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backwardseden
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Bruh_Gay
Pro (for)

Why would any idiot god of the bible or the quran rely on text or faith to prove its survival?

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Started: 1/4/2020 Category: Religion
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backwardseden

Con

It wouldn't. No stupid idiot unproven character storybook god of print only because no god from any religion has yet to be proved in the entire existence of the human race, Would ever rely on or faith and or text, Namely the bible or the quran (same exact god, No difference) to rely on its survival instead of evidence?

Prove the the unproven character storybook god of print only of the bible/ quran, Book of mormon exists.

Test, Demonstrate and assert that the unproven character storybook god of print only of the bible/ quran, Book of mormon exists.

Since the only communication that man has with this so-called unproven printed character god of print only is through text, Namely the bible/ quran/ book of mormon and no scientific information is offered within them to prove its god, No scientific terminologies/ information will be allowed within this debate.

Dsjpk5 is disqualified from the voting procedures as he tries to pretend he's god and thus change the voting structure of who wins and loses here on DDO.
Bruh_Gay

Pro

The bible is wrong, According to modern science. In the beginning, There was nothing. Then god said let there be light and there was light. If there was nothing at the start, Then where did god come from? The bible was written by a whole bunch off idiots that were probably high on coke. Yet it's the only "proof" of god. Therefore, I can only conclude that god is mentally retarded, And sentence him to ten years to the ranch.
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Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
and shalt stone them with stones, Till they die. "
So since this is true and since you believe it, Then you come on down here and you stone me with stones until I die. YOU FOLLOW YOUR s--t of lords commands and you do it right now. Oh but wait. You are not going to do it? Why____? Why not____? It's because YOUR unproven storybook character god of print only, If a true god and actually cared about one god damned thing would never make such hideous laws rules and regulations. Oh there's plenty more THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA EXIST! And you know it! I can show you plenty of verses where YOUR unproven god committed deliberate genocides against babies and children. How's that for fun?

"Nobody can tell me that I believe otherwise, For it is my belief. " You are so chock full of your self righteous ego. And 100-1 you are that lonely person left out in the cold, The one with no genuine friends or loved ones. None. And since this is what you "believe" (notice that believe is in quotation marks? ) and since no one can tell you otherwise, Which means you cannot be reasoned with, Which this ---also--- means in chunks of canned tuna heavily watered down that you cannot think, Rationalize, Use common sense nor use logic on your own, That you require something else to conglomerate your persona as a backup and you cannot under any circumstance stand on your own two feet in which case I truly was hoping that you could, But you just right there proved me wrong and ripped it out from the shadows, We're done. Bye.
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
1 Kings 22:23 "Now therefore, Behold, The LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, And the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee. "

But the worst of it is. . .
Ezekiel 20:25-26 "Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, And judgments whereby they should not live; 26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, In that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, That I might make them desolate, To the end that they might know that I am the LORD. "
God says that he intentionally gave out bad laws. (This means that God-given laws or commandments are sometimes suspect. )

3. "But we as members of the Church of Jesus Christ seek out all good books which testify of His divine mission. " How do you know what that is if you have not previously read it? And what a true load of utter B. S. "That includes the Bible, And I cherish the words of the Bible. " Oh I see, So now it"s time for a true contradiction and to 100% prove you fatally wrong. Is that it?
Deuteronomy 13: 9-10 "But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, And afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, That he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, Which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, From the house of bondage.
Deuteronomy 17: 2-5 "If there be found among you, Within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee, Man or woman, That hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God, In transgressing his covenant, 3 And hath gone and served other gods, And worshipped them, Either the sun, Or moon, Or any of the host of heaven, Which I have not commanded; 4 And it be told thee, And thou hast heard of it, And enquired diligently, And, Behold, It be true, And the thing certain, That such abomination is wrought in Israel: 5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman,
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
translations is misinterpreting. You included. You just got caught.

"Also, If text cannot "prove" that God is real, Then how can it prove otherwise, As it cannot prove anything? " Now you"re getting it. A-N-Y-B-O-D-Y can very easily make up a story. It"s really not that hard.

"1. I understand your question. How could I know that it was "God" indeed? I have wondered this myself at times. " No, Sadly you haven"t. "I will tell you this, However. God's Spirit is unmistakable. " Really? From what that is easily mistaken? How do you know if there's been no mistakes?
"When I read the promises of the scriptures"" OK woah. There are no promises in any scriptures, Not one that any god would be stupid enough to encapsulate in text. Because if true then there would be one helluva lot more than JUST LIL OLE YOU who pray one helluva lot harder than you, Who know YOUR unproven god one heck-of-a-lot better than you, Who most certainly suffer through pain and agony one helluva lot more than you could ever hope, Who would also be able to communicate with this supposed unproven god AND because so so so many more would be able to, It would grab worldwide attention and would make the news, Websites, Be broadcast over the idiot box, Somehow, In some way through the media. So why hasn't this happened? It's not even a close call. Why are those football teams who made it to the superbowl yesterday a lot more special and popular than your unproven storybook character god of print only and your superior ego god complex in which case the bible is entirely about and nothing else is exactly that?
2. Oh absolutely your god DOES lie. Wow. Ezekiel 14:9 "And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, And I will stretch out my hand upon him, And will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. "
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
knowingly puts people through this suffering of unimaginable terrors. Don"t think so?
https://bible. Knowing-jesus. Com/words/Terror - 187 occurrences in 13 translations.
If in any possible way this god of YOURS were true, It would end suffering. POOF GONE. And again please answer" What can children possibly learn from suffering? If you"ve answered "nothing", You"ve answered correctly.

1 Timothy 4:12, Which reads, "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, In word, In conversation, In charity, In spirit, In faith, In purity. "
I see. Thoroughly disgusting. I"ll leave it at that. You at this point in your life are far too young to understand.
"Haha right? Although we are often casually called "Mormons, " we are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, And we worship Him, " You worship --- what exactly? You cannot, Nor can anyone prove that this christ has ever existed. You probably don"t even know that the NT was not even put into book form until at least 100 years after the death of this so-called christ leaving plenty of time for people to make up anything they wanted. Not only that but the oldest known NT is from 367 A. D. Not only that but it is known that the people who hung around this unproven christ could not read or write. So what were these apostles (who had nothing to do with scribing the NT btw and in fact NOBODY knows who the authors were) supposed to do? Carry around EVERYTHING, Or even partial bits of what christ said in their brains and memorize it and pass it down from generation to generation? Really? Memory is the ab-so-lu-te worst form of recall and evidence. To prove it, Upon reading this, Remember exactly what you did for the past 15 minutes. Since in no possible way can you, And neither can anyone else, Not even those who can remember b-days from 50 years ago, There"s no possible way that the NT is accurate in any possible way and everybody reading the MILLIONS of different
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
There are many times where right from wrong doesn"t hit me square in the face. The same is true for up from down, East from west. But I can learn from my miss-steaks. You"d be surprised at how precious few your age here on DDO, Don"t. They think they have the keys to unlocking the universe, When all they know how to do is dredge up incorrect wheat bile that surrounds their not too smart thinking caps. AND they have precious few, In any friends and loved ones. It"s a HUGE red flag and after a few posts, Emails or arguments it"s so ridiculously easy to spot.

See, You "believe" that you have sensed god. Which god? Why only one god? We"ve been over this + a bizillion of other questions?
Here"s the thing that you simply don"t get" Why do you believe without evidence rather than having evidence, Any evidence and then believing? What makes you so special that this "god" would pick you out of the little and NO ONE else? Certainly, A 4 year old girl who is constantly raped, Beaten and tortured while daddy is punching her in the face sometimes twice per week all the way up until 17 years old and then she decided to run away from home and that"s only the start of her horrors, She"d be more deserving - right? Or how about a 6 year old girl who was raped so badly by her daddy that her vagina turned into her a$$. What about her. Don"t you think she"s more deserving? What about all the men, Women and children in Nigeria and Ethiopia who are STARVING and god for days without food or water? Don"t you think they are more deserving of your supposed storybook character UNPROVEN god of print only attention? See. That"s not how things work with YOUR unproven pathetic s--t of a god. First it knowingly creates every single man, Woman and child. AND it knows what every single man, Woman and child will be doing, Their destinies etc etc. Otherwise you cannot be a god. Therefore this frickin maggot god knowingly creates pain and suffering otherwise it would not create it and it
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
as a form of communication, Advertisement or correspondence possible the absolute worst form of communication, Advertisement or correspondence TO A GOD! This unproven storybook character god of print only would know, If true BEFOREHAND that text is utter B. S. And would never use it, Not even one syllable quadrillions of years before man was rockin" in the cradle up until now. There"s at least 50 other reasons why this is true. Let"s see if you can think of at least 3 more. Hopefully you can. The websites and video should give you some clues at to quite a few more than a mere 3.
The major difference between you and me is I CAN back up what I say with evidence whereas you can"t. Faith is not evidence. You cannot have a god go POOF right out from a book and expect that to be evidence. So any book you use is not evidence. So what"s left? Science? Sure. But I don"t even need to read the book of mormon to 100% know that there"s no scientific information in it to prove your unproven god.

Wow! You should see what just happened" I just googled "Contradictions in the book of mormon". About 282, 000 results came up. That"s really not that bad. Still. But you should see what it goes against and what it contradicts. Yes, I already knew. Try it and see what comes up. Google is not a load of bull and it does know better than you, No offense.
Now do you really think that a true god would not know of all this gibberish of contradictions alone, Not only in the torah, But then in the bible, And then in the book of mormon and would never use text? Is a "GOD" REALLY THAT STUPID that is CAN"T think of some other way of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence? If you don"t think so, And you want to stick to text, Then please, Save it and don"t even bother posting me anymore. I truly don"t wish to communicate with those who are truly uneducated and unintelligent.
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
OK. I glanced through your goo and guess what I saw first and foremost? That term "mormon", The least respected, And rightly so of pretty near ---any--- religion ever invented. Granted, I don"t know that much about it, And I plan on keeping it that way because let"s face it, All the abrahamic religions, Which are judaism, Islam and christianity in which case supersedes mormonism in which case I do know a great deal about, Are sheer terrorism as I have read each of their texts. But granted, No need to reread the torah again to envelop christianity, I can start with the NT and dig in which is what I have done.

All you have to do, Since you brought google up, Is google "verses of terror in the bible".
http://skepticsannotatedbible. Com/dwb/intro. Html - Drunk With Blood Introduction (push the play button)
https://infidels. Org/library/modern/donald_morgan/contradictions. Html (The Secular Web - nearly everything you could possibly want is here)
https://docs. Google. Com/document/d/1f6ZewV_Ro5HLixACGE_wgJrnlFNVKVxTfuVALqARNEs/edit (Dossier of Reason - nearly everything you could possibly want is here)
http://bibviz. Com/ (Awesome site)
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=RB3g6mXLEKk - Quiz Show (bible contradictions)

See, All of those sites back each other up with constant consistencies which is something that I 100% guarantee you that your church, Websites and wherever you go seriously lacks. To prove it, Go around to 20 churches within a 20 mile radius and have them recite something super simple like the 10 commandments and the 7 days of creation. 1 billion to 1 there will be no consensus when damn right there should be. The problem is, Is there over 33, 480 denominations of christianity when last checked. So who"s to say which one is correct? And who is it to say that the version of your mormonism is correct?
In other words, No idiot god IF TRUE would ever use text, Namely your book of mormon, Not for any reason, Not ever, It wouldn"t even be dreamt of,
Posted by TheCelloGuy 2 years ago
TheCelloGuy
@backwardseden https://docs. Google. Com/document/d/1hWGALrUjIGXdMMD1b8AmBjINXx4J9PtFi7897w98cew/edit? Usp=drivesdk
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
in which case no one has in order for billions of others to believe in it. 11. Then once all of those are done, Present all of that, The test, The demonstrating, The asserting, The declaration, And prepare a paper. 12. Once that's done present that to -any- scientific community from around the world of merit. Sorry. They won't accept it.
Wow. OK so how did someone just POOF from nowhere suddenly hear YOUR god's voice and that it wasn't an unknown some type of diseased schizophrenia? After all, It is more than well known that YOU MUST pray FIRST to this thing before you hear an answerback (yeah am using that definition deliberately). It works that way first and first only. So here's something that you as a child, And you are defined as a child whether you like it or not cannot possibly answer correctly because nobody ever has. . . What can children possibly learn from suffering? If you've answered "nothing", You've answered correctly. So supposing that this "god" of yours exists, In which case it is to be locked up in YOUR head, And why should I believe YOU without -any- tangible evidence whatsoever, AND it clearly believes that suffering is the utmost of eloquence and beauty and obviously point-blank loves it, Otherwise it would have gotten rid of it since the dawn of man, D-U-H, And truly hates children (but you are off the hook for that one because you don't read your bible goodie for you), + + +, So why on earth, "why believe? " especially when you haven't the foggiest clue nor a definition as to what christianity is, Nor as to what a god is, Which clearly shows you don't know what you are -talking- about?
I see. "the truthfulness of scriptures of the scriptures by the power of the Holy Ghost if you actually want to know. " Actually I do know. I've read it. YOU read YOUR truthfulness. You don't even know what your bible says or states. Your bible contains the worst religious act, By far, For any religion. Have you read and understood it? Clearly NOPE!
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
@TheCelloGuy - Typical. I knew you were in your teens, Didn't know one god damned thing about your "christian" religion even before looking at your profile. "Of course, God doesn't rely on text to "prove" His existence. No text can. " Very good. Someone out of roughly 1 hundred billion who have ever walked on planet earth actually gets it. But then again, Text, Is the only form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence that there's been between a storybook unproven character god of print only biblical superior god ego complex in which the bible is entirely about and nothing else in which case no idiot god would ever use text to prove it's existence. So it's a double whammy.
It's not a matter of "I" wanting to prove "your" god's existence. I'm an atheist. It's a matter of "you" wanting to prove your god's existence because once again, Nobody has ever been able to, Thank god and rightly and justly so. So how can you claim yourself to be a "christian" in which case there is no such thing? Btw, Even the bible proves it.
Let's move on. . . "But He can. If you really want answers, Talk to Him yourself. But if you think that you're too smart to hear His voice, Then forget it. " Soooo many problems with that ideal. 1, How do you know it was a "god"? 2. Much less the right god? 3. Much less the christian god because you don't know anything at all about the christian god because you do not read the bible, Therefore, You cannot know what christianity is? 4. Why only one god? 5. Why not thousands, Millions, Billions, Quadrillions of gods? 6. Or the very best bet is why no gods because you cannot prove that any gods from any religion, As stated before even exist? 7. Define a "god" since you do not know what a "god" is? 8. Test, Demonstrate the god you "believe" in, In order for me to believe in it. 9. Then if you can do that in which case no one has, Assert this god in order for me and billions of others to believe in it. 10. Then declare this god.
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