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Fournation of Tradie's Challenge to Willows

anonthesmallone
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11/9/2019 2:53:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Tradie wrote: You cannot accept my challenge - so I win. God exists. No one can choose to become a Christian. I did not choose to become a Christian. I did not choose to be born physically and I did not choose to be born spiritually.

Theological Christianity mumbo Jumbo that teaches;

1. Man's spirit-orb, Soul, And body all three were created by God at once at conception when they claim life started. Who said it is true, Tradie?

Logical contradiction. Eternity cannot have a beginning or an end. The premise as an irrational assumption.

2 God created your body by sex, God created your soul and spirit too. Sound logic. But when did that happen? Creation ideas cannot be discussed literally or rationally unless you make specific assumptions first. All reason works on the assumptions first. We are created to reason, And the mind will invent paradigms and assumption, Whether on not we think about. We all ASSUME the sun will come up tomorrow. But we do not know it.

What are your assumptions about spirit, Soul, And body? If Christians don't make an assumption about when the spirit, Soul, And body were created by God, Then the Christians intellectually lose, And the atheists win by default because they have made clear (but debatable) assumptions about the creation. They assume we are just a body that evolves based on microevolution demonstrated by scientific "proof". Then they reason, If microevolution is true, Which it is, Then macroevolution is also true, But we cannot see it happen over billions of years. The scientists assume it did. They have specific and documented clear (but debatable) assumptions.

Christians have 4 primary assumptions:

1. The Bible is from God and every word is true. No weeds of man.
2. Christ is not the created light of the world in Gen 1:3. He is part of the eternal trinity. Therefore, Christianity is true. The Bible says so.
3. The original Biblical text cannot be altered by man.
4. Personal revelation stopped. The Bible interprets itself.

That's the evidence.

However, They theologians make no agreeable assumptions about the creation of spirit, Soul, And body. Therefore, Christians lose the argument to atheist! Willows wins. Atheists create specific assumptive beliefs of creation based on facts and evidence. Christianity does not. If any of the 4 assumption above are false, And they can be "proven" false, Then Christianity is false.

Christianity loses the debate an is proven wrong!

1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, Soul, And body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ
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11/9/2019 5:56:21 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
anonthesmallone wrote:

Tradie wrote: You cannot accept my challenge - so I win. God exists. No one can choose to become a Christian. I did not choose to become a Christian. I did not choose to be born physically and I did not choose to be born spiritually.

Theological Christianity mumbo Jumbo that teaches;

1. Man's spirit-orb, Soul, And body all three were created by God at once at conception when they claim life started. Who said it is true, Tradie?

Nobody moron. Christianity doesn't say anything about spirit orbs. That is your delusion.

Logical contradiction. Eternity cannot have a beginning or an end. The premise as an irrational assumption.

Which is why only you assume it.

2 God created your body by sex, God created your soul and spirit too. Sound logic.

No, Its dumb delusion. Remember, You haven't proven one single thing about your loony doctrine.

But when did that happen? Creation ideas cannot be discussed literally or rationally unless you make specific assumptions first.

Christians need no assumptions. We have the bible.

All reason works on the assumptions first.

Nonsense. That is why you come up with delusion you think are facts. Reason cures assumptions.

We are created to reason, And the mind will invent paradigms and assumption, Whether on not we think about. We all ASSUME the sun will come up tomorrow. But we do not know it.

We know it because Jesus has said,

Gen 8:22 - While the earth remaineth, Seedtime and harvest, And cold and heat, And summer and winter, And day and night shall not cease.

See the difference between the solid word of God and your loony "assumptions"?

What are your assumptions about spirit, Soul, And body? If Christians don't make an assumption about when the spirit, Soul, And body were created by God, Then the Christians intellectually lose, And the atheists win by default because they have made clear (but debatable) assumptions about the creation.

Assumptions are not truth. The word of God is.

They assume we are just a body that evolves based on microevolution demonstrated by scientific "proof". Then they reason, If microevolution is true, Which it is, Then macroevolution is also true, But we cannot see it happen over billions of years. The scientists assume it did. They have specific and documented clear (but debatable) assumptions.

Christian have the clear word of God.

Christians have 4 primary assumptions:

1. The Bible is from God and every word is true. No weeds of man.
2. Christ is not the created light of the world in Gen 1:3. He is part of the eternal trinity. Therefore, Christianity is true. The Bible says so.

Untrue. The bible says Jesus IS the light if the world.

Jhn 8:12 - Then spake Jesus again unto them, Saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, But shall have the light of life.

You walk in darkness loon. You do not know the light of life.

3. The original Biblical text cannot be altered by man.
4. Personal revelation stopped. The Bible interprets itself.

That's the evidence.

That isn't the evidence, That is the truth. The evidence is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit testifying to our spirit that we are sons of God.

However, They theologians make no agreeable assumptions about the creation of spirit, Soul, And body.

You mean " agreeable" to you. There are no assumptions in truth. Assumptions cause delusions.

Therefore, Christians lose the argument to atheist! Willows wins.

Lol. Then both you and willows wake up. Christians lose because they don't indulge in your delusion? Funny.

Atheists create specific assumptive beliefs of creation based on facts and evidence. Christianity does not.

If one has facts and evidence, They do not need assumptions. Your beliefs make no sense.

If any of the 4 assumption above are false, And they can be "proven" false, Then Christianity is false.

Prove it!

Christianity loses the debate an is proven wrong!

Prove it!
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11/9/2019 6:40:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
EThang5, Perfect response. The ETs will be pleased with your rhetorical insults and weird response to discredit Christian intellectuals. Your detailed post above failed to address the major conclusion that the spirit, Soul, And body are not consistently defined.

Therefore, The Christian debaters lose to atheists because atheists follow the evidence and do not make any conclusions without evidence. They cannot observe the soul or spirit, They assume, So they will not believe they exist. That said, They actually see the spirit-orb working as the subconscious mind and the soul emotions connect to the brain, But they assume it is one body vehicle of pleasure and pain.

Why should atheists believe in a spirit, Soul, And body if Christianity refuses to define them with reason? For example, Most Biblical religions teach the soul and spirit are identical, But the Bible teaches they are separated as "heart and soul". The Lord directed Anon/Noah to use "spirit-orb" to break the invisible paradigm. Unless Anon did that, He would miscommunicate the "translation ideas" of our Father's in the third heaven.
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11/9/2019 4:53:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
anonthesmallone wrote:
EThang5, Perfect response. The ETs will be pleased with your rhetorical insults and weird response to discredit Christian intellectuals. Your detailed post above failed to address the major conclusion that the spirit, Soul, And body are not consistently defined.

Therefore, The Christian debaters lose to atheists because atheists follow the evidence and do not make any conclusions without evidence. They cannot observe the soul or spirit, They assume, So they will not believe they exist. That said, They actually see the spirit-orb working as the subconscious mind and the soul emotions connect to the brain, But they assume it is one body vehicle of pleasure and pain.

Why should atheists believe in a spirit, Soul, And body if Christianity refuses to define them with reason? For example, Most Biblical religions teach the soul and spirit are identical, But the Bible teaches they are separated as "heart and soul". The Lord directed Anon/Noah to use "spirit-orb" to break the invisible paradigm. Unless Anon did that, He would miscommunicate the "translation ideas" of our Father's in the third heaven.

Anon you are expecting too much from Ethang5. He confessed he is just a poor African slave and has been working as a delivery mule for over 15 years. His job is to smuggle bibles not read them. Read his confessions. He is a very black negroid slumdog slum dweller living in a slum city Accra Ghana a shithole country. Testing his low IQ is adding insult to injury. He is already a self loathing hater and you are giving him more reasons to hate himself.
According to Pastor Ray Hagins Christianity is a slave religion that Africans like Ethang5 follows. Abolishing African slavery was the biggest Christian betrayal of God. 80% of Africans are Christians. Slavery is still practiced in Africa. Call slavery a Christian revival in Africa. Read Ethang5's confession. He is a full time slave.
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11/9/2019 6:06:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Harikrish, Every person is on a unique path predestinated by Yahweh Elohim to glorify God in eternity. If God does not want to glorify Himself like He did on Mt. Saini, Then it His business, Not man's. Man has this dumb idea that men can glorify God, When they cannot. The main issue is man underestimates the Almighty power of God and then they overestimate the power of men.

For example, Can God send a man back in time or into the future. Yes. Do men have the power to time travel? No. Why? Because God knows how the space-time matrix works, And man does not.

Does man how the power to resurrect or translate anyone. No.

Man does not comprehend the power of God vs the power of men. Our puny mortal power given to us by God is miniscule compared to His eternal power:

John 19:11
Yahushau answered, "You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above.
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11/9/2019 7:34:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
anonthesmallone wrote:
Harikrish, Every person is on a unique path predestinated by Yahweh Elohim to glorify God in eternity. If God does not want to glorify Himself like He did on Mt. Saini, Then it His business, Not man's. Man has this dumb idea that men can glorify God, When they cannot. The main issue is man underestimates the Almighty power of God and then they overestimate the power of men.

For example, Can God send a man back in time or into the future. Yes. Do men have the power to time travel? No. Why? Because God knows how the space-time matrix works, And man does not.

Does man how the power to resurrect or translate anyone. No.

Man does not comprehend the power of God vs the power of men. Our puny mortal power given to us by God is miniscule compared to His eternal power:

John 19:11
Yahushau answered, "You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above.


You just debased yourself by reducing yourself to a powerless nobody.
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11/9/2019 8:30:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Harikrish wrote:
anonthesmallone wrote:
Harikrish, Every person is on a unique path predestinated by Yahweh Elohim to glorify God in eternity. If God does not want to glorify Himself like He did on Mt. Saini, Then it His business, Not man's. Man has this dumb idea that men can glorify God, When they cannot. The main issue is man underestimates the Almighty power of God and then they overestimate the power of men.

For example, Can God send a man back in time or into the future. Yes. Do men have the power to time travel? No. Why? Because God knows how the space-time matrix works, And man does not.

Does man how the power to resurrect or translate anyone. No.

Man does not comprehend the power of God vs the power of men. Our puny mortal power given to us by God is miniscule compared to His eternal power:

John 19:11
Yahushau answered, "You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above.


You just debased yourself by reducing yourself to a powerless nobody.

Yahushua taught to TRUTH that all power come from God. To be poor in spirit we must believe that truth. Then the power of God increases to glorify Himself by our belief in God vs our belief in men for "spiritual things". Trusting men for temporal things is very honorable. However, God gave us the "temporary" power from above to manage ourselves as a society. It is not God's primary business. Eternity is His primary business.

As the first-hand evidence of eternal power increases, Then our faith and hope increases. The scientific repeatable processes of the heart are documented in the 22 chapters of the book of Revelation, Predicted in Isaiah 29:11-18.

Is there a scientific natural law of faith in our mortal frequency? Absolutely! :

Romans 3:27
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, But by the law of faith.

The Luciferians are the best ones that can comprehend Paul because they have practiced the "law of faith" in black grace power for thousands of years. Paul could intellectually see by his experience in the occult to contrast black grace power with white grace power by using the "law of faith" he grew up learning in the occult. The fact he was blinded by God proved which grace of God was stronger. He repented to trust in the stronger power of God.

All power comes from God.
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11/9/2019 8:48:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
anonthesmallone wrote:
Harikrish wrote:
anonthesmallone wrote:
Harikrish, Every person is on a unique path predestinated by Yahweh Elohim to glorify God in eternity. If God does not want to glorify Himself like He did on Mt. Saini, Then it His business, Not man's. Man has this dumb idea that men can glorify God, When they cannot. The main issue is man underestimates the Almighty power of God and then they overestimate the power of men.

For example, Can God send a man back in time or into the future. Yes. Do men have the power to time travel? No. Why? Because God knows how the space-time matrix works, And man does not.

Does man how the power to resurrect or translate anyone. No.

Man does not comprehend the power of God vs the power of men. Our puny mortal power given to us by God is miniscule compared to His eternal power:

John 19:11
Yahushau answered, "You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above.


You just debased yourself by reducing yourself to a powerless nobody.

Yahushua taught to TRUTH that all power come from God. To be poor in spirit we must believe that truth. Then the power of God increases to glorify Himself by our belief in God vs our belief in men for "spiritual things". Trusting men for temporal things is very honorable. However, God gave us the "temporary" power from above to manage ourselves as a society. It is not God's primary business. Eternity is His primary business.

As the first-hand evidence of eternal power increases, Then our faith and hope increases. The scientific repeatable processes of the heart are documented in the 22 chapters of the book of Revelation, Predicted in Isaiah 29:11-18.

Is there a scientific natural law of faith in our mortal frequency? Absolutely! :

Romans 3:27
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, But by the law of faith.

The Luciferians are the best ones that can comprehend Paul because they have practiced the "law of faith" in black grace power for thousands of years. Paul could intellectually see by his experience in the occult to contrast black grace power with white grace power by using the "law of faith" he grew up learning in the occult. The fact he was blinded by God proved which grace of God was stronger. He repented to trust in the stronger power of God.

All power comes from God.

Jesus said his power came from God too!
1. He had to slip away and hide to avoud getting stoned by the angry Jews.
2. He struggled to stay coherent and could speak only in parables that no one understood.
3. He needed help to carry his cross on the way to his crucifixion.
4. He said he had thousands of angels under his command. But not a single Angel showed up on tbe day of his crucifixion to save him.
5. He was asked by his disciple when those things he spoke about would happen. He said he didn't know on God knows.
6. On the cross had blamed God for forsaking him.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, Lema sabachthani? " which means, "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken Me? "
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11/10/2019 12:22:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Harikrish wrote:: Jesus said his power came from God too!
1. He had to slip away and hide to avoid getting stoned by the angry Jews.

Yahushua was a man who could be killed by natural law. On several occasions He would have been killed, But God's supernatural power protected Him. His body vehicle of pleasure and pain died when He willed it to die. He was not like superman. He was the reincarnated Adam. Religious moonlight does not teach the whole truth but half-truths of darkness masquerading as pure sunlight.

2. He struggled to stay coherent and could speak only in parables that no one understood.

Yahweh speaks in parables to hide the truth from the future Gods and Goddesses to teach his goats how perception deception in "His Way" works to eventually glorify His name in eternity to prove Yahweh Elohim is the Infinite Creator who in One. We will eventually discover our true identity. The goats of Israel will comprehend His "parable way" best. They hide the truth from the public to control them. God is identical.

3. He needed help to carry his cross on the way to his crucifixion.

As human Israel, We need others to help us carry our spiritual crosses on the narrow and difficult way of translation. The broad way of death and resurrection is easy in comparison.

4. He said he had thousands of angels under his command. But not a single Angel showed up on tbe day of his crucifixion to save him.

That is the message. His heart was invincibly strong and could not be budged off doing the will of God. He could have chosen his own "created reality path". But He did not. He had the power to save His body vehicle, But He did not use His power by freewill belief.

5. He was asked by his disciple when those things he spoke about would happen. He said he didn't know only God knows.

He was the reincarnated Adam just like everyone else so of course He didn't know everything as a mortal. The eternal trinity doctrine that "God is Jesus" is very damaging to the minds of humans. Babyish ideas of man.

6. On the cross had blamed God for forsaking him.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, Lema sabachthani? " which means, "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken Me? "

He "cried out in a loud voice" the 1st sentence of Psalms 22 for Israel to read that chapter in Israel's darkest trials of spiritual crosses when they are nailed to and cannot change the painful circumstances no matter how hard they try. On occasion, God's will is immovable as a granite mountain. Wait for God. Trust in God.
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11/10/2019 12:40:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
anonthesmallone wrote:
Harikrish wrote:: Jesus said his power came from God too!
1. He had to slip away and hide to avoid getting stoned by the angry Jews.

Yahushua was a man who could be killed by natural law. On several occasions He would have been killed, But God's supernatural power protected Him. His body vehicle of pleasure and pain died when He willed it to die. He was not like superman. He was the reincarnated Adam. Religious moonlight does not teach the whole truth but half-truths of darkness masquerading as pure sunlight.


The scriptures say he was forced to hide. He had no special protection.

2. He struggled to stay coherent and could speak only in parables that no one understood.

Yahweh speaks in parables to hide the truth from the future Gods and Goddesses to teach his goats how perception deception in "His Way" works to eventually glorify His name in eternity to prove Yahweh Elohim is the Infinite Creator who in One. We will eventually discover our true identity. The goats of Israel will comprehend His "parable way" best. They hide the truth from the public to control them. God is identical.

He was asked to speak plainly yet he replied with another parable. He was mostly incoherent.

3. He needed help to carry his cross on the way to his crucifixion.

As human Israel, We need others to help us carry our spiritual crosses on the narrow and difficult way of translation. The broad way of death and resurrection is easy in comparison.

He was so weakened he needed help. Not very Godly!

4. He said he had thousands of angels under his command. But not a single Angel showed up on tbe day of his crucifixion to save him.

That is the message. His heart was invincibly strong and could not be budged off doing the will of God. He could have chosen his own "created reality path". But He did not. He had the power to save His body vehicle, But He did not use His power by freewill belief.

There is nothing dumber than believing there is help. Available and not asking for it.

5. He was asked by his disciple when those things he spoke about would happen. He said he didn't know only God knows.

He was the reincarnated Adam just like everyone else so of course He didn't know everything as a mortal. The eternal trinity doctrine that "God is Jesus" is very damaging to the minds of humans. Babyish ideas of man.

So he was clueless. I rest my case.

6. On the cross had blamed God for forsaking him.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, Lema sabachthani? " which means, "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken Me? "

He "cried out in a loud voice" the 1st sentence of Psalms 22 for Israel to read that chapter in Israel's darkest trials of spiritual crosses when they are nailed to and cannot change the painful circumstances no matter how hard they try. On occasion, God's will is immovable as a granite mountain. Wait for God. Trust in God.

He did not recite the entire Psalm 22. He was selective in what he said. He only quoted the first line which applied to his situation.

Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, Lema sabachthani? " which means, "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken Me? "

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