death penalty

I used to be anti-death penalty, But my views were shaken recently when someone I knew was murdered, Shot 5 times and left to bleed to death in a parking lot at 4am.

A few ideas I thought would be worth sharing:

The argument "you're no better than they are" is absurd. Killing a guilty person is not the same as killing an innocent person.

The argument "everyone deserves a second chance" - agreed, Especially murder victims.

When there is a grieving family and the dead body of a victim that needs to be buried. . Concerning yourself at all with the well-being / mental health of the murderer seems wrong somehow.

Does one waive their civil rights when they choose not to be civil?

I'm sure there's a gray area, But when it happens to someone you know, It's hard to think anything would be too harsh a punishment for a murder.

I'd be in favor of the death penalty, If I had enough faith in the justice systems to PROPERLY implement it.

I'm pro death penalty, For moral reasons:

1) Death is not inherently bad to the dead. The secular (me) believe that death is like having eternity pass in a night. Thus it cannot be bad, Only a nothing. The only reason murder is bad is because it harms living people's emotional and life quality. When public opinion says that a man is bad, Killing him relieves their hate and feelings of insecurity.
2) The mentally ill, Are, For the most part, Responsible for their actions. There DOES have to be something wrong with you if you kill somebody, But that doesn't excuse or justify wrong. It's something that's mostly inherent, At the moment incurable. It's in the way they process and think. Even if they were released when cured, The public would hate them still, Which leads to the next point. . .
3) The public is ruthless. The group absolves the individual of guilt, So lynchings would become more common. Despite the fact that many are against the death penalty, Feelings change when your friend is killed. Even if not, There will always be people eager to fill the role of judge, Jury and executor. By letting the government control who lives and dies, Unnecessary and cruel killings are avoided.
4) "Murder is murder is murder is. . . " Yeah. The death penalty IS murder. Murder with a deserving victim and a guiltless system. Saying 'murder' doesn't change the fact that it's an act that can have positive effects. "Murder is bad", Ah, A man of wisdom. Murder is not inherently bad for reasons I have already stated: death cannot be anything but good (heaven/punishment) or nothing, It is bad because it affects the welfare of people. This is my arbitrary line in the sand; people are important because I'm a person and would like to be benefited. Thus I assume the same for everyone else. The people benefit from knowing the evil is gone. Then murdering evil is good for the people (not the person), And the 'mentally ill' no longer suffer.
Thank you for reading.

I would like to answer Kaiser's comment. I think that you should read your bible. The Bible commanded in Leviticus Chapter 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death. "
Exodus 21:12 - He that smiteth a man, So that he die, Shall be surely put to death.
Numbers 35:30-31 - Whoso killeth any person, The murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person [to cause him] to die.
God doesn't beleive in capital punishment?
Maybe you need to read your bible.

I don't know about what you guys believe in, But each one of us are gods creation, We are all valued and a human life should be respected. If someone murders or kills or harms another purposely, He should face permanent jail time and god will judge him when he's dead, Murder does not justify murder.

"Eye for an eye" is the same $hit that's wrong with Islam.

Such short answers, It may as well be a YouTube live chat debate Lol. Well firstly it should not be an option when someone pleads guilty. Otherwise, How many innocent people are put on death row? Obviously the justice system isn't competent enough to be making decisions about people's lives when they F*&K up so often.

I totally disagree, Because we don't have the right to take the life, No matter that the bad things had done or negative stuffs.

Pro conceded, Therefore con had to win.

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What a miserable debate on whole. . . Both teams failed to bring out any substantive evidence and reasoning. . .
However, I was left agreeing with con.
At the end of the day, The death penalty is wrong - Pro's main point here was its a cost-effective way to remove criminals from society. . . But as con stated pretty clearly these people who are killing people. . . Committing terrible crimes against society are MENTALLY ILL.
The question here is does society have a responsibility to address the mental health of its criminals?
The answer although uneasy to accept is yes. The people in society who commit mass shootings, Murders, Rape people etc. . . . These people have had society neglect and fail them. The science shows us that there is a strong AF correlation between school shooters, White supremists etc, And children who grow up facing abuse, Drugs, Incaration of parents, Lack of education. . . So one. Society has failed them! - We don't not get to choose what family we are born in. . . Whether are parents are going to be apart of gangs, Do drugs, Go to jail, Beat us! - Thus society HAS an obligation to swoop in when these people get to the stage where they commit terrible crimes and FIX THEM! - Society should have been there right at the start to stop the bad upbringing of the child! - But they werent. . . .
Rehabilitation of these criminals although expensive and costly to the tax payer dollar is a society responsibility. We ALL owe those people a proper life. . . A decent future, And a healthy mind. Killing off our own problems sure aint gonna fix them people!