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Started: 12/7/2007 Category: Society
Updated: 14 years ago Status: Voting Period
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marge11

Con

two wrongs don't make a right. killing people who kill people isn't teaching anyone anything except to reciprocate with something more dramatic and unnecessary.
mariahsaywhaaa

Pro

Okay good point, but putting a mass murder in jail and having tax payers pay for 3 square meals and a pretty decent life isn't teaching anyone especially them any lesions.
Debate Round No. 1
marge11

Con

everyone makes mistakes, some worse than others. but everyone deserves a second chance. if someone would go as far to intentionally kill someone, then something must be clinically wrong with them. whether it's out of anger, envy, or jealousy they have a twisted way of thinking that killing the person who is making them feel like that is the best way to go. anyone who thinks like that should see a therapist, not be considered a liability to our country.
mariahsaywhaaa

Pro

if someone does "go insane" and kills a mass amount of people or even just one, and is convicted who do you think is paying for there therapist?!
Debate Round No. 2
marge11

Con

the same people who are paying to keep them in prison. the same people who pay for their meals. the same people who pay for lethal injection. it's more convenient and saves money to use capitol punishment over a life sentence, but no one has the authority to chose whether someone lives or dies.
mariahsaywhaaa

Pro

it's not that it's just cheaper but if no one has that authority to take someone else's life then the person that commited that crime must reap the same doing. if someone decides one day to take someones life for no good reason then they should in my opinion get the same treatment.

"an eye for an eye"
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by gonovice 14 years ago
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excellent for you know you just have to try it.
Posted by Ineffablesquirrel 14 years ago
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gonovice, your comment has been duly noted.
Posted by gonovice 14 years ago
gonovice
Ineffablesquirrel, you need to stop acting like a know it all
Posted by Ineffablesquirrel 14 years ago
Ineffablesquirrel
You act like I haven't thoroughly researched this topic (I have a degree in criminology and took classes specifically about punishments). You say "have you ever talked to someone in prison" and that you're "sure" they aren't raising their hands to be put to death. This is personal opinion and not backed up by any facts. Hmm, have you actually gone through an execution? Do you know how painful it is? No, it isn't possible to know these things, so you cannot rationally make such an encompassing statement.

Also, before you attack someone irrationally/emotionally, you should actually READ the complete statement that was made. I am not for the death penalty and that is WHAT I SAID. The bit about "rot in prison....moderately painless and quick" was to give another reason to NOT support the death penalty...if the cost-ineffectiveness is not enough reasoning for you. [If you actually research the death penalty, the way most states do it with lethal injection is fairly painless and moderately quick...they give you a cocktail of drugs, the first of which numbs you to pain...BUT this is not to say that there haven't been several botched executions.]

Once again, in case you still don't understand it, I am against the death penalty for the aforementioned reasons...
Posted by nene_cinci 14 years ago
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Ineffablesquirrel: You couldn't be more wrong about
"They just rot in prison (which in my opinion, if we're basing this argument on retribution/"eye for an eye" ideology) is a worse punishment than death (which is moderately painless and quick).". Have you ever talked to someone in prison, that has life without parole? Because I am sure that they are not raising thier hands to be put on death row and killed. And for the whole painless and quick death statement....WOW! No. People say it is quick and painless because that makes them look like what they support is right, but the truth is that you don't die quick and you most definitely do not die with out any pain. It just looks painless to the ones watching the person. Well if that makes them feel better lets just keep violating peoples RIGHT TO LIFE!
Posted by Ineffablesquirrel 14 years ago
Ineffablesquirrel
In my statement below is the link to the site that bethanyann09 mentioned. The Death Penalty Information Center truly displays all the aspects of the death penalty, from costs to future executions to botched executions...check it out. Inform yourself.
Posted by Ineffablesquirrel 14 years ago
Ineffablesquirrel
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." - Mahatma Gandhi

And if that isn't enough, the idea that it is a more cost-efficient approach to use the death penalty than leave people in prison is false. Completely and utterly false. Sorry, but most people who claim this is a valid statement have never studied or been in the criminology field. Using the death penalty (lethal injection being the most popular) is actually more expensive, then just leaving that person in prison. Strange, I know. I was surprised when I first learned this. I have done much research in this area and have talked to people from this field. Carrying out the death penalty (including imprisonment, trials, re-trials, salaries of judges/lawyers, appeals, and the actual execution) is very costly even though the average citizen does not realize this. Here is a link with a long article about just HOW costly it is: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org...

On average (keep in mind it is more expensive in some states), it costs SIX times more to execute someone than to give them life in prison without the possibility of parole. There is NO chance they can return to society, so that argument cannot be made. They just rot in prison (which in my opinion, if we're basing this argument on retribution/"eye for an eye" ideology) is a worse punishment than death (which is moderately painless and quick).
Posted by PreacherFred 14 years ago
PreacherFred
I often find it disturbing that people asociate an monetery value with a life. Marge is certainly that a mass murder or serial killer suffers from a severe mental condition.

While the Bible may be quoted as saying "An eye for an eye" it also may be quoted as saying, "...leave the judgement to Me (God)."

Some convicted murders come to see the errors of their ways so to speak and make valuable contributions from their jail cells. he founder of Gang Members Anonymous is serving a life sentence in California.

Gotta go with Marge on this one.
Posted by bethanyann09 14 years ago
bethanyann09
Most people do not realize how expensive the death penalty actually is. It is a proven fact that the death penalty costs tax payers 3 times or more taxes than incarceration for life without the possibility of parole does. The economic costs of a state with the death penalty are enormous. I encourage you all to visit "The death penalty information center" online. The death penalty system is far more expensive than states that do not have it due to the court process and the inmate being in a high security cell for usually up to 20 years before he faces death. Also, over 100 innocent people have been freed from death row since 1976. Some were freed just hours before their scheduled execution site with evidence of their innocence. How can anyone say that at least one innocent person was no as lucky? Chances are, there has been at least one innocent man that was wrongly executed and just one is too many. The death penalty also acts as a racist system and against the poor. A rich white man has far less of a chance of receiving a death sentence than someone who is poor and black. The fact is, the death penalty is a flawed system that should not be inacted any longer. Due to its extreme costs for a policy that research show actually does not deter crime, prisons are overcrowded, the American courts lack proper funding, and police officers and correction workers face unemployment because of the burden of costs for the death penalty. I am actually a conservative Republican but in light of my research of the death penalty, I strongly oppose it.
Posted by nene_cinci 14 years ago
nene_cinci
it is also i proven fact that it cost tax payers more to kill a man than to keep the person in jail for life.
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