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god lied and was a contradictory hypocrite

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backwardseden

Con

You will be taking the Pro stance in this debate and would have to prove that the unproven character storybook god of print only never lied and was never a contradictory hypocrite in the bible and in doing as such you would have to counter with the proof and or proofs being presented by using chapters and verses only from either the KJV, NIV or NLT.
One lie and or contradictory hypocritical manipulation especially coming from the very verses of a supposed "god" is enough to rip it to shreds. But nah, You people who claim you are religious and believe in this unproven storybook character god of print only, Where is your evidence that it even exists, Much less to believe in it and why believe in it especially when according to YOUR printed text based on it, It directly lies to you and also there's many contradictory hypocritical verses and inconsistencies that spew out from it? Really? Does a supposed god/ supreme deity do this? Yep. According to the bible it does.

dsjpk5 is disqualified from the voting procedures as he tries to pretend he's god and thus change the voting structure of who wins and loses here on DDO.
Julian789

Pro

First of all I would like to invite you to see what is a contradiction. The law of noncontradiction says that one thing can t be at the same time X and the opposed of X. In other words, It can t rain and not to rain at the same time. Something like this is found in the Bible.
For example, In the Gospel of Matthew it is said that two blind men met Jesus, But at the same time, Mark and Luke say that he was only one. With all of that neither one of those statements doesn t deny the other but it complements them. Sometimes two paragraphs look like they are in contradiction because of a poor translation. Knowing the original bible languages (greek and hebrew) like any other language, Have their own specific traits that are difficult to translate in English or any other language. Some apparent confusion in the Scriptures arises from insufficient knowledge of the context, Without necessarily assuming an error. They only indicate our own ignorance about the specific features of that period. As we know more and more about history and archeology the Bible contradictions will be clearer. We (the Christians) see God as almighty and omnipotent and his word once understood in depth, Cannot be contradictory. The Bible was not written by God. It was written over the course of 1500 years with more than 40 authors, Some were Joshua (army general), Daniel (prime minister) or Peter (fisherman). So the events in the bible are very real not some children's stories.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Con

Wow did you step into a puddle of p**s and poo and you don't even know it by the fact that you are ignorant, Unintelligent or uneducated or all three in one big mess. I'd be willing to bet its all three.
"First of all I would like to invite you to see what is a contradiction. " You don't even know what a contradiction is. Much less what a supermassive hypocritical contradiction is. Much less what a supermassive hypocritical contradiction and inconsistency is which numbers, Easily, In the thousands in YOUR bible in which no god would be stupid enough, Not ever, Not for any reason, To use text, Namely your bible as a form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence, The absolute worst form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence possible TO A GOD in which case you cannot prove any god from any religion, Much less your god even exists, Thank god.
But since you were dumb and stupid enough to NOT attack the subject matter at hand, That's fine, We'll change the subject matter to what YOU want it to which are contradictions in YOUR esteemed bible and thus end the debate right here and now on one swift stroke with one tooting horn. Let's just quickly reveal 7 really fun ones. Btw, These are taken from The Secular Web as well as a video that knows far better than you.
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=RB3g6mXLEKk - Quiz Show (bible contradictions)

There are oh so many supermassive hypocritical contradictions and inconsistencies which are once again why your unproven god would never use text. The first one, Is one big fat whopper. Yeah it"s all wrapped into one and shows the one ideal you supposed christians (there is no such thing as a christian) most believe in as truth which is the resurrection. Here it is as yodeled in your bible. It"s a gigantic incongruent mess showing that it couldn"t have possibly happened. Do you still want to believe in YOUR unproven character storybook god of print only that"s never been proven and not believe what is right in front of your eyes? Really?
Supermassive hypocritical contradiction and inconsistency #1.
MT 27:62-66 A guard was placed at the tomb (the day following the burial).
MK 15:42- 16:8, LK 23:50-56, JN 19:38-42 (No guard is mentioned. This is important since rumor had it that Jesus' body was stolen and the Resurrection feigned. )
MK 16:1-3, LK 24:1 (There could not have been a guard, As far as the women were concerned, Since they were planning to enter the tomb with spices. Though the women were aware of the stone, They were obviously unaware of a guard. )

MT 24:9 Even some of the disciples of Jesus will be killed.
JN 8:51 If anyone keeps Jesus' words, He will never see death.
HE 9:27 "All" men die once, Then judgement follows.

MT 28:1 The first visitors to the tomb were Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (two).
MK 16:1 Both of the above plus Salome (three).
LK 23:55 thru 24:1& 24:10 Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, And "other women" (at least five).
JN 20:1 Mary Magdalene only (one).

MT 28:1 It was toward dawn when they arrived.
MK 16:2 It was after sunrise.
LK 24:1 It was at early dawn.
JN 20:1 It was still dark.

MT 28:1-2 The stone was still in place when they arrived. It was rolled away later.
MK 16:4, LK 24:2, JN 20:1 The stone had already been rolled (or taken) away.

MT 28:2 An angel arrived during an earthquake, Rolled back the stone, Then sat on it (outside the tomb).
MK 16:5 No earthquake, Only one young man sitting inside the tomb.
LK 24:2-4 No earthquake. Two men suddenly appear standing inside the tomb.
JN 20:12 No earthquake. Two angels are sitting inside the tomb.

MT 28:8 The visitors ran to tell the disciples.
MK 16:8 They said nothing to anyone.
LK 24:9 They told the eleven and all the rest.
JN 20:10-11 The disciples returned home. Mary remained outside, Weeping.

MT 28:8-9 Jesus' first Resurrection appearance was fairly near the tomb.
LK 24:13-15 It was in the vicinity of Emmaus (seven miles from Jerusalem).
JN 20:13-14 It was right at the tomb.

MT 28:7-10, MT 28:16 Although some doubted, The initial reaction of those that heard the story was one of belief since they followed the revealed instructions.
MK 16:11, LK 24:11 The initial reaction was one of disbelief. All doubted.

MT 28:1-18 The order of Resurrection appearances was: Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, Then the eleven.
MK 16:9-14 It was Mary Magdalene, Then two others, Then the eleven.
LK 24:15-36 It was two, Then Simon (Peter? ), Then the eleven.
JN 20:14 - 21:1 It was Mary Magdalene, Then the disciples without Thomas, Then the disciples with Thomas, Then the eleven disciples again.
1CO 15:5-8 It was Cephas (Peter? ), Then the "twelve" (which twelve, Judas was dead? ), Then 500+ brethren (although AC 1:15 says there were only about 120), Then James, Then all the Apostles, Then Paul.
There's absolutely nothing you can say that is within all that gibberish of your text, Namely your bible, To bring it all together and actually make sense out of it, And bring any kind of truth to it, Which is exactly what you and so-called christians (yeah right) rely on and bank on for your bible to present you and others with any kind of knowledge to bring you to a correct path of enlightenment. Why do you think there are over 33, 480 denominations of christianity? There's---no---consensus. Are you kidding?
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Contradiction 2.
GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. "
The contradiction"
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.
"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. "
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Supermassive hypocritical contradiction and inconsistency #3.
god is seen
GE 12:7, "And the Lord appeared unto Abram, And said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the Lord, Who appeared unto him. "
17:1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, The Lord appeared to Abram, And said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, And be thou perfect. "
18:1 "And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;"
26:2 "And the Lord appeared unto him, And said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:",
32:30 "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, And my life is preserved. "
EX 3:16 "Go, And gather the elders of Israel together, And say unto them, The Lord God of your fathers, The God of Abraham, Of Isaac, And of Jacob, Appeared unto me, Saying, I have surely visited you, And seen that which is done to you in Egypt:"
6:2-3 "And God spake unto Moses, And said unto him, I am the Lord: 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, Unto Isaac, And unto Jacob, By the name of God Almighty, But by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. "
24:9-11 "Then went up Moses, And Aaron, Nadab, And Abihu, And seventy of the elders of Israel:10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, And as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, And did eat and drink.
33:11 "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, As a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, The son of Nun, A young man, Departed not out of the tabernacle. "
NU 12:14:14 "And they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that thou Lord art among this people, That thou Lord art seen face to face, And that thy cloud standeth over them, And that thou goest before them, By day time in a pillar of a cloud, And in a pillar of fire by night. "
JB 42:5 " I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. "
AM: 9:1 "I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, Smite the lintel of the door, That the posts may shake: and cut them in the head, All of them; and I will slay the last of them with the sword: he that fleeth of them shall not flee away, And he that escapeth of them shall not be delivered. "
The contradiction"
God is not seen. No one can see God's face and live. No one has ever seen him.
EX 33: 19-20 "And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, And I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, And will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, And live. "
JN 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time, The only begotten Son, Which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared him. "
1JN 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, And his love is perfected in us. "
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Contradiction #4.
MT 5:17-19, LK 16:17 Jesus did not come to abolish the law.
EP 2:13-15, HE 7:18-19 Jesus did abolish the law.
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Contradiction #5
MT 5:45, 7:21 God resides in heaven.
MK 13:32 The angels reside in heaven.
AC 7:55, HE 12:2 Jesus is at the right hand of God, In heaven.
1PE 1:3-4 Believers will inherit eternal life in heaven.
The contradiction repeated 3 times over
MT 24:35, MK 13:31, LK 21:33 Heaven will pass away.
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Contradiction #6
MT 7:21 Not everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
AC 2:21, RO 10:13 Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
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Contradiction #7
The inscription on the cross reads:
Matthew 27:37 "This is Jesus the King of the Jews. "
Mark 15:26 "The King of the Jews. "
Luke 23:38 "This is the King of the Jews. "
John 19:19 "Jesus of Nazareth, The King of the Jews. "

Yeah, YOUR unproven god would use text - right? Do you really think a true god would have not foreseen all of these tragic errors in YOUR bible and ---never--- used text, Not for any reason, Not ever? If so, Then how you must use stumbling blocks to get where you are at.
I'm out of space.
Julian789

Pro

I am one big mess. My mistake for Trying to talk to you. I chose not to use any verse because that would mean that I agree with you that the Bible has contradictory verses. But who cares after all.
Certainly not you. You don t care if God exists or contradicts himself in the bible. You use religion to show your so-called superiority in thought.
It amuses me how annoying you are just that I tried to contradict you and now you return my argument by insult and verses, Most likely, Copied from the internet. And I know that whatever I say I can't make you change your mind. I'm sorry I tried to try to Talk to you, I was really expecting you to contradict me more civilized and to argue in a better way and show that I really am wrong. You did not understand my argument, It was too difficult for you to understand. So i will use some of your verses that they seem to contradict themselvse. Some of them, Not that I can't explain them to you, But there are too many and I don't think you care. I want you to DO NOT FROGET THAT The New Testament has 4 DIFFERENT AUTHORS, Each of them wrote what they remembered seeing or heard as it is in : "MT 27:62-66 A guard was placed at the tomb" or "MK 15:42- 16:8, LK 23:50-56, JN 19:38-42 (No guard is mentioned. This is important since rumor had it that Jesus' body was stolen and the Resurrection feigned. )"or"MK 16:1 Both of the above plus Salome (three)"or "MT 28:1-2 The stone was still in place when they arrived. It was rolled away later. "

"MK 16:1-3, LK 24:1"- i don t understand the contradiction.

"MT 24:9 Even some of the disciples of Jesus will be killed. " - These words came true. Most of the disciples were searched and killed.

"JN 8:51 If anyone keeps Jesus' words, He will never see death. "- Death is
represented by hell. IT is the place that it will be sent the soul that is numb to love because the body and the soul on earth lived in hatred. Love is the feeling of life and his words bring us to eternal life (another plane of existence with no suffering and hatred). For example the new testament is such a word of life because it talks about Jesus s life. His life is a example to us on how to live on this earth. We are free to live our life as we want but it is for us important to at least try.

HE 9:27 "All" men die once, Then judgement follows. To die once on earth. We are humans after all.

"MT 28:1 It was toward dawn when they arrived.
MK 16:2 It was after sunrise.
LK 24:1 It was at early dawn.
JN 20:1 It was still dark. "- The night was divided into four clocks, The day being similarly divided. Thus, If the crucifixion took place between 9 am and noon, It would be possible for Mark to place it at the same interval earlier, And John later. John did not set the time of day on the basis of the Jewish system because the evening of that day would have been part of the day of Monday, The first day of the week, Since the Jews had the day as of the evening. Again 4 different authors.

"MT 28:2 An angel arrived during an earthquake, Rolled back the stone, Then sat on it (outside the tomb).
MK 16:5 No earthquake, Only one young man sitting inside the tomb.
LK 24:2-4 No earthquake. Two men suddenly appear standing inside the tomb.
JN 20:12 No earthquake. Two angels are sitting inside the tomb. "-They wrote what they remembered. It's not like they wrote when they see and felt these things.

"1CO 15:5-8 It was Cephas (Peter? ), Then the "twelve" (which twelve, Judas was dead? ), Then 500+ brethren (although AC 1:15 says there were only about 120), Then James, Then all the Apostles, Then Paul. "- If I'm not mistaken, I think they chose a new apostolate to take the place of Judah, Matthias i think.

"Matthew 27:37 "This is Jesus the King of the Jews. "
Mark 15:26 "The King of the Jews. "
Luke 23:38 "This is the King of the Jews. "
John 19:19 "Jesus of Nazareth, The King of the Jews. " "-
They probably remembered differently because they did not write that day what happened.

"MT 7:21 Not everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
AC 2:21, RO 10:13 Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. "-
It is different because they were written in two different situations, Both are valid. This is complementary to one another and it is because everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will have the right to salvation but it depends on how each one lived on earth.

And what is in Genesis has not yet been given a very good translation because it is a much harder language. If you want to understand the Bible learn the original languages R03;R03;of the Bible and read a Bible that uses the original language. Stop using religion as a means of conflict. Everyone has the freedom to believe in what he wants and no one condemns you to believe or not to believe. Again I'm sorry if you didn't understand now
just please don't use religion anymore to insult almost everyone.
I wanted to debate not to fight on who is the most.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Con

No your one big miss-steak as I told you before was you tried to avoid the subject matter and do whatever you pleased which was entirely fine with me. Too bad that it completely backfired on your reareth endeth and you just can't handle it. That's what your problem is and you are trying to fix it, But can't. Too bad that YOUR ridiculous bible in which case nobody should be reading, Especially children, Because of its sheer terrorism levels, In which case YOUR unproven character storybook god of print only hates pretty much everything in it.

Well see, Regardless, Of what you think or don't think, Obviously you do care, Otherwise you wouldn't have bothered to puddled a pitiful debate and tried to weasel out of the ridiculousness of the fact that there are a good 1, 000 supermassive hypocritical contradictions AND inconsistencies in it thus making it unreadable on that level alone. Of course you care. Lying about it doesn't help you.
Oh I care. I care about what's just and what unjust. I care what's right from wrong. I care what's hurtful towards children and what isn't. I care what is peaceful from what is warlike. I care about what is terrorism from what is peace. The biggest thing is I care about what is suffering, Especially among children and their pain, From what isn't. YOUR pathetic weenie tot unproven storybook character god of print only since it's inception, Not for a stinking 50 years, Just 50 fricken years, Has not been able to create peace, Not anywhere, Not at any time, Not within any culture. Pathetic. And YOU so-called christians think you are so loving? B. S. And nobody in me doing this for 45 years have been able to answer this one question. . . What can children possibly learn from suffering? If you've answered "nothing" you've answered correctly. YOUR unproven character storybook god of print only by mere belief only puts children through sheer terror and suffering with no answers. So what the f--k do you care about?

See, That's exactly it, That's YOUR fault, You tried to contradict me, Rather than the subject matter at hand. So why should I even bother to look at or even read what arguments you have to offer in which case I didn't? "You did not understand my argument, " No, I didn't even look at it when you completely ruined yourself. That's your fault from your bruised ego.

Oh and btw, Using verses doesn't work. As a matter of fact it only hurts you, And I will utterly ignore them. The reason why was explained in full detail in the previous RD. But rest assured, I most certainly can use verses against you, Someone who is clearly uneducated on his religion.

You automatically begin with a falsehood at any rate "I want you to DO NOT FROGET THAT The New Testament has 4 DIFFERENT AUTHORS, " Really? According to what imbecile? You? How would you know? What grade of zit cream cottage cheese factory on your pecker classe' did you graduate from to come up with that one? Wow oh god do people invent excuses to save themselves from being hit by giant lard tomato bombs from outer space that get squished in their newly invented religion spaghetti sauce mixes. ARE YOU SERIOUS? "Each of them wrote what they remembered seeing or heard as it is in" Even more bile? OK now prove that there are only 4 different authors to the NT, That somehow within the over 33, 480 denominations of christianity that someone somehow within the copies upon copies upon copies upon translations upon translations upon translations upon dead languages upon dead languages upon dead languages that eventually have died off with no possible way to trace ANY F--KING THING BACK TO ANY ORIGINAL BECAUSE THERE IS NO ORIGINAL can anything possibly be verified to its accuracy you complete idiot? Now suppose there is an original, Even better. Who is going to interpret it so that every single person on the planet gets THE SAME EXACT message which is an impossibility simply by language and translation errors alone you complete dolt? "And and and" is going to mean something completely different in another language and in another translation. Even better. Who is going to translate versions as is required as languages change over time? Ah yes, YOUR bible is required to be updated every other 500 years or so and has been. In other words, Interpreters change your bible to update it, And wow do some of them do a p**s poor job. Now why don't you grab your eyes together in one big ball and simply compare the KJV, NIV, NLT translations in which millions, If not billions read? Ah yes, Even better? What YOUR supposed lead characters, Namely YOUR unproven character storybook gods of print only, And christ, Who hasn't been proven to exist as well, Yep, If you are ahead of the program, Their verses have changed within those 3 translations. YOU are the ONLY patron who has stuck his thumb in the cookie jar and has stated that the NT had 4 different authors in me doing this for 45+ years and talking with a good 22, 000 or more. Please do try harder.
Now grow a brain and think, Rationalize, Reason, Use common sense, Use logic, Because yah didn't here. . . Do you really think a true god with all of these text fallacies would ---ever--- for one single fleeting moment use text, Ever? So you using text to prove a point, Any point is completely useless. But yep, I can most certainly use your bible against you because of its ludicrous lapdances and its utter lack of evidence. YOUR bible is its own worst counterproductive enemy that eats itself from within and there's nothing you can do about it.
So see, You attempting to poke away at someone who CLEARLY KNOWS ONE HELLUVA LOT BETTER THAN YOU is also a complete failure on your part. After all, A contradiction is a contradiction.

Did you even watch the video? Why no. Of course not.

"Each of them wrote what they remembered seeing or heard as it is in" Really? Did they? Perhaps its all pure B. S. Ever think about that? Nah. Perhaps they remembered it wrongly and didn't write down correctly what happened. Ever think about that? Nah. Memory is the absolute worst form of testimony. Oh and btw, Those that hung around your precious unproven jesus at that time, They couldn't read or write. So that a biggie. You might want to check up on that one. The NT was not put into book form until fricken 367 A. D. You REALLY think you have an accurate book? REALLY? So you can check up on that one as well. What was around? Bits and pieces of your bible at that time and then someone once said "POOF I have a great idea! Let's make a book! " So how was the NT accurately put together? How were these bits and pieces of the supposed bible stored before they became the NT? Even better, Suppose christ you claim, It was not the messiah. The holes you dig for yourself is uncanny.

See what you are attempting to do is carry on with each clump of verses when they all combine within themselves AS STATED to show that the bible is gibberish, In which case it is, But sure, You can make sense to yourself and only yourself. Fine.

OK after this, I'm ending this because you like the typical unedumacated so-called christian (as stated there is no such thing as a christian and there isn't) what EXACTLY to the letter does it say?
"MK 16:1-3, LK 24:1"- i don t understand the contradiction. " Go back and reread it. Since you CANNOT READ, Do you REALLY think in ---any--- possible way that YOU have ---any--- possible chance and or knowhow to correctly interpret YOUR bible? I'll answer for you. "NO! "
Julian789

Pro

Thank you for your arguments. I am sorry that i may understood wrong the topic. I see you were probably traumatized by the bible when you were a kid. I promise i will never argue with you again. Btw there is a question that i like to answer: What can you learn from suffering? Suffering is a part of our life that everyone experience. It isn't God's fault that we suffer here but our action or the others actions may bring us suffering. It tell us that through suffering we can obtain the eternal life because suffering is a part of our life and we must face it and became wiser and more stronger. Strenght and wisdom that help us in life and guide us to the next life.
Debate Round No. 3
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