. Jesus flat out lied thus proving that he is false, The entire NT is false and christianity is false or 4. These verses are misprints in which is the most likely of probabilities in which is supposed to be a perfect book. 5. The entire OT is false which there"s a 0% chance of that if you believe in god as once again there"s no chance god would ---ever--- work on the sabbath. 6. 18 Notice how jesus himself appoints himself to be equal with god. 7. Where did jesus get the permission from god to do this? 8. Wow. What an egotist. 9. No need to worry. The entire bible screams of god"s superior ego god complex. That"s what the bible is entirely about and nothing else. 10. There"s no proof whatsoever that god and jesus has ---ever--- existed.

Here is another video to 100% prove that you cannot just toss the OT laws down the tubes just because you want to and keep the rest of what you pick and choose which is exactly what you do.
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=HRy-UfUYYGk&t=891s - Atheist Debates - But that"s the OT!

"I'm not completely sure what you mean by "better. " Are you referring to God's actions? " You are forgetting that you STILL cannot prove that YOUR god even exists.
"Your objections to God's actions are, Admittedly, Quite funny. God is absolute good, Every action he takes in the Old Testament is an action against the wickedness that pervaded the ancient world at the time. " Oh I see, So you fully support the deaths of babies, Children and pregnant mothers (abortions in which YOU supposed christians are supposed to be so against), You support slavery and to beat slaves just as long as they don"t die within a day or two. And slavery was never condoned by your god or christ in you completely immoral bible either.
You were 100% proven wrong and christ was not the messiah, Your god"s laws, Rules and regulations are still in effect since they are PERFECT.
So according to you, You support the deaths of all who are gay, Every single person who blasphemes, All those that commit adultery, Everybody with no exceptions who works on the sabbath which would have included your unproven christ, Everybody who even makes the smallest of peeps to curse at their parents, Everybody that does not worship your god and worships other gods. Oh and btw, Even with your paralyzed ideals that doesn't support a hill of beans, 4 of those just listed come from your 10 commandments. Gosh! Well gee willikers this makes you as immoral as your UNPROVEN god.

"Of course, You lack any actual understanding of theology so it's not like you would know that. " So actually, I know more about your god, Sneezerag christ, Bible and religion than you ---ever--- will. I also believe in peace, Love, Kindness, Care, Harmony whereas you have 100% proved that you are totally incapable of it especially with an unproven god who has freely admitted to evil, Anger, Wrath, Vengeance, Rage, Fury and jealousy of all things. These are human baggage emotions which proves your god is imperfect. Nah. This god according to you neatly passed down those emotions so man could learn to hate with at least 1 billion dead on the battlefields alone all in his supposed "good" name. Great going god. Great going you for worshiping this insane figure. Keep up the good work.

We got into the NT in RD 1 in which you completely ignored its immorality. Indeed the NT immorality is far worse than the OT. So you really don't understand theology at all. SAVE IT! Invent excuses for someone else.
Longinus

Con

This is exactly what I did unto your tragic debate which is really laughable without any kind of proof whatsoever, Only conjecture and opinions without ---any--- evidence to support your claims. "

This is a theological debate about Christianity. If you didn't want to hear theological arguments then you shouldn't have started a debate about a theological subject.

"NLT, TLB, So you are telling millions who read these bible translations that they are wrong. So YOU are right? According to what? YOU? How would you know? "

Because I'm a messianic Jew who can read Biblical Hebrew?
These verses connect "Man shall not lay with man" with homosexuality. Although this isn't really a valid translation, It's not like they're completely butchering the verse. Also, You're taking this out of context, I was attempting to explain why your argument that homosexuality was only introduced in the 1940's was invalid.

"Tyrant changed to Kings"
https://www. Britannica. Com/topic/tyranny
Tyrant used to refer to any ruler with absolute political power, Now it means something else, So the translation was shifted to kings.

"Isaiah 45:7"
These words are not vastly different lmao. Point is that God can send bad stuff. Same point, Different words.

"1 Peter 3:15"
Once again, You hyperbolically overstate the difference between these two verses. The basic meaning of "always be ready to answer nonbelievers" remains the same.

God didn't solely use text, He also used the sacred tradition passed down by the apostles to correctly communicate his message.
Also these translations aren't even that different in their true meaning.
Also, The NLT is designed to be an easy to read fundamentalist bible. The KJV was designed to be a more lengthy, More beautiful bible.

"Well that"s false. You cannot even prove that christ existed. Regardless, Christ was an absolute false messiah. "
Lol.
Bart Erhman (Atheist Historian): "These views are so extreme (that Jesus did not exist) and so unconvincing to 99% of real experts that anyone holding them is as likely to get a teaching job in an established department of religion as a six-day creationist is likely to land on in a bona fide department of biology"

Richard Burridge (Biblical Scholar): "I have to say that I do not know any respectable critical scholar who says that (Jesus did not exist) anymore"

Darrel Bock and Dan Wallace in Dethroning Jesus: "Jesus of Nazareth was a historical person, A claim virtually no one doubted before because of the vast and varied literary evidence. "

John Crossan in Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography - "That he was crucified is as sure as anything historically can ever be, Since both Josephus and Tacitus agree on this fact"

Of course, You don't trust Modern Scholars, You can just trust the Roman ones.

"[Christians] meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, When they sang an alternate verse a hymn to Christ as to a god, And bound themselves to a solemn oath, Not to do wicked deeds, Never commit fraud, Theft, Adultery, Not to lie nor to deny a trust" - Pliny the Younger in EpistlesX96

"Because the Jews at Rome caused constant disturbances at the instigation of [Christ], [Claudius] expelled them from the city [Rome]. " - Gaius Suetonius in Life of Claudius 25. 4

There are plenty of others, But proving Christ's existence isn't that important to this debate, So I'll stop there.

I'm not sure why you sent me a video talking about being good and merciful, As this would seem to prove my point. Also, Many of these verse are taken out of context and the bible is not meant to be read in that manner. And if you want to talk about mistranslated and misinterpreted verses this video is a gold mine lmao.

"Big list of verses talking about God's word being perfect"
Sigh,
Once again, The Levitican laws were emergency laws enacted to ensure the survival of the Jewish race during their time of flight. As such, The punishments they enact will not be valid for Christians. Circumstances on earth can change, What matters is that Homosexuality is a sin.

"Jesus worked on Sabbath"
Matthew 12:1 and Luke 14:1-5. Christ is changing the covenant.

"support death of babies"
Cite verses

"slavery"
Hebrew slavery wasn't chattel slavery. Also, Different earthly economic conditions foster different laws.

"You were proven 100% wrong blah blah God's regulations still in effect"
Matt. 22:34-40
Matt. 5:17-19
Christ is the fulfillment of the Old Law, He has come to bring it to perfection. The Old Law was instituted so that it could be brought forth unto the New Law, That Christ would usher in. The Old Law was ceremonial laws for Jews, Gentiles were only required to follow natural law, Which Homosexuality is a part of. Hebrews 7:19.

"So according to you, You support the deaths of all who are gay, Every single person who blasphemes, All those that commit adultery, Everybody with no exceptions who works on the Sabbath which would have included your unproven christ, Everybody who even makes the smallest of peeps to curse at their parents, Everybody that does not worship your god and worships other gods. Oh and btw, Even with your paralyzed ideals that doesn't support a hill of beans, 4 of those just listed come from your 10 commandments. Gosh! Well gee willikers this makes you as immoral as your UNPROVEN god. "
The change in punishments is due to the change in the forgiveness of sin. In the OT people were required to sacrifice animals for forgiveness but in the NT Christ perished for our sins, So these punishments are no longer necessary.

"Completely ignored NT morality"
"Waaah waaaah people go to hell"
"I and billions of others have done nothing wrong so why we go to hell"
We all have sinned. Everyone has done something wrong. Wrong things are forgiven through Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Those who refuse to accept those things and act accordingly are not forgiven and reject God. After they die God accepts their rejection of them and sends them to a place were he is absent (hell). Unfortunately, As God is all good, Hell is completely absent of good and is, As such, Incredibly painful and filled with suffering.

As usual, You provide no theological evidence to support your claim that Christians should accept homosexuals and continue to try to make this an argument about whether God exists or not.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

"This is a theological debate about Christianity. If you didn't want to hear theological arguments then you shouldn't have started a debate about a theological subject. "
I didn"t read the bottom of what you had to state for this RD. I only read that one line. That"s enough reason enough for me to cancel this debate with you. Um no sparky, Its YOUR vision of what a theological argument should be about and what christianity should be and not what billions of others think, Reason, Rationalize, What others use common sense for and what they use as logic is. Its not even close.

"Because I'm a messianic Jew who can read Biblical Hebrew? "
Oh I see, And yet you 100% support christianity. Lovely. Ah yes, In which the ONLY thing that separates christianity from judaism is drum roll please" why by golly its christ who was a false prophet. And you believe in christ. Tee hee. This is fun. Let"s put you on the 3 strike and you are out rule. That"s a super easy strike 1.

"These verses connect "Man shall not lay with man" with homosexuality. Although this isn't really a valid translation, It's not like they're completely butchering the verse. Also, You're taking this out of context, " That"s strike 2. Because then you"d have to tell millions of others that they are taking the verses out of context as well AS PREVIOUSLY STATED. Why is it that those who claim of themselves TO BE CHRISTIAN like you, And you can hide behind that facade of "'m a messianic Jew" and lie about it all you want, CAN"T READ?
"I was attempting to explain why your argument that homosexuality was only introduced in the 1940's was invalid. " Well it failed because you, As always paid no attention to the 100% fact that people like you change YOUR bible into whatever the f--k they want it to, And they toss the rest. And you know it.

"Tyrant changed to Kings"
https://www. Britannica. Com/topic/tyranny
Tyrant used to refer to any ruler with absolute political power, Now it means something else, So the translation was shifted to kings. "
Deplorable explanation. I truly hate it when darling little nobody"s like you who clearly without any question have no genuine friends or loved ones, Try to invent excuses to save themselves from the noose around their you know where areas. Oh and btw, Those who came up with the ideal, They know better than you. AND to top it off, The Britannica never, Not once made any speech about bible changes. Please try harder. K? Wow this is fun. We"ll let that go from a strike 3 until the next plop on down as I already read it before this one. And no, I truly don't even care as to how badly you've made the attempts to try and defend yourself into how completely bankrupt and immoral you are, Just like your unproven superior ego god complex in which your bible is entirely about and nothing else, Is because of how badly you've screwed yourself already in this RD, That reading beyond the final strike and thus responding to a supposed theologian who truly knows absolutely nothing about an unproven god, Religion and the bible, Well its impossible to continue.

"Isaiah 45:7"
"These words are not vastly different lmao. Point is that God can send bad stuff. Same point, Different words. " Strike 3. Bye.
Longinus

Con

"I didn"t read the bottom of what you had to state for this RD. I only read that one line. That"s enough reason enough for me to cancel this debate with you. Um no sparky, Its YOUR vision of what a theological argument should be about and what christianity should be and not what billions of others think"

This entire argument is about the theological conception of homosexual rights. "Why don't Christians give equality to hose who are gay? " Is the question. This question has a theological answer. This is a debate about theology.

"Oh I see, And yet you 100% support christianity. Lovely. Ah yes, In which the ONLY thing that separates christianity from judaism is drum roll please" why by golly its christ who was a false prophet. And you believe in christ. Tee hee. This is fun. Let"s put you on the 3 strike and you are out rule. That"s a super easy strike 1. "

Look up the definition of messianic Jew. Moron.
Being a Jew involves ethnicity, Not just religion.

""I was attempting to explain why your argument that homosexuality was only introduced in the 1940's was invalid. " Well it failed because you, As always paid no attention to the 100% fact that people like you change YOUR bible into whatever the f--k they want it to, And they toss the rest. And you know it. "

I very obviously don't know. The historical record proves you wrong on this by he way, We have copies of the OT dating back to 200 BC which are the same as our current OT and full copies of the NT dating back to within 50 years of their writing, Once again the same.

You can't refute my explanation of the change of tyrants to kings so you just insulted me for awhole paragraph instead of making any substantial points. Wow.
"The Britannica never, Not once made any speech about bible changes. " The point isn't that the BIBLE CHANGED. The point it that the definition of the word changed so the Bible changed to follow it.

"Strike 3. Bye"
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Posted by StevenCrowder 3 years ago
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Ha, This pxssy has banned me from the debate. How weak.
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