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Why fear death? Atheists don't in comparison to those who are religious, Especially christians

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Started: 2/5/2020 Category: Philosophy
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backwardseden

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ALL religions known except for one have a so-called above world, Namely a "heaven". See, Me as an atheist, I never fear death. There's no need. There's no requirement. But those who are religious do, Especially christians in comparison to atheists. Why is this so? One would figure that since a christian's life here on earth, Especially if it's been filled with nothing but pain, Suffering and depression, That someone would most certainly want to commit suicide and spend an eternity with their heavenly father though suicide is ---never--- an ultimate answer. Regardless, According to apparent scripture, There's NOTHING about suicide, Though one might suspect there might be (NEWSFLASH: there's not), As being an apparent sin because after all how can there be when jesus committed the ultimate act which is his death so he could die and suffer for your sins? So how dare you snuff out your life! So you as a christian should be absolutely terrified of death and should fear death - right? You'd want to live as long as you possibly can through all of life's misery, Pain, Sufferings, Depression, Loss, Grieving, Sorrow, Starvation. . . At least that's the christian thinking. Sure life, Or at least I would hope so, Would allow you to have one helluva lot of love, Kindness and care thrown your way. In turn, You can give back that love, Kindness, And care also. This would thus allow you to not fear death as much.

Here's the thing. . . Why live your life in constant fear of something (the fear of death -thanatophobia) that according to you, In which case according to nearly all religions you must believe in its god, In which case no god from any religion has ever been proven from any religion in the entire existence of the human race, In order to receive any type of salvation? This is especially true of christianity. So why not believe in yourself and not live in constant fear of death especially considering that, Once again, There is no evidence for any god's existence from any religion? Atheists nowhere close fear death in comparison to those who are religious, Especially christians. You should not fear death either. Death happens to us all and to everything. So why fear it? Why not live your life normally and perfectly content without the fear of death looming over your shoulders? You deserve better than an unproven religion to give you that fear.

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Augom

Con

1 Corinthians 15:55
55 "Where, O death, Is your victory?
Where, O death, Is your sting? "

The question of the debate seems to be illusive at a first glance. Not because it's bad, But because I wasn't quite sure what position my opponent was taking. I'm a devout Christian, And I don't fear death at all. But for the purpose of the debate, I'll answer the question from the position that my opponent takes: atheism.

Why should we fear death? More specifically, Why should an Atheist fear death?
There are a plethora of reasons. First and foremost, The atheist must realize that he could be wrong. There may very well be an afterlife; a Heaven and Hell. Secondly, Fear of death, From an atheistic perspective, Is what drives humanity to greatness. Thirdly, Death harms those who care for us.

The atheist should fear death because they could be wrong. If indeed the God of Abraham exists (the God that Jews, Muslims, Mormons, And Christians worship), Then the atheist is going to be confronted by him after death. According to the scriptures, When we die we are all going to give an account of our lives before God. Every sinful act that you have ever committed, You will recognize and report before God. And when all is said and done, If you haven't repented, Believed worshiped, Etc. . , You will be sent to spend an eternity in hell. There are other religions that teach the doctrine of hell, But I will refrain from going through them due to the fact that Christianity was specifically addressed by my opponent. If you die as an atheist and you were wrong, You might be spending an eternity in hell. If you die as an atheist and you were right, You'll never know it. You will simply cease to exist, And you'll never be the wiser. That is, Quite simply, Terrifying.

The second reason atheists should fear death is the fact that the fear of death is what has driven humanity to become greater. Need I explain what I mean by this? You are only here today, Reading this debate, Because your ancestors feared death enough to try and escape it. When their lives were in danger, They fought to survive. When death approached them, They ran. People who did not care for their lives simply did not survive. It may not be exactly the same today, Due to all of the technological advances we have made and health/mental services we can provide to those that don't value their lives, But regardless, Fear of death is what drove (and still does drive) ingenuity and entrepreneurship.

Thirdly, When you die, People who love you are going to be hurt. From an atheistic perspective, This reality should be all the more painful. Death is the end. There is no afterlife. Any loose ends that you leave behind when you pass will remain untied, Forever.

In conclusion, From the atheist's point of view, Death should be utterly terrifying. It is the end of all things, In which you leave behind all that you know and care for, Entering a void of slumber that you will never awake from, Leaving a trail of hurt and sadness in your infinite departure.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

I love it when teeny bopper 18 year olds like you come on in here and pretend that they actually know what they are squawking about, When in fact they really have no idea what they yimmer and yammer about and have to make things up in order to get somewhat of a passing grade in their minds. But that really doesn't work in the real world, Especially with any valid truth to it whereas your truth is always known to be corrupted because you cannot even prove that your god and christ have ever existed.
Let's look at what you last stated and slaughter it right now because you obviously point blank have done no research whatsoever into your ideals, Because they are your ideals without any evidence to back up what you state and or claim.
"In conclusion, From the atheist's point of view, Death should be utterly terrifying. "
Simply google "Who fears death more? Those who are religious or atheists? "
This debate really should end right there because this is entirely what this debate is all about. I haven't read any more of your debate thus far because I learned in college to ---always--- start from the backward idea is and then see what the first idea characterizes, That if it is even worthwhile, Because after all if the end cannot support in its own mainframe, Then what's the point? Yeah you've utterly failed at that. But I'm giving you a break. So let's see what yah got. . .

1 Corinthians 15:55
55 "Where, O death, Is your victory?
Where, O death, Is your sting? "

* KJV "O death, Where is thy sting? O grave, Where is thy victory? "
* WEB "Death, Where is your sting?
Hades, [a] where is your victory? "See Hosea 13:14

Hosea 13:14 "I will ransom them from the power of Sheol. [a]
I will redeem them from death!
Death, Where are your plagues?
Sheol, Where is your destruction?

"Compassion will be hidden from my eyes. "

*ASV "[a]O death, Where is thy victory? O death, Where is thy sting? "
Hosea 13:14 " I will ransom them from the [a]power of Sheol; I will redeem them from death: O death, [b]where are thy plagues? O Sheol, [c]where is thy destruction? Repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. "

Now you look at the mega differences between each translation. Do you really think that A GOD would allow ANY DIFFERENCE from any translation to be lost, To be changed, To be updated in which MUST happen because of language differences alone? Well simply no god if true would ever use text. This was just proved. So the fact that you used text to prove ---anything--- only proved ---nothing--- because no true god would ever use text, Not for any reason, Not ever, As a form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence the absolute worst form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence possible to a god. So the bible is an automatic elimination as proof for anything.

So let's continue. . .

"I'm a devout Christian, " There's no such thing as christianity. There over 33, 480 denominations of christianity alone. So how are you going to choose which version of supposed christianity is correct because there's no consensus and then make is even remotely believable?
Sure YOU might not fear death, But that's not true for those who are supposed christians.

"More specifically, Why should an Atheist fear death? "We as atheists don't have a god to believe in that outs upon us this fear of hell, That we haven't done the best in life as we possibly can to appease an unproven storybook character god of print only. So that's one helluva lot less in our back pockets to fear as far as death is concerned. Sorry, It's you, The religious, The christians who fear death because you not only cannot commit suicide as stated in RD1 and because you have to appease your unproven god.

"The atheist must realize that he could be wrong. There may very well be an afterlife; a Heaven and Hell. "
Not a valid reason. Every religion knows except for one has an above world, A heaven if you wish to call it that and a below world, A hell if you wish to call it that. Oh yeah, Christianity plagiarized the idea. Also if you would bother to READ YOUR BIBLE, Nah that's asking far too much. What complete idiot moron would want to spend a quintillionth of a second in heaven with YOUR god of the bible considering the fact that it murdered children, Murdered babies, Murdered pregnant women (abortions), Committed EXTREME suffering and pain especially among children, Caused horrific genocides just because it was jealous, Issued death warrants on those who worked on the sabbath, Blasphemed, Didn't believe in it, Were gay, Cursed at their parents, Committed adultery, Etc etc etc? But the absolute worst thing is because if you don't believe in this supposed christ, You are supposed to go to this mythical hell to burn forever in eternal damnation for doing absolutely nothing wrong. But wait! If you are Hitler (who was a devout supposed christian), Mao, Stalin, Hong Xiuquan, Pol Pot, A serial killer, A rapist, A sodomizer, A torturer, A pedophile who should rightly burn forever in eternal damnation, If they find this mythical christ, They are 100% guaranteed a spot in this mythical heaven. If this is not the evilest, Twisted piece of s--t f--ked upped thing from ---any--- religion, What is? But you don't know anything about other religions, So once again you have no idea what you are squawking about.

"Secondly, Fear of death, From an atheistic perspective, Is what drives humanity to greatness. " How do you even know what an "atheistic perspective" is? You don't.

"Thirdly, Death harms those who care for us. " It depends. Sometimes it doesn't even though most of the time it does. It does of course if it is a violent meaningless death such as with someone close being riddled with gunfire, Especially a child. Sometimes it doesn't of someone is in years of suffering such as cancer that has eaten away at this person's soul and mind.

"If indeed the God of Abraham exists. . . " Already talked about and it's from your losing point, Of course. Would you like specific verses because you haven't read your bible?

"ingenuity and entrepreneurship. " It makes no sense because according to you, Supposed christians have no independence (which in reality is true because you are dependant on a book and an unproven god). So we'll just delete it.

"Thirdly, When you die, People who love you are going to be hurt. " NOT EVERYBODY. IT DEPENDS. Btw, It also depends on the culture. Some cultures welcome death and are happy and are exhilarated about death. Please do some actual research.
"From an atheistic perspective. . . " OK you clearly have no idea, None as to what an atheist is. Here's a few things to help you. . .
* "The only way you can be a bad atheist is to believe in god. " Matt Dillahunty
* "You don't get to put your unreason upon the same shelf with my reason. " Bill Maher
* "Atheism is a response to a single claim, That some god exists. We don"t believe that"s true so we"re atheists. And that"s all it means. " Jen peeples

Atheism: 1. The doctrine or belief that there is no God. 2. Disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Here"s some videos to help you out and show that atheism is NOT a religion.

* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=7o5h0DdcyTA&t=264s - Reasons for accepting atheism B. O. P.
"Religious claims fail to meet their B. O. P. " Matt Dillahunty
"Its not that we accept atheism because you"re accepting a non belief. Or let me rephrase it. It the rejection of a belief. It means the same thing I suppose. You"re suggesting that we believe in something never indicated until indicated I can"t believe it. I mean you can make up any number of things that can come to your imagination, But when you posit them as true it is incumbent upon you to come up with a reason why we should believe that it is true. " Aron Ra
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=WbxqvugoJuw - Proof that atheism is accurate and correct
Atheism doesn"t have the B. O. P. It is the rejection of claims that have not met their B. O. P.
Atheism is the lack of belief in something.
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=E3rGev6OZ3w&t=130s - Penn Jillette: Reading the Bible (Or the Koran, Or the Torah) Will Make You an Atheist
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=lMLzThidlZM The Burden of Proof is on Christians or Atheist? ! - The Atheist Experience #776
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=_25w9CE73ak - Bill Maher - Atheism IS NOT a Religion
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=qHsFA7cp7M0&t=178s - Atheism a religion?
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=cUh91EP8ClE - The case for Atheism (Richard Carrier)
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=lDpEeHD54Mo&t=1397s - The Gospel According to Carrier
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=mLdjoEWOnec - A believers guide to Atheism in 9 minutes
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=wtO1e9breLs - Is Atheism a Dogmatic Religion?
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=TqhRlpjp4Dw - Atheist VS christian Jaclyn Glenn

"In conclusion, From the atheist's point of view, Death should be utterly terrifying. It is the end of all things, In which you leave behind all that you know and care for, " If you don't, In conclusion not know what an atheist is by now, Don't even bother continuing with this debate. I won't. Not only that, There's nothing wrong with, As nearly all atheists will admit having the end of all things. AND who knows if there is the end of all things? When people die it doesn't have to be the version of YOUR mythical heaven. AND when people die, People do not have to follow YOUR mythical silly little rules that any true god would know quadrillions of years beforehand.
Augom

Con

As expected, My opponent resorted to committing some of the most fallacious reasoning I have ever seen, Rather than actually answering my argument. Bravo.

"You cannot even prove that your god and christ have ever existed. "
First of all: Irrelevant to the discussion. Second of all: yes, Historians have proven without a doubt that Jesus Christ existed. I don't know why you seem to think otherwise. I would suggest leaving your atheistic circle-jerk echo chambers online. They seem to be influencing you with horrifically confused historical information.

"Simply google "Who fears death more? Those who are religious or atheists? "
This debate really should end right there"
Once again, Irrelevant appeal to the majority. I don't care who fears death more on average. The debate topic isn't: Who fears death more? ; its: Why fear death at all? You were supposedly arguing against whether atheists should fear death or not, And I was arguing why atheists should be afraid of it.

" Do you really think that A GOD would allow ANY DIFFERENCE from any translation to be lost"
This is a fallacious premise. In logically form it would look like this:
'If God inspired certain people throughout history to write a book so he could reveal himself to the world, Then he would not allow anything to be translated. '
How does that logically follow at all? You have not demonstrated why God wouldn't allow his word to be translated. In fact, I can give you quite a few reasons why he would allow that. But that's not the topic of the discussion. The point is, The central message of those verses that you posted does not change with the translation.

"There's no such thing as Christianity. There over 33, 480 denominations"
Uhhhh, I don't know where you got that number, But last I checked there were only a few hundred in America alone. And get this: each and ever denomination agrees on the central, Core aspects of christianity. If there's a denomination that doesn't agree with the central message, They aren't counted as Christians (and often labeled heretical). Most denominations only disagree regarding minor issues, Such as baptism, Reformed theology, Etc. Also, I don't see how this relates to the discussion.

Your response to my argument regarding the fact that you could be wrong about God demonstrated your deep confusion about Christianity. The bible teaches that if someone is truly saved by God, They will do good works that demonstrate to others that they are of God:
Ephesians 2:8-10 New International Version (NIV)
"8 For it is by grace you have been saved, Through faith"and this is not from yourselves, It is the gift of God" 9 not by works, So that no one can boast. 10 For we are God"s handiwork, Created in Christ Jesus to do good works, Which God prepared in advance for us to do. "
We have no reason to believe that anyone that you listed (Hitler, For example) were saved. They were all unrepentant, Evil, Bloodthirsty, Sinful murderers. True Christians are created in Christ to do good works. Someone who professes Christianity and yet lives in open sin should not be considered saved. Also, Hitler was a very bad example, Due to the fact that he PUBLICLY DENIED CHRIST'S DIVINITY SEVERAL TIMES OVER HIS LIFE. He was NOT a devout christian.

" How do you even know what an "atheistic perspective" is? You don't. "
You're appealing to my background as a christian rather than responding to my argument? Okay. Interesting.
My understanding of your perspective is not contingent upon me sharing said perspective with you. By that standard, I could say that you know nothing about Christianity (which seems to be true, Regardless) since you're an atheist.

'"ingenuity and entrepreneurship. ' It makes no sense because according to you, Supposed christians have no independence"
I don't see how this is a response to my argument. Again, All you're doing is attacking my worldview, Which isn't the topic of the debate right now.

So. . . Yeah. Your rebuttal was quite pitiful.
Now again, Why shoul
d an atheist fear death? According to my opponent: "IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOUR FAMILY IS DEVASTATED WHEN YOU DIE; DEATH DOESN'T INSPIRE INGENUITY; I'M NOT WRONG ABOUT THE AFTERLIFE. "
Each and ever one of these claims are flawed.
1. If your family isn't devastated when you die, ESPECIALLY when they believe (as atheists do) that death is the end of all things, You have a shitty family.
2. Yes, Fear of death inspires ingenuity. There's a good case to be made that fear of death is the driving force behind humanity. That alone is a good reason to fear it.
3. I'm not saying that you are wrong that there's no afterlife, Only that you might be. And if you are wrong about it, You may very well be going to hell. You actually seemed to agree with this? I'm not sure, Your arguments were very confused and uneducated.

In conclusion, All that you have done is commit fallacy after fallacy. You attacked my beliefs rather than investigating your own, You diverted from the topic at hand several times, And you resorted to insulting me as opposed to responding to my arguments.
Here, This might help:
https://en. Wikipedia. Org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

"As expected, My opponent resorted to committing some of the most fallacious reasoning I have ever seen, Rather than actually answering my argument. Bravo. "

That's reason enough for me to end this debate as you cannot even prove that your unproven storybook character god of print only is beyond print and thus even exists. And since YOU resorted to some of the most fallacious reasoning I have ever seen because you also do not even know what an atheist is, As proven by the videos and definitions that you did not even look at and or examine, There's no reason why I should continue wasting my time with a turtle dove such as you who does not even also not know that there's no such thing as christianity that he thinks he is "devout". Btw, Hitler was a devout christian (you might want to look that one up snookums). So was Hong Xiuquan. Yeah, You can look that one up as well.

So in conclusion to end this debate and thus declare this debate now over with me as the obvious triumphant winner, Not that it matters, Because my opponent flat out has no idea what he was yodeling about in his tank of "barking pumpkin", Frank Zappa's record label, And yet he pretended that he did, And only invented excuses instead of evidence to back up his frozen librarian stuck in absolute zero snow cold black hole useless bumbling babbling baby brained pet rubber ducky watering snot rag, Which amounted to popping his zits on his you know where areas which have crumpled up into a fiery wasteland.

One more thing. . .
Here's a whole host of reasons why someone should be an atheist, No exceptions, None, And not take the word of some idiot moron teeny bopper imbecile opponent who doesn't have the faintest f--king clue as to what he is squawking about but can only guess and invent excuses from something in which he clearly knows nothing about.
https://www. Bbc. Co. Uk/religion/religions/atheism/beliefs/reasons_1. Shtml
Have a good one sparky!
Augom

Con

So uh, I posted my argument the other day but for some reason it's not showing up.

Let's look at some of my opponent's claims before we go.

"you cannot even prove that your unproven storybook character god of print only is beyond print"- uh, How does this relate to the topic. . . At all?

" there's no such thing as christianity that he thinks he is "devout". Btw, Hitler was a devout christian"- First off, Irrelevant to the discussion. Second off, Nice self contradiction. You can't say that Christianity doesn't exist and then also say in the same sentence that Hitler was a devout christian. Third off, Hitler was NOT a christian. As I previously stated: If someone is truly saved, They will demonstrated that with good works. Since Hitler's 'works' were in flagrant violation to God's law, We can assume that he wasn't saved. He also denied the divinity of christ several times, Which is a core christian belief. So.
Using your logic here, I can say that: "Hitler was a vicious evolutionist (you might wanna look that one up, Snookums. ) who believed that he was speeding up natural selection by cleansing the gene pool through natural selection. Therefore, ALL EVOLUTIONISTS ARE NAZI-SYMPATHIZERS. " See the problem with your logic? Secularism was NOT a force for good in the 20th century. Indeed, Secularism is the direct cause of millions of innocent lives being lost. Does that mean that I get to categorize you as "evil", Since you're a secularist? Of course not.

Anyways, My opponent has resorted to insulting me this entire debate. He has clearly shown himself to be incapable of orderly, Genuine, Productive conduct. Thus, I'm leaving this debate here. I have no wish to go through any more of his insufferably fallacious statements and refute them.

Good day.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
Anyway. . As an atheist you can always go for reincarnation. It takes no god. . No believe. . It happens or not. . . So you just relax. . And you see you later. .
Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
No smitten one. I know with "evidence" until proven that there is no unproven storybook character god of print only bible. Even if proven, There is no reason based on common sense, Rationalizing, Thinking, Education, Intelligence, Research, And all logic that there is, Especially by reading your terrorist descriptive bible to believe in YOUR specific god.
You have no idea what I believe or what I know. But what I do know, Unlike you, I can prove because it's based on "evidence". Your unproven storybook character god of print only is based on faith. That's not evidence.
Some scientists are truthful. Some are not. Regardless, All good scientists will freely put into their daily routines "I don't know" for something that they don't know. Your religion cannot make the claim of "I don't know" because then this would mean that you unproven character storybook god of print only does not know everything that there is to know and would thus be imperfect. Well that would leave your sad pathetic ridiculous noosed dimwitted dullard snot meat sow religion in a state of not only forever turmoil, But panic as well. Here's something you don't get about scientific discoveries. . . Before a discovery is claimed as truth, It is checked and double checked and rechecked and doubled checked and rechecked and triple checked and double checked and quadruple checked again until a satisfactory outcome is reached. You, With your religion, It's not rechecked. You interpret without any guidelines whatsoever as there's no consensus. Simple. Go around to 20 different churches within a 20 mile radius with the most basic of things like the 10 commandments in order, How many days in order creation took with what each day entices, And what are the 10 plagues. 1 billion to 1 there will be disagreements with all of them. Care to make a wager on that if you are honest? Nah. You won't even make the attempt because you know it's true.
Time for my nap. Bye.
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
"Atheists don't in comparison to those who are religious, Especially christians". . . Think there is no difference. But Atheists just die. . Religious people can be concerned about "their" " afterlife".
Posted by Augom 1 year ago
Augom
ugh, My wifi keeps lagging and double posting all of my comments
Posted by Augom 1 year ago
Augom
You believe on faith that there is no God.
You believe on faith that millions of years of evolutionary development took place, Despite the geologic record showing that it hasn't AND the fact that we haven't observed any type of darwinian macroevolution taking place EVER
You believe on faith that the scientists and atheists you so frequently appeal to are being truthful, And that their presuppositions haven't influenced how they've interpreted the evidence

It's a lot easier for me to believe that "In the beginning God" than "In the beginning dirt that spontaneously came from absolute nothingness evolved into complex life forms".
Posted by Augom 1 year ago
Augom
You believe on faith that there is no God.
You believe on faith that millions of years of evolutionary development took place, Despite the geologic record showing that it hasn't AND the fact that we haven't observed any type of darwinian macroevolution taking place EVER
You believe on faith that the scientists and atheists you so frequently appeal to are being truthful, And that their presuppositions haven't influenced how they've interpreted the evidence

It's a lot easier for me to believe that "In the beginning God" than "In the beginning dirt that spontaneously came from absolute nothingness evolved into complex life forms".
Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=liQf_l2PO-I Why Continue Living if You"re an Atheist?
Posted by Atheistic_Christian 1 year ago
Atheistic_Christian
@backwardseden I am behind both @Augom and my "story book God".
Posted by backwardseden 1 year ago
backwardseden
@Augom - If you are referring to me in losing this debate, I never lose religious debates and neither does ---any--- atheist who has even in the teeniest tiniest littlest bit of competence, Unlike you. Why? Because those who are involved with ---any--- type of religion cannot prove that their god exists, No matter what religion that that specific god may happen to be from as no god in the history of the human race has ---ever--- been proven as all god(s) no matter which religion is all based on faith and faith cannot be proven. And in your case, It's even worse because this means that ALL CREATIONISTS, Every single one, Is a fake and is fraudulent because all they have to go on is faith and because of this they will ---never--- take a stand for YOUR unproven storybook character god of print only and actually put it on trial again. Indeed they cannot and will not stand behind their product, Namely their god and take any kind of true responsibility for it. Yeah, They know better when it comes to actual truth because they know they will ultimately fail and lose when it comes to actual proof. Duh. Got it lump lard in your scrotum soda neck? Too bad if you don't. Deal with it.
Posted by Augom 1 year ago
Augom
My guy, Anyone who legitimately thinks that you won this debate needs mental help.
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Vote Placed by dsjpk5 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro called Con "teeny bopper " as an insult. This is poor conduct.

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