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Harikrish
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7/1/2018 6:19:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/1/2018 4:45:10 PM, ethang5 wrote:
Someone was asking the question was Jesus a liar. My research showed we could take it a little closer to the truth that he was a lunatic too.

And every demon you worship as god from your Hindu pantheon agrees with you.

Africans.....

What do Africans have to do with your demon worship? It is the demons you worship that make you hate Jesus. Everyone knows Hindu demons hate Jesus.

Jesus was a madman and demon possessed according to his family and the people who heard him speak.

You're just jealous that Jesus is revered and worshipped and you are a nobody. And of course the demons you worship shape your view.

John 10:20 Many of them said,....

So this verse is correct but the next verse calling Jesus sinless is wrong? What kind of idiot quotes verses as evidence when he has said the verses are wrong?

Christians played a major role in African slavery by bringing African slaves to the Americas.

Sorry. I can't be a part of your spam. You can post off topic stupidity if you want, I'll stay on topic.

It is the demons you worship that make you attack Jesus. Hinduism has made you sell your soul to filthy demons.

When you tire of posting spam, and can't run away from your shithole country anymore, it will still be there. You will still be ashamed yo have been born Indian.

Even running to Canada, or to Africa won't change India. It remains a shithole. Your own Prime Minister says so.

You and the demons you worship can attack Jesus, but we know its Hinduism making you vitriolic.

You, your religion, and your country remain shitholes.

was a madman and demon possessed according to his family and the people who heard him speak.

Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."

John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him? ...

Jesus was crucified as a criminal along with criminals. He was tried, convicted and put to death. Christianity is the only religion that believes a Jew died for their sins, that dead Jews can forgive sins. Even the Jews don't believe dead Jews can forgive sins and rejected Jesus. Hitler improved on tbe idea and put 6 million Jews to death thereby guaranteeing forgiveness of Germans for many generations.

Africans are less fortunate and have to have their sins beaten out of them.
Africans being treated for AIDS and extreme stupidity videos.
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Harikrish
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7/1/2018 6:20:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/1/2018 6:19:24 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 7/1/2018 4:45:10 PM, ethang5 wrote:
Someone was asking the question was Jesus a liar. My research showed we could take it a little closer to the truth that he was a lunatic too.

And every demon you worship as god from your Hindu pantheon agrees with you.

Africans.....

What do Africans have to do with your demon worship? It is the demons you worship that make you hate Jesus. Everyone knows Hindu demons hate Jesus.

Jesus was a madman and demon possessed according to his family and the people who heard him speak.

You're just jealous that Jesus is revered and worshipped and you are a nobody. And of course the demons you worship shape your view.

John 10:20 Many of them said,....

So this verse is correct but the next verse calling Jesus sinless is wrong? What kind of idiot quotes verses as evidence when he has said the verses are wrong?

Christians played a major role in African slavery by bringing African slaves to the Americas.

Sorry. I can't be a part of your spam. You can post off topic stupidity if you want, I'll stay on topic.

It is the demons you worship that make you attack Jesus. Hinduism has made you sell your soul to filthy demons.

When you tire of posting spam, and can't run away from your shithole country anymore, it will still be there. You will still be ashamed yo have been born Indian.

Even running to Canada, or to Africa won't change India. It remains a shithole. Your own Prime Minister says so.

You and the demons you worship can attack Jesus, but we know its Hinduism making you vitriolic.

You, your religion, and your country remain shitholes.

Jesus was a madman and demon possessed according to his family and the people who heard him speak.

Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."

John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him? ...


Jesus was crucified as a criminal along with criminals. He was tried, convicted and put to death. Christianity is the only religion that believes a Jew died for their sins, that dead Jews can forgive sins. Even the Jews don't believe dead Jews can forgive sins and rejected Jesus. Hitler improved on tbe idea and put 6 million Jews to death thereby guaranteeing forgiveness of Germans for many generations.

Africans are less fortunate and have to have their sins beaten out of them.
Africans being treated for AIDS and extreme stupidity videos.
https://youtu.be...
https://youtu.be...
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7/1/2018 8:38:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
All you have to do to answer that question is to look in the old testament, since its prophetic. Without the new testament, i have to ask jews that still wait for the messiah what they think actually happened. Well, we know what happened, just take these prophesies of his crucifixion:

- Daniel 9
- Isaiah 53
- Psalm 22
- Zechariah 12:10

...and so forth. The jews failed in keeping Gods commandments, no surprice since there were many commandments and Adam and Eve even failed to keep ONE. God even told the jews they wouldnt be able to serve him, but they insisted, yet rejected him as king (1 Samuel 8). While a core of jews still was in the faith as the people that hid the dead sea scrolls, most jews walked AWAY from Yahweh. So when Jesus, the messiah, came to fullfill his role as high priest, they rejected him because they didnt recognize their own God, so John 1 was fullfilled, and he went out to the gentiles like Isaiah 49 describe, so when salvation went into the gentile world so did the jews like we see in Micah 5, the exile to Babylon was just a forerunner of the allmost 2000 years the jews was exiled from Israel. The end of the old covenant was marked with the destruction of the second jewish temple in 70 A.D, 40 years after the crucifixion of Jesus, like he prophesied, and that was when the jews lost their land. And as the jews move back after allmost 2000 years, its a sign Messiah soon will return, thats one of many fullfilled prophesies pointing christians to believe we're aproaching the endtimes now, end of the church age.

The old testament fortells basically every key event that happens in the new testament. Thats why we believe Jesus was the word (the old testament) and he and his life and death was spoken out centuries before he came, and that he indeed is the Messiah. There is no other candidate, and it went down exactly like scripture said. He also exibits a divine, godly nature in the new testament, showing he was not a regular man like the socalled prophet muhammed or other religious figures in deed and word.
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7/1/2018 8:50:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/1/2018 8:38:10 PM, saint77 wrote:
All you have to do to answer that question is to look in the old testament, since its prophetic. Without the new testament, i have to ask jews that still wait for the messiah what they think actually happened. Well, we know what happened, just take these prophesies of his crucifixion:

- Daniel 9
- Isaiah 53
- Psalm 22
- Zechariah 12:10

...and so forth. The jews failed in keeping Gods commandments, no surprice since there were many commandments and Adam and Eve even failed to keep ONE. God even told the jews they wouldnt be able to serve him, but they insisted, yet rejected him as king (1 Samuel 8). While a core of jews still was in the faith as the people that hid the dead sea scrolls, most jews walked AWAY from Yahweh. So when Jesus, the messiah, came to fullfill his role as high priest, they rejected him because they didnt recognize their own God, so John 1 was fullfilled, and he went out to the gentiles like Isaiah 49 describe, so when salvation went into the gentile world so did the jews like we see in Micah 5, the exile to Babylon was just a forerunner of the allmost 2000 years the jews was exiled from Israel. The end of the old covenant was marked with the destruction of the second jewish temple in 70 A.D, 40 years after the crucifixion of Jesus, like he prophesied, and that was when the jews lost their land. And as the jews move back after allmost 2000 years, its a sign Messiah soon will return, thats one of many fullfilled prophesies pointing christians to believe we're aproaching the endtimes now, end of the church age.

The old testament fortells basically every key event that happens in the new testament. Thats why we believe Jesus was the word (the old testament) and he and his life and death was spoken out centuries before he came, and that he indeed is the Messiah. There is no other candidate, and it went down exactly like scripture said. He also exibits a divine, godly nature in the new testament, showing he was not a regular man like the socalled prophet muhammed or other religious figures in deed and word.

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Harikrish
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7/2/2018 6:42:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/1/2018 8:38:10 PM, saint77 wrote:
All you have to do to answer that question is to look in the old testament, since its prophetic. Without the new testament, i have to ask jews that still wait for the messiah what they think actually happened. Well, we know what happened, just take these prophesies of his crucifixion:

- Daniel 9
- Isaiah 53
- Psalm 22
- Zechariah 12:10

...and so forth. The jews failed in keeping Gods commandments, no surprice since there were many commandments and Adam and Eve even failed to keep ONE. God even told the jews they wouldnt be able to serve him, but they insisted, yet rejected him as king (1 Samuel 8). While a core of jews still was in the faith as the people that hid the dead sea scrolls, most jews walked AWAY from Yahweh. So when Jesus, the messiah, came to fullfill his role as high priest, they rejected him because they didnt recognize their own God, so John 1 was fullfilled, and he went out to the gentiles like Isaiah 49 describe, so when salvation went into the gentile world so did the jews like we see in Micah 5, the exile to Babylon was just a forerunner of the allmost 2000 years the jews was exiled from Israel. The end of the old covenant was marked with the destruction of the second jewish temple in 70 A.D, 40 years after the crucifixion of Jesus, like he prophesied, and that was when the jews lost their land. And as the jews move back after allmost 2000 years, its a sign Messiah soon will return, thats one of many fullfilled prophesies pointing christians to believe we're aproaching the endtimes now, end of the church age.

The old testament fortells basically every key event that happens in the new testament. Thats why we believe Jesus was the word (the old testament) and he and his life and death was spoken out centuries before he came, and that he indeed is the Messiah. There is no other candidate, and it went down exactly like scripture said. He also exibits a divine, godly nature in the new testament, showing he was not a regular man like the socalled prophet muhammed or other religious figures in deed and word.

Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:

Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
But first, some background: What exactly is the Messiah?

The word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word Mashiach, which means "anointed." It usually refers to a person initiated into God's service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, 1-Kings 1:39, 2-Kings 9:3)

(1) Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)

Specifically, the Bible says he will:

Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world " on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah.

Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.

(2) Jesus Did Not Embody the Personal Qualifications of Messiah
A. Messiah as Prophet
The Messiah will become the greatest prophet in history, second only to Moses. (Targum " Isaiah 11:2; Maimonides " Teshuva 9:2)

Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry, a situation which has not existed since 300 BCE. During the time of Ezra, when the majority of Jews remained in Babylon, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets " Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.

Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended, and thus could not be a prophet.

B. Descendant of David
Many prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father " and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. (1)

According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (2) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

C. Torah Observance
The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

Throughout the Christian "New Testament," Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"

(3) Mistranslated Verses "Referring" to Jesus
Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text " which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.

A. Virgin Birth
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

B. Suffering Servant
Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."

In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. Throughout Jewish scripture, Israel is repeatedly called, in the singular, the "Servant of God" (see Isaiah 43:8). In fact, Isaiah states no less than 11 times in the chapters prior to 53 that the Servant of God is Israel.

When read correctly, Isaiah 53 clearly [and ironically] refers to the Jewish people being "bruised, crushed and as sheep brought to slaughter" at the hands of the nations of the world. These descriptions are used throughout Jewish scripture to graphically describe the suffering of the Jewish people (see Psalm 44).

Isaiah 53 concludes that when the Jewish people are redeemed, the nations will recognize and accept responsibility for the inordinate suffering and death of the Jews.

Continued....
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7/2/2018 6:57:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Continued from previous post.....

Jewish Belief is Based Solely on National Revelation
Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God's true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, they do not prove he is a genuine prophet. All the miracles show " assuming they are genuine " is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy.

Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).

Of the thousands of religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation " i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.

Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):

The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.
What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us " who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)

Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.
http://www.aish.com...

Even in the New Testament serious doubts were raised about Jesus being the promised ONE.

John the Baptist raised doubts about Jesus.
Matthew 11:3 - "Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?"

Jesus was a madman and demon possessed according to his family and the people who heard him speak.

Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."

John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him? ...

Jesus himself had doubts on the cross.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"

The Pope use the word failure to describe Jesus's life and the great failure of God.

Pope Francis said during his whirlwind U.S. tour. "And if at times OUR EFFORTS AND WORKS SEEM TO FAIL AND PRODUCE NO FRUIT, we need to REMEMBER that WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS we are followers of Jesus ... and His LIFE, humanly speaking, ENDED IN FAILURE, THE FAILURE OF THE CROSS ."

When you don"t understand something, when desperation hits you then look at the cross. THAT IS THE GREAT FAILURE OF GOD, THAT IS THE DESTRUCTION OF GOD, AND IT'S A CHALLENGE TO OUR FAITH.
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7/2/2018 7:44:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The age of perfection: The Millenia kingdom (age of aquarius as the new agers call it, though they reject Jesus so there wont be any living water for them).

What the jews seem to have missed is the fact THEY BROKE GODS COVENANT. It was conditional: IF YOU KEEP MY LAWS, THEN..... But the jews didnt, and REJECTED the Messiah like Daniel 9, Isaiah 53 AND SO FORTH describe, they already rejected God as king in 1 Samuel 8, the start of Sauls reign, in a series of failed kings, though with King David as a goldstandard which the messiah would descend from, which is exactly what Jesus did.

Jews seem to have missed the fact he would go out to the nations (Isaiah 49), be a blessing to ALL nations (Genesis 22:18), that he has brought a new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34) and peace with God, rather than the yoke of the old covenant. Jesus body was Gods temple (probably the third, allthough we anticipate a third temple also built in Jerusalem at some point at the end) and our body host of the Holy spirit, which is of God. Jesus showed the way.

When the second temple was destroyed in year 70 - 40 years after Jesus crucifixion, Israels time was over - those still in the old covenant, that was the end of it. As you see in Daniel 9, it was because of sin and the annoited one - obiously not the jews - would die, thats why you have all these desperate writings around the time of the exile to Babylon, FORSHADOWING what would happen to the jews after they killed their own Messiah.

You claim Jesus wasnt a prophet? I guess you must have missed something. You claim his father must be from David, we see 2 genealogies in the bible, 1 in Matthew most likely of Joseph, and one in Luke, most likely of Mary, both trace it to King David. Trough law, Joseph was his father, but heritance can also go trough the mother, you are only cosidered a full blooded jew if your MOTHER is jewish. None of your links say he has to have a biological father descendant of King David, thats a falsification of what it says. More here on the King David-controversy:

Jesus is described as a perfectly normal human being, nothing special about his body or appearance, nothing that would make him stand out in the crowd (the prophetic isaiah 53-passage, the only text i know hinting to his appearance, more on this later). But when you look for the messiah you're supposed to look in Gods word which is the Tanak, not "jewish sources", which can be anything from Jerusalem post to an essay from Tovia Singer or your sisters diary.

The jews do not follow the Tora. Where are the temple and the sacrifices for sins? You follow a re-interpited Tora by rabbis that got such an applause from God for their outstanding work he just aswell gave them the right to abolish the temple sacrifices and interpit scripture as they wish (like the talmud) rather than what Gods word (the Tanak) says. This is more or less what Jesus critized the jewish leadership at his time for, they went FROM God to follow their own manmade laws and customs.

A new covenant however was prophesied long before Jesus came. Jeremiah 31:31-34. Where are all the blessings and light to the gentiles (Genesis 22:18, Isaiah 49 etc)? Why are jews so introvert? He's supposed to be well known among the nations. Why has there been silence for 2000 years? Or maybe it hasnt. Because i know ONE famous jew with a huge world wide crowd that has been very active all these years jews have been in exile, that is Jesus Christ, and he came right before the destruction of the second jewish temple.

Your claims are ALL refuted in the NEW testament, and if i have forgotten to refute any of your points, you can see ALL your jewish claims refuted right here:

https://www.youtube.com...

And then the last one: Isaiah 53

https://www.biblegateway.com...

Who had peace by who's punishment? Me? Have the jewish people collectively given themselves up as an offering for sin and been punished so i can have peace with who? We gentiles dont even have the law, the law was there to point to sin and drive you jews towards the messiah (see the garden of Eden and fall of man).

And is Israel - the jewish people - rightous? If you read Daniel 9 again, it seems to me the jews were anything but rightous, they were sinners like the rest of mankind, thereby failing to be justified by the law and doing rightous deeds.

So none of your claims are valid, but if you're jewish, you might find that out in your lifetime because bible prophesy, atleast for us christians that let the word interpit the word rather than drag in the talmud and all sorts of things, are speeding ahead like crazy these days.

And if you have a tiny inch of pride in your jewish heritage, i guess you already have a new testament, so you know what the fuzz out in the gentile world is all about and why i dismiss all your claims so easy?
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7/2/2018 7:46:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Reg followup: You simply lack understanding of the new testament - the only one that can figure this out is yourself if you read the whole thing, and you need to read it atleast a couple of times to grasp most of it. Also, a friendly advice from me: IGNORE THE POPE. Pretend he doesnt exist. Im not catholic,
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7/2/2018 8:25:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
One more reg. Jesus virgin birth and the lie circulating around jews that Jesus was born of an illicit intercourse with a roman soldier to get that out of the way once and for all:

..and alma / almah in biblical time used to mean.... virgin:
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7/2/2018 10:20:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/2/2018 7:44:03 PM, saint77 wrote:
The age of perfection: The Millenia kingdom (age of aquarius as the new agers call it, though they reject Jesus so there wont be any living water for them).

What the jews seem to have missed is the fact THEY BROKE GODS COVENANT. It was conditional: IF YOU KEEP MY LAWS, THEN..... But the jews didnt, and REJECTED the Messiah like Daniel 9, Isaiah 53 AND SO FORTH describe, they already rejected God as king in 1 Samuel 8, the start of Sauls reign, in a series of failed kings, though with King David as a goldstandard which the messiah would descend from, which is exactly what Jesus did.

The Jews accepted the Messiah. But when they saw Jesus allow himself to be mocked, beaten and ridicule by the Romans they had enough. This couldn't be the messiah they were promised.
John 12:13 They took palm branches and went out to meet Him, shouting: "Hosanna!" "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!" "Blessed is the King of Israel!"

Even John the Baptist expressed his doubts to Jesus.
Matthew 11:3 to ask Him, "Are You the One who was to come, or should we look for someone else? ...

Jesus's family and the people who knew Jesus said Jesus was a madman and demon possessed.
Jesus was a madman and demon possessed according to his family and the people who heard him speak.

Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."

John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him? ...

Jews seem to have missed the fact he would go out to the nations (Isaiah 49), be a blessing to ALL nations (Genesis 22:18), that he has brought a new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34) and peace with God, rather than the yoke of the old covenant. Jesus body was Gods temple (probably the third, allthough we anticipate a third temple also built in Jerusalem at some point at the end) and our body host of the Holy spirit, which is of God. Jesus showed the way.

Isaiah promised Ahaz God would send him a sign.
Isaiah 7:13 Then Isaiah* said: "Hear then, O house of David! Is it too little for you to weary mortals, that you weary my God also? 14Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Look, the young woman* is with child and shall bear a son, and shall name him Immanuel.*

But Ahaz never found the virgin mother or her child named Immanuel. Isaiah's prophecy failed.

When the second temple was destroyed in year 70 - 40 years after Jesus crucifixion, Israels time was over - those still in the old covenant, that was the end of it. As you see in Daniel 9, it was because of sin and the annoited one - obiously not the jews - would die, thats why you have all these desperate writings around the time of the exile to Babylon, FORSHADOWING what would happen to the jews after they killed their own Messiah.

Daniel 9 prophesied the Romans would cut off the messiah and destroy the city and sanctuary and slaughter the Jews the very people Jesus was sent to save. Jesus never admonished or tried to stop the Romans that Daniel warned about.

Daniel 9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. 27 "

You claim Jesus wasnt a prophet? I guess you must have missed something. You claim his father must be from David, we see 2 genealogies in the bible, 1 in Matthew most likely of Joseph, and one in Luke, most likely of Mary, both trace it to King David. Trough law, Joseph was his father, but heritance can also go trough the mother, you are only cosidered a full blooded jew if your MOTHER is jewish. None of your links say he has to have a biological father descendant of King David, thats a falsification of what it says. More here on the King David-controversy:

Jesus was incoherent and. clueless most of his life. When he was asked when would these things happen. He shrugged and said only God knows.
Matthew 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

Matthew 24:36 But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father



Jesus is described as a perfectly normal human being, nothing special about his body or appearance, nothing that would make him stand out in the crowd (the prophetic isaiah 53-passage, the only text i know hinting to his appearance, more on this later). But when you look for the messiah you're supposed to look in Gods word which is the Tanak, not "jewish sources", which can be anything from Jerusalem post to an essay from Tovia Singer or your sisters diary.

Jesus was a madman and demon possessed according to his family and the people who heard him speak.

Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."

John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?

The jews do not follow the Tora. Where are the temple and the sacrifices for sins? You follow a re-interpited Tora by rabbis that got such an applause from God for their outstanding work he just aswell gave them the right to abolish the temple sacrifices and interpit scripture as they wish (like the talmud) rather than what Gods word (the Tanak) says. This is more or less what Jesus critized the jewish leadership at his time for, they went FROM God to follow their own manmade laws and customs.

A new covenant however was prophesied long before Jesus came. Jeremiah 31:31-34. Where are all the blessings and light to the gentiles (Genesis 22:18, Isaiah 49 etc)? Why are jews so introvert? He's supposed to be well known among the nations. Why has there been silence for 2000 years? Or maybe it hasnt. Because i know ONE famous jew with a huge world wide crowd that has been very active all these years jews have been in exile, that is Jesus Christ, and he came right before the destruction of the second jewish temple.

Your claims are ALL refuted in the NEW testament, and if i have forgotten to refute any of your points, you can see ALL your jewish claims refuted right here:

https://www.youtube.com...

And then the last one: Isaiah 53

https://www.biblegateway.com...

And is Israel - the jewish people - rightous? If you read Daniel 9 again, it seems to me the jews were anything but rightous, they were sinners like the rest of mankind, thereby failing to be justified by the law and doing rightous deeds.

Jesus was anointed so the Jews fulfilled Daniel which was a condition before the anointment of the most holy. But Jesus failed the Jews because he was overpowered by the Romans.

Daniel 9: 24 says this purpose is 1) "to finish transgression," 2) "to put an end to sin," 3) "to atone for wickedness," 4) "to bring in everlasting righteousness," 5) "to seal up vision and prophecy," and 6) "to anoint the most holy."

So none of your claims are valid, but if you're jewish, you might find that out in your lifetime because bible prophesy, atleast for us christians that let the word interpit the word rather than drag in the talmud and all sorts of things, are speeding ahead like crazy these days.

Major failure by Jesus.
Jesus was crucified by the Romans. The Romans went on to built the Church of Rome after destroying God's temple and made the Pope its leader and offered the Gentiles salvation at the expense of the Jews.

God owes the Jews an apology.
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7/2/2018 11:14:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Thats simply because the jews dont understand what theyre God is revealing. You dont understand your own Tanak unless you get the significanse of the fall of Adam and Eve. It all evolves around that, Adam could not keep ONE law, how where the jews supposed to keep 613? They would fail, it was a given, and a redeemer that would give them a new covenant with God would come. Which is exactly what came with the Holy spirit and Jesus resurrection from the dead, that is the "new us" that will be eternal, the body we dwell in now will vanish.

John 12:13 is prophesied in Zechariah 9:9.

Ofcourse everyone was surpriced, but Zechariah 12:10, Isaiah 53, Psalm 22 which Jesus quoted on the cross, Daniel 9 and so forth ALL foretold this would happen to the Messiah. Do you believe in the scriptures? Yes or no?

Immanuel did come, his name was Yeshua, Jesus in greek. Immanuel simply means "God with us", God dwells in all born again believers that have the Holy spirit. So is Isaiah 7:14 about something entirely else? Isaiah in this prophesy adress the HOUSE OF DAVID, which include descendants far into the future, not Ahaz. Watch this:

The Daniel 9 prophesy was indeed fullfilled by Jesus. He defeated death. Romans symbolize satan, and the temple our body. He conquered death on the cross for no other reason than love, and our sin was judged if we go to him. HE purchase us free from the law and by that act became our high priest, as you see for example in Jeremiah 31:31-34 AND Isaiah 53. But you cant love a God that has never revealed who he is, and we see him trough Jesus.

We're given grace not because we're so good at following laws like the jews of the old covenant thought that lead to pride, religiousness and manmade rituals/condemnation of others, but out of love, because love was the only thing that could restore the relashionship between fallen man and God. God restored what we couldnt do ourselves by our own effort. God in the old testament says he has a soft heart and ask why we are afraid of him and hide, does the proud pharasees and the law written in stone project this softness? No, but Jesus do. This is basic christianity.

As for the rest of your claims about Jesus being a failoure etc, i as a christian can testify he was not. You dont get the symbolism of the temple sacrifice, story of Isaac, story of Job, story of Jonah etc. Its all stories forshadowing the what we read in the new testament about the Messiah Yeshua/Jesus. The old testament is the new testament concealed, the new testament is the old testament revealed.
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7/2/2018 11:32:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/31/2016 12:40:33 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
Harikrish doesn't accept the OT prophesies concerning the Messiah and therefore does not accept Jesus as the fulfillment of the them. The only way Hari can reject Jesus as the fulfillment of Jewish OT prophesy is by distorting and twisting content, by literally lying and being deceptive, I believe he knows what he is doing, but why? why would Hari intentionally lie and be deceptive? think about that, we all know that this poster is manipulative, perverted, insensitive and untrustworthy, and so is the content of his doings here.

Hari knows full well little Kathleen would apply the same standards to Hinduism and it's nutty revelations of God and it's Gurus.
The only way Hari can gain any traction is by accusing Jesus of being a liar, and by asserting mental illness, in other words baseless assertions and flat out falsary. He can not do that through scripture and by the testimony and works of Jesus, no, rather he needs to go behind the scenes and work through deception rather than through truth.

Jesus, IS the world's greatest spiritual leader through word and action, His standard rises above the mediocre, generic watered down spiritualists in the world and has become an icon of spirituality.

Jesus wasn't a "liar", He spoke the truth despite circumstances and threats to his life, he did not back down and he never turned back, he was faithful to his own words to the end. Jesus' very own testimony and words are truth and life, there is no lie in them, there are no lies or distortions in the principles He taught, they are truth.

BTW, as Harold runs around the forum like a child attacking Christianity/Jesus while evading his own religious beliefs he mocks concepts in Christian teachings such as the "trinity", Hinduism has a trinity concept, he mocks Jesus as God in the flesh yet Hinduism has avatars "diety on earth", he mocks the unity Jesus had with God by labeling Him delusional yet both Hinduism and Buddhism relate the same concepts. He claims of course only the prophets of the Bible to have mental illness while not Hindu guru's lol. Of course only the spirituality in the Bible is a mental illness....not his own beliefs, no way right? anyone say double standard??

Harold misrepresents the teachings of Jesus by twisting the intentions and applications of them such as "cannibalism", which is the way Jesus illustrates application (by saying eat my flesh, I am the bread of life, drink my blood), the consumption of spiritual principles to ones thoughts and actions and life, it's just a poetic way of suggesting following....doing, putting beliefs in action. Jesus didn't teach cannibalism, that is just dumb, Jesus taught application but illustrated it with examples or parables.
But Hari must twist that principle to make it seem like Jesus was nuts and taught us to eat flesh rather than revealing a legitimate truth, a spiritual principle. Why?
Why does he need to accuse Jesus of being gay? that he was a liar? that he was delusional? that he taught cannibiilsm and taught us to hate our families? why would Hari do all of this when he could simply represent his own beliefs?
So why does this member have to go to such desperate measures all the time to discredit Jesus? because in reality he really has nothing, and the reputation of Jesus precedes Him and there is nothing that Hari can lie about to change that.

Jesus was compassionate, he reached out to outcasts and the sick with no motive other than love, that is not the actions of a liar.

Jesus was courageous, he spoke against the darkness and evil in the religious system (institutions) and never backed down. He maintained His testimony, word and mission without wavering and never gave in to the ridiculousness of religious oppression rather triumphed over it by giving His life, changing the face of religion and customs and leaving the greatest legacy known.

Jesus was practical, He made spirituality accessible. He single-handedly made the relation between God and man applicable, reachable, tangible and observable. He taught with precision and clarity that even as a young kid I could digest and apply it. Only a crooked adult could mess up such simplicity and honesty!

Jesus was loyal, committed and steadfast. He stood by His Father, honored God, carried out His word and truth and never swayed from that. Jesus was the real deal, He is what we all try to be and can never quite fulfill, He is the Messiah, the perfect lamb.

Jesus was gentle but passionate, showed empathy and sympathy. He didn't try and fight with force, He didn't resist the sacrifice, he never ran from it, he never said what they wanted to hear only what was true and only what was righteous.

Jesus was DOER, not a talker. That means He had integrity, again not the characteristics of a liar or someone mentally ill. Jesus actually walked the walk, where can Hari show us where Jesus actually intentionally told lies? was a liar?

Jesus resurfaced the face of religion in about three years, that's all it took Him, imagine what He could have done in a lifetime....
Jesus was a hero, someone willing to turn around all wrongs and make them right through action, no wonder He said "I make all things new", He did!

Jesus was a truth teller, a truthful person and possessed truthful characteristics. He was a spiritual Master and has all the qualities, attributes and qualities that make a truthful, sane man, unique but not a liar and a lunatic, but you on the other hand..... well, you know how reaping and sowing works (karma). What you claim and say here will come back on you, not Jesus. You will be known as a liar and a lunatic on DDO, and that is pretty accurate.

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Wow.
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7/3/2018 3:57:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/2/2018 11:14:40 PM, saint77 wrote:
Thats simply because the jews dont understand what theyre God is revealing. You dont understand your own Tanak unless you get the significanse of the fall of Adam and Eve. It all evolves around that, Adam could not keep ONE law, how where the jews supposed to keep 613? They would fail, it was a given, and a redeemer that would give them a new covenant with God would come. Which is exactly what came with the Holy spirit and Jesus resurrection from the dead, that is the "new us" that will be eternal, the body we dwell in now will vanish.

John 12:13 is prophesied in Zechariah 9:9.

Ofcourse everyone was surpriced, but Zechariah 12:10, Isaiah 53, Psalm 22 which Jesus quoted on the cross, Daniel 9 and so forth ALL foretold this would happen to the Messiah. Do you believe in the scriptures? Yes or no?

Immanuel did come, his name was Yeshua, Jesus in greek. Immanuel simply means "God with us", God dwells in all born again believers that have the Holy spirit. So is Isaiah 7:14 about something entirely else? Isaiah in this prophesy adress the HOUSE OF DAVID, which include descendants far into the future, not Ahaz. Watch this:



The Daniel 9 prophesy was indeed fullfilled by Jesus. He defeated death. Romans symbolize satan, and the temple our body. He conquered death on the cross for no other reason than love, and our sin was judged if we go to him. HE purchase us free from the law and by that act became our high priest, as you see for example in Jeremiah 31:31-34 AND Isaiah 53. But you cant love a God that has never revealed who he is, and we see him trough Jesus.

We're given grace not because we're so good at following laws like the jews of the old covenant thought that lead to pride, religiousness and manmade rituals/condemnation of others, but out of love, because love was the only thing that could restore the relashionship between fallen man and God. God restored what we couldnt do ourselves by our own effort. God in the old testament says he has a soft heart and ask why we are afraid of him and hide, does the proud pharasees and the law written in stone project this softness? No, but Jesus do. This is basic christianity.

As for the rest of your claims about Jesus being a failoure etc, i as a christian can testify he was not. You dont get the symbolism of the temple sacrifice, story of Isaac, story of Job, story of Jonah etc. Its all stories forshadowing the what we read in the new testament about the Messiah Yeshua/Jesus. The old testament is the new testament concealed, the new testament is the old testament revealed.

Jesus's own family called Jesus a madman.

Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."

The people who knew Jesus said he was demon possessed.
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?

Jesus asked his disciples to eat him. They walked away in disgust hearing Jesus teach cannibalism.

John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
John 6:60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?"

John 6:66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

When Joseph told Jesus he was not his father that Jesus was an illegitimate bastard. Jesus from that day sought to destroy the traditional family.

Matthew 10:34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn ""a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"
36 a man"s enemies will be the members of his own household."[c]

Jesus was tried, convicted and crucified for his blasphemous lies and lunacy.
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7/8/2018 8:52:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Factseeker wrote:
The Bible.

An example of this fact is with dee-em"s thread "Was Jesus a liar".

Anyone can go to that thread and see how his faulty logic was destroyed so bad he ran from his own thread. But I want to show why this thread is a correct analysis of atheists erroneous thinking.

I put it this way to dee-em but it applies across the board. If someone calls a literalist a clown they must take that to mean that person really thinks the literalist dons a clown costume everyday. Where as the intelligent minded person understands the hyperbole, exaggeration demeaning the literalist"s mental abilities. I used this analogy to show dee-em how he had isolated the versus in question from their intended context as well as showing him the context where the versus were located.

His response only focused on how he thought I didn"t know the difference between metaphors and hyperbole. Well I rightfully pointed out that hyperbole can be metaphorical to which lied and basically claimed they were mutually exclusive. I disagreed so he posted a link which he thought was supporting his position but it turned out it belittled the literal minded. In other words, his position. That"s when he ran away.

But I felt the need to share something for the rest of the atheists who are on the same fools errand. Thus proving the claim atheists don"t understand English let alone the Bible.

"a hyperbolic metaphor is one that operates on an analogy that is inappropriate in magnitude" https://sesquiotic.com...

That Jesus was a liar is neither a metaphor or hyperbole. Get an education you ignorant mutt.

Liar definition: a person who tells lies.
The Gospels give us an eyewitness account of what was said and done by Jesus. They were easily verified by cross referencing the Gospels and the final outcome proves most of Jesus's claims turned out to be lies which was why Jesus was tried, convicted and crucified for his blasphemous lies and lunacy.

Jesus was a liar and a lunatic.
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9/17/2018 5:11:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Why did Jesus find it so difficult to convince the people of his time that he was a messiah? Let us exagmine some of the methods he used to shed light on why he failed in his mission, Which was to save the lost people of Israel.
Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. " -

Jesus tried to convince the people John tbe Baptist was the Elijah, The Elijah that was to come before the Lord. But John denied he was Elijah.
John 1:21 "Then who are you? " they inquired. "Are you Elijah? " He said, "I am not. " "Are you the Prophet? " He answered, "No. "

John the Baptiat was expecting a messiah that would deliver the people from their sins and Roman occupation. But instead Jesus went around playing doctor which cause John to doubt Jesus was the promised deliverer.
Matthew 11:3 to ask Him, "Are You the One who was to come, Or should we look for someone else? . . .

Jesus tried to convince the people through miracles that he was the messiah. But the people ignored his trickery and threatened to stone him for blasphemy.
John 10:33 "We are not stoning You for any good work, " said the Jews, "but for blasphemy, Because You, Who are a man, Declare Yourself to be God. "

Jesus then tried other gimmicks to convince the people. He tried to destroy the traditional family. That didn't work.
Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, But a sword. 35 For I have come to turn ""a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother, A daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"
36 a man"s enemies will be the members of his own household. "[c]

He promised them they would be saved if they ate his flesh and drank his blood. The people walked away in disgust.
John 6: 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, And I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, And I in them.
66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

Jesus's family and the people who knew him were convinced he was a demon possessed madman.
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, They went out to take custody of Him, Saying, "He is out of His mind. "
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him? . . .

Jesus seeing he was losing the people decided to lay low for a while. He told his disciple to keep his identity a secret.
Matthew 16:20 Then He admonished the disciples not to tell anyone that He was the Christ.

So what made Jesus come out of the closet and go against he better instincts and self preservation. His drinking and alcoholism finally got to him. After some heavy drinking at Passover festival Jesus went out to pray. He prayed to God to take away the cup he was drinking from. His alcoholism was now apparent. He even stumbled and fell on his face in his drunken stupor.
Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, He fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, If it is possible, May this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, But as you will. "

The next day Jesus was arrested and tried, Convicted and crucified. On the cross Jesus lamented. For someone with a messiah complex it had to be disappointing.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, Lema sabachthani? " which means, "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken Me? "

Even the Pope declared Jesus's life was a failure and the cross a failure of God.

Pope Francis said during his whirlwind U. S. Tour. "And if at times OUR EFFORTS AND WORKS SEEM TO FAIL AND PRODUCE NO FRUIT, We need to REMEMBER that WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS we are followers of Jesus. . . And His LIFE, Humanly speaking, ENDED IN FAILURE, THE FAILURE OF THE CROSS. "

When you don"t understand something, When desperation hits you then look at the cross. THAT IS THE GREAT FAILURE OF GOD, THAT IS THE DESTRUCTION OF GOD, AND IT'S A CHALLENGE TO OUR FAITH.

Jesus the liar, Lunatic and loser according to Psychiatry.

c. "JESUS: The New Testament (NT) recalls Jesus as having experienced and shown behavior closely resembling the DSM-IV-TR"defined phenomena of Auditory Hallucinations, Visual Hallucinations, Delusions, Referential thinking (see Figure 3), Paranoid-type (Paranoid Schizophrenic subtype) thought content, And hyperreligiosity " In terms of potential causes of perceptual and behavioral changes, It might be asked whether starvation and metabolic derangements were present. The hallucinatory-like experiences that Jesus had in the desert while he fasted for 40 days (Luke 4:1"13) may have been induced by starvation and metabolic derangements. " The absence of physical maladies or apparent epilepsy leaves primary psychiatric etiologies as more plausible. As seen with the previous cases, Jesus" experiences can be potentially conceptualized within the framework of Paranoid Schizophrenia or Psychosis Not Otherwise Specified. Other reasonable possibilities might include bipolar and schizoaffective disorders. There is a 5%-10% lifetime risk of suicide in persons with schizophrenia. Suicide is defined as a self-inflicted death with evidence of an intention to end one"s life. The New Testament recounts Jesus" awareness that people intended to kill him and his taking steps to avoid peril until the time at which he permitted his apprehension. In advance, He explained to his followers the necessity of his death as prelude for his return (Matthew 16:21"28; Mark 8:31; John 16:16"28). If this occurred in the manner described, Then Jesus appears to have deliberately placed himself in circumstances wherein he anticipated his execution. Although schizophrenia is associated with an increased risk of suicide, This would not be a typical case. The more common mood-disorder accompaniments of suicide, Such as depression, Hopelessness, And social isolation, Were not present, But other risk factors, Such as age and male gender, Were present. Suicide-by-proxy is described as "any incident in which a suicidal individual causes his or her death to be carried out by another person. " There is a potential parallel of Jesus" beliefs and behavior leading up to his death to that of one who premeditates a form of suicide-by-proxy. " (The Role of Psychotic Disorders in Religious History Considered, Evan D. Murray, M. D. Miles G. Cunningham, M. D. , Ph. D. Bruce H. Price, M. D. , The Journal of Neuropsychiatry and Clinical Neurosciences 2012;
A. Today, Psychiatry diagnoses Jesus with schizophrenia:
"In short, The nature of the hallucinations of Jesus, As they are described in the orthodox Gospels, Permits us to conclude that the founder of the Christian religion was afflicted with religious paranoia. " (Charles Binet-Sangl", La Folie de J"sus, The Madness of Jesus, 1910, P 393)
"Everything that we know about him [Jesus] conforms so perfectly to the clinical picture of paranoia that it is hardly conceivable that people can even question the accuracy of the diagnosis. "(American psychiatrist William Hirsch, Conclusions of a Psychiatrist, 1912, P 99)
"Jesus Christ might simply have returned to his carpentry following the use of modern [psychiatric] treatments. " (William Sargant, "The movement in psychiatry away from the philosophical, " The Times (English), 22 August 1974, P 14)
"For example, As we will show, A materialist readily believes-without any reliable evidence whatsoever-that great spiritual leaders suffer from temporal-lobe epilepsy rather than that they have spiritual experiences that inspire others as well as themselves. " (The Spiritual Brain, Mario Beauregard Ph. D. , Neuroscientist, 2007, P xii)
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10/8/2018 4:04:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Not only did Jesus break all the commandments, He was declared certifiably mad and demon possessed by his family and those around him.

Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, They went out to take custody of Him, Saying, "He is out of His mind. "

John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him? . . .

Jesus rants away like a madman in public and ask his disciples to eat him.
John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, And I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
60 On hearing it, Many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it? "
66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

After Jesus discovered he was an illegitimate bastard born out of wedlock, He sought to destroy the traditional family.
Matthew 10: 35 For I have come to turn ""a man against his father, A daughter against her mother, A daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"

Here is how Jesus is diagnosed by psychiatrists.

A. Today, Psychiatry diagnoses Jesus with schizophrenia:
"In short, The nature of the hallucinations of Jesus, As they are described in the orthodox Gospels, Permits us to conclude that the founder of the Christian religion was afflicted with religious paranoia. " (Charles Binet-Sangl", La Folie de J"sus, The Madness of Jesus,

"Everything that we know about him [Jesus] conforms so perfectly to the clinical picture of paranoia that it is hardly conceivable that people can even question the accuracy of the diagnosis. "(American psychiatrist William Hirsch, Conclusions of a Psychiatrist,

"Jesus Christ might simply have returned to his carpentry following the use of modern [psychiatric] treatments. " (William Sargant, "The movement in psychiatry away from the philosophical, " The Times (English), 22 August

"For example, As we will show, A materialist readily believes-without any reliable evidence whatsoever-that great spiritual leaders suffer from temporal-lobe epilepsy rather than that they have spiritual experiences that inspire others as well as themselves. " (The Spiritual Brain, Mario Beauregard Ph. D. , Neuroscientist,

"JESUS: The New Testament (NT) recalls Jesus as having experienced and shown behavior closely resembling the DSM-IV-TR"defined phenomena of Auditory Hallucinations, Visual Hallucinations, Delusions, Referential thinking (see Figure 3), Paranoid-type (Paranoid Schizophrenic subtype) thought content, And hyperreligiosity " In terms of potential causes of perceptual and behavioral changes, It might be asked whether starvation and metabolic derangements were present.

The hallucinatory-like experiences that Jesus had in the desert while he fasted for 40 days (Luke 4:1"13) may have been induced by starvation and metabolic derangements. " The absence of physical maladies or apparent epilepsy leaves primary psychiatric etiologies as more plausible. As seen with the previous cases, Jesus" experiences can be potentially conceptualized within the framework of Paranoid Schizophrenia or Psychosis Not Otherwise Specified. Other reasonable possibilities might include bipolar and schizoaffective disorders.

There is a 5%-10% lifetime risk of suicide in persons with schizophrenia. Suicide is defined as a self-inflicted death with evidence of an intention to end one"s life. The New Testament recounts Jesus" awareness that people intended to kill him and his taking steps to avoid peril until the time at which he permitted his apprehension. In advance, He explained to his followers the necessity of his death as prelude for his return (Matthew 16:21"28; Mark 8:31; John 16:16"28). If this occurred in the manner described, Then Jesus appears to have deliberately placed himself in circumstances wherein he anticipated his execution. Although schizophrenia is associated with an increased risk of suicide, This would not be a typical case.

The more common mood-disorder accompaniments of suicide, Such as depression, Hopelessness, And social isolation, Were not present, But other risk factors, Such as age and male gender, Were present. Suicide-by-proxy is described as "any incident in which a suicidal individual causes his or her death to be carried out by another person. " There is a potential parallel of Jesus" beliefs and behavior leading up to his death to that of one who premeditates a form of suicide-by-proxy. " (The Role of Psychotic Disorders in Religious History Considered, Evan D. Murray, M. D. Miles G. Cunningham, M. D. , Ph. D. Bruce H. Price, M. D. , The Journal of Neuropsychiatry and Clinical Neurosciences

They confirm Jesus was a deluded liar and a lunatic.
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10/30/2018 2:09:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Jesus was a pathological liar.
Jesus said no one ascended to heaven.
John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man

Elijah was taken into heaven in a whirlwind.
2 Kings 2:11 As they were walking along and talking together, Suddenly a chariot of fire with horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, And Elijah went up into heaven in a whirlwind.

Jesus was seen talking with Moses and Elijah by Peter and the disciples.
Matthew 17:3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, Talking with Jesus.
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11/23/2018 6:05:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
No, The pathological liars are the fallen sons of Gods that take control of the narratives of the Bible so no one can know about the true Cosmic War they hide. Do you know what the three heavens are? If you do not, You cannot understand the truths written in the Bible. Paul said he went to the third heaven and to paradise. Where are these places he visited?

I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago"whether in the body I do not know, Or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows"such a one was caught up to the third heaven. And I know such a man"whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows" 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, Which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, Except in my infirmities. For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, Lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me. (2 Cor12:1-6)

Paul does not boast like you do because He learns from Christ not Lucifer. Have you been to the third heaven? Paul was writing to the Satanic moles. He is writing to them because he had worshipped Lucifer before Christ met him. His writings are specifically for the satanic moles.
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11/23/2018 9:57:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
anonthegreat wrote:
No, The pathological liars are the fallen sons of Gods that take control of the narratives of the Bible so no one can know about the true Cosmic War they hide. Do you know what the three heavens are? If you do not, You cannot understand the truths written in the Bible. Paul said he went to the third heaven and to paradise. Where are these places he visited?

I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago"whether in the body I do not know, Or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows"such a one was caught up to the third heaven. And I know such a man"whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows" 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, Which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, Except in my infirmities. For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, Lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me. (2 Cor12:1-6)

Actually Paul repeatedly declares he does not know "Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know. "
You are quoting someone who repeatedly admits he does not know.

Paul does not boast like you do because He learns from Christ not Lucifer. Have you been to the third heaven? Paul was writing to the Satanic moles. He is writing to them because he had worshipped Lucifer before Christ met him. His writings are specifically for the satanic moles.

Learn to read you scripturally ignorant mutt.
2 Corinthians 12:2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows.

You are quoting someone who repeatedly admits he does not know.
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11/28/2018 8:48:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
JESUS? No one knows. . . . It's been 2000 YEARS. . . .

Most likely this guy was OPEN MINDED and had some useful ideas on HEALTH and WELLNESS. . . There are to many POSSIBILITIES

>>>>>>>ABSOLUTE= Jesus is NO GOD. . . There is no such ENTITY. . . . GOD is a human fabricated construct for POWER and CONTROL. . . . A SCAPEGOAT. . . Nothing more. . .

Going forward JESUS-JEW-ALLAH GODS will end up in MYTHOLOGY like ZEUS and ODIN. . Forgotten. . . The stuff of Comic books and Entertainment for children. . . Without all the FEAR INTIMIDATION and VIOLENCE. . . .

WHAT is ABSOLUTE = NO GOD approval or validation is NEEDED ever. . . . . . .
to EXIST and DIE. . . . Only a scum sucking mind and life molesting PSYCHOPATH supports JESUS and ALLAH. . . . They use these GOD invented hoaxes to INFLICT PAIN and SUFFERING. . .

GET RID of JESUS and ALLAH as TOOLS for SLAVERY. . . Flush then down a toilet
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11/28/2018 8:56:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
WisdomOfAges wrote:
JESUS? No one knows. . . . It's been 2000 YEARS. . . .

Most likely this guy was OPEN MINDED and had some useful ideas on HEALTH and WELLNESS. . . There are to many POSSIBILITIES

>>>>>>>ABSOLUTE= Jesus is NO GOD. . . There is no such ENTITY. . . . GOD is a human fabricated construct for POWER and CONTROL. . . . A SCAPEGOAT. . . Nothing more. . .

Going forward JESUS-JEW-ALLAH GODS will end up in MYTHOLOGY like ZEUS and ODIN. . Forgotten. . . The stuff of Comic books and Entertainment for children. . . Without all the FEAR INTIMIDATION and VIOLENCE. . . .

WHAT is ABSOLUTE = NO GOD approval or validation is NEEDED ever. . . . . . .
to EXIST and DIE. . . . Only a scum sucking mind and life molesting PSYCHOPATH supports JESUS and ALLAH. . . . They use these GOD invented hoaxes to INFLICT PAIN and SUFFERING. . .

GET RID of JESUS and ALLAH as TOOLS for SLAVERY. . . Flush then down a toilet

You appear to lose your religious inihibitions when you are in the toilet. Do you behave the same in your church?
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2/6/2019 1:23:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
We can get the lunatic checked off easily.

John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him? "

Mark 3:21 when his family heard about this, They went to take charge of him, For they said, "He is out of his mind. "

Jesus was deluded and believed God spoke through him.
John 12:49 For I did not speak on my own, But the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

But when the people listened to the words he spoke they did not understand him, Even his disciples struggled to understand him. Jesus had to explain to them in secret what he was saying in his parables. But he explained with more parables which suggests God was also incoherent and inarticulate and failed to communicate through Jesus. But we know God turned Moses who was slow in speech and mind into a leader and messenger. The problem was Jesus not God.

Mark 4:34 He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, He explained everything.

Jesus was a notorious liar. Even John the Baptist expressed his doubts to Jesus and asked Jesus if he was really the promised one.
Jesus lied when he said John the Baptist was Elijah. John denied he was Elijah.

Here are the scriptures to back my claims. Jesus said John was Elijah, John denies he is Elijah.

Matthew 11:14
And if you are willing to accept what I say, He is Elijah, The one the prophets said would come.

In John 1:6"8 and John 1:19"28, John the Baptist denies he is Elijah. Yet in Matthew 17:9"13, Jesus implies that he was. Isn't this a contradiction?

John 1:21"They asked him, "Then who are you? Are you Elijah? "
He said, "I am not. "
"Are you the Prophet? "
He answered, "No. "

John expresses doubts Jesus is the promised one.
Matthew 11:2"When John, Who was in prison, Heard about the deeds of the Messiah, He sent his disciples 3"to ask him, "Are you the one who is to come, Or should we expect someone else? "

Jesus expresses his own doubts on the cross.

Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, Lema sabachthani? " (which means "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me? ").

We know Jesus was crucified for his blasphemous lies.
Jesus did not fulfill any prophesies. By his own account he did not come to change the laws of the prophets. He proved he was subjected to the laws even in his life and thereby validating the Mosaic law given to the Jews by God.
According to the Jewish law:
Deuteronomy 18:20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, Or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, Is to be put to death. "

It is clear Jesus did not fulfill the prophesies. Instead, He was subjected to the law and put to death as demanded of false prophets according to Mosaic law.

Jesus lied that he was to be sacrificed.

Human sacrifice was forbidden by God. So Jesus was not sacrificed.

Many argue Jesus's death was prophesied. But even Jesus's prophesies were not fulfilled.

1. Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, Flee to another. Truly I tell you, You will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Jesus never fulfilled that promise.

2. Matthew 24:34
Truly I tell you, This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

2000 years have passed and many generation have gone by yet his promise remains unfulfilled.

Jesus was a liar and a lunatic before and after his death. Unfortunately he could only be crucified once.

So why are Christians turning God into a liar and lunatic or turning a liar and lunatic into a God?

As a Vedantist raised in the Vedantuc tradition and trained in the reading of esoteric scriptures, Christian Theology and Islamic fundamentalist, I am not at liberty to speculate outside of scriptures. And the scriptures are clear that Jesus was tried, Convicted and put to death for his blasphemous lies and lunacy.

So why are Christians perpetrating the delusions of a Jewish rabbi who was put to death for his delusional blasphemous lies?

We have to turn to our experts in tbe field of human behaviour. As a student of the behavioural sciences (CBT) I have also explored a diagnostic approach.

Kathleen Taylor, Neuroscientist, Says Religious Fundamentalism Could Be Treated As A Mental Illness - Huffington Post
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6/24/2019 9:54:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
JESUS? Is a Roman invention. . . . . The JEWS around 30 AD decide this FAKE MESSIAH must
be EXTERMINATED. . . . They have a GOD already he was invented by MOSES 1400 years
before this boy wonder hoax of a MESSIAH popped out of some idiot illiterate Jewish VIRGIN tribe girl!

Leave it to the ROMANS the kings of SEXUAL PERVERSION to use some hapless VIRGIN
JEW girl story! As the mother of this imbecile = the SON of GOD!

What a kick in the JEW CROTCH the Romans pulled when the JEWS themselves demanded JESUS to be EXECUTED. . . And of course Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate gladly agreed. . YES he thought let's give these miserable JEWS their wish of JESUS nailed to a stick! Then ROME will use the boy wonder fake MESSIAH HOAX and spin him into a GOD for the NON JEW! JESUS will be used as a scapegoat for the new ROMAN Catholic Church CULT!

and here humanity is now. . . YEAR 2019. . . And for 2000 years since the JESUS hoax was
murdered. . . . There has been NO SIGN of the BOY WONDER GOD! Just the psychopaths who preach and play GOD in his name!

So it does NOT MATTER what JESUS thought, Or did, Or did not do. . . He is a TOOL a TOY,
a PUPPET used to assimilate, Hypnotize, And brainwash STUPID HUMANS into slavery
and servitude of the Clowns in Halloween Glory own costumes that PLAY GOD in his name! What a great con game these parasite preaching LIARS play on the truly dumbed down masses of ASSES they control. . .

The message given by the Church psychopaths is OBEY or be PUNISHED. . . In the name
of JESUS! And where is this JESUS imbecile who ran away from EARTH long ago?

Seems like all the GOD stories stopped by the time ALLAH the other Middle East Arab
GOD hoax invention arrived. . . According to the Middle East RETARDS. . . There are only
3 GODS. . The JEW. . . The JESUS. . . The ALLAH. . . . None of which are available or visible to
anyone!

The Abrahamic GODS are a JOKE. . . . 3 cheap shot knock off GOD hoaxes stolen and twisted into the only GODS that matter! Then why are there 3 of them and not just
1. . . The one and only GOD of GODS? Because GOD is a man made HOAX. . . A Comic
Book character with stories, Comic Book Bible, Koran, Talmud VOMIT, And organized
TERRORIST organizations that hide behind a RELIGION FACADE. . .

JESUS is a pathetic PUPPET of the Roman Church. . . And also the PUPPET CLOWN TOOL
of countless other CHURCH CULT organizations. . . All of which are dedicated to MONEY and POWER. . Not their pathetic imbecile NO SHOW GOD HOAX!

The Abrahamic GODS are nothing but PUPPET CLOWN DOLLS used by world class PSYCHOPATH PARASITE VAMPIRES. . . . As TOOLS for MURDER and DESTRUCTION. . .
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6/24/2019 10:35:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
WisdomOfAges wrote:
JESUS? Is a Roman invention. . . . . The JEWS around 30 AD decide this FAKE MESSIAH must
be EXTERMINATED. . . . They have a GOD already he was invented by MOSES 1400 years
before this boy wonder hoax of a MESSIAH popped out of some idiot illiterate Jewish VIRGIN tribe girl!

Leave it to the ROMANS the kings of SEXUAL PERVERSION to use some hapless VIRGIN
JEW girl story! As the mother of this imbecile = the SON of GOD!

What a kick in the JEW CROTCH the Romans pulled when the JEWS themselves demanded JESUS to be EXECUTED. . . And of course Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate gladly agreed. . YES he thought let's give these miserable JEWS their wish of JESUS nailed to a stick! Then ROME will use the boy wonder fake MESSIAH HOAX and spin him into a GOD for the NON JEW! JESUS will be used as a scapegoat for the new ROMAN Catholic Church CULT!

and here humanity is now. . . YEAR 2019. . . And for 2000 years since the JESUS hoax was
murdered. . . . There has been NO SIGN of the BOY WONDER GOD! Just the psychopaths who preach and play GOD in his name!

So it does NOT MATTER what JESUS thought, Or did, Or did not do. . . He is a TOOL a TOY,
a PUPPET used to assimilate, Hypnotize, And brainwash STUPID HUMANS into slavery
and servitude of the Clowns in Halloween Glory own costumes that PLAY GOD in his name! What a great con game these parasite preaching LIARS play on the truly dumbed down masses of ASSES they control. . .

The message given by the Church psychopaths is OBEY or be PUNISHED. . . In the name
of JESUS! And where is this JESUS imbecile who ran away from EARTH long ago?

Seems like all the GOD stories stopped by the time ALLAH the other Middle East Arab
GOD hoax invention arrived. . . According to the Middle East RETARDS. . . There are only
3 GODS. . The JEW. . . The JESUS. . . The ALLAH. . . . None of which are available or visible to
anyone!

The Abrahamic GODS are a JOKE. . . . 3 cheap shot knock off GOD hoaxes stolen and twisted into the only GODS that matter! Then why are there 3 of them and not just
1. . . The one and only GOD of GODS? Because GOD is a man made HOAX. . . A Comic
Book character with stories, Comic Book Bible, Koran, Talmud VOMIT, And organized
TERRORIST organizations that hide behind a RELIGION FACADE. . .

JESUS is a pathetic PUPPET of the Roman Church. . . And also the PUPPET CLOWN TOOL
of countless other CHURCH CULT organizations. . . All of which are dedicated to MONEY and POWER. . Not their pathetic imbecile NO SHOW GOD HOAX!

The Abrahamic GODS are nothing but PUPPET CLOWN DOLLS used by world class PSYCHOPATH PARASITE VAMPIRES. . . . As TOOLS for MURDER and DESTRUCTION. . .

Jesus was a circumcised Jewish prick. 2 billion Christians worship this despised Jew. The Pope shows his disdain for the Jew by carrying around a staff reminding Catholics Jesus was crucified by the Romans who went on to displace Judaism the religion Jesus followed and replaced it with the Roman Catholic Church.
The Jews are left with the haunting thought 2 billion Christians believe from Jesus's example and teachings that dead Jews can forgive their sins. Hitler a devout Catholic sacrificed 6 million Jews to test this Jewish theory. It was rumoured no Jew was allowed to convert or was saved.
Jews cannot go back to animal sacrifice and are banned from human sacrifice. Circumcision can only get them so far! What say you Wiseguy?
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6/24/2019 11:54:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
SIMPLE, There is absolutely NOTHING useful about any of the Abrahamic GOD garbage.

The highest priority NOW is ti reduce all 3 GOD hoaxes to Comic Book Mythology or better yet just trash it all like these 3 GOD inventors have done to all the other GODS humans ever invented.

No human needs any GOD or RELIGION to EXIST and THRIVE. . . . EVER. . . So it is imperative that all GODS are not used as TOOLS, As scapegoats to commit crimes against anything or anyone. . . All of them can be used for entertainment or the illusion of seeking enlightenment without inciting FEAR - INTIMIDATION - VIOLENCE. . . .

Going over the obvious TRUTH of the Abrahamic GOD hoaxes needs to be done so the people who have NOT been CONTAMINATED, HYPNOTIZED, BRAINWASHED never become caged and exploited by the CON ARTIST SCUM THAT PROMOTE IT. . .

That is the purpose of TRUE WISDOM. . . = debate without attaching the sickness of
FEAR - ANGER - RESENTMENT - MURDER - DESTRUCTION +++

HUMANITY must rid itself of these GOD hoaxes to survive. . . The Abrahamics are determined to destroy the planet. . . They must DIE off and be stopped from doing so

The best way is for a movement worldwide to reduce JESUS and ALLAH to USELESS
. . . Nothing worth getting angry over, Nothing worth drowning in Bible/Koran, Church, Mosque VOMIT over. . . They become silly stories from a very illiterate time in human existence. . . And forgotten just like a lousy sit com on TV. . . It came, It went, It IS FORGOTTEN. . . . .
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10/2/2019 9:33:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/28/2016 2:46:14 PM, Harikrish wrote:
We can get the lunatic checked off easily.

John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?"

Mark 3:21 when his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."

Jesus was deluded and believed God spoke through him.
John 12:49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

But when the people listened to the words he spoke they did not understand him, even his disciples struggled to understand him. Jesus had to explain to them in secret what he was saying in his parables. But he explained with more parables which suggests God was also incoherent and inarticulate and failed to communicate through Jesus. But we know God turned Moses who was slow in speech and mind into a leader and messenger. The problem was Jesus not God.

Mark 4:34 He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything.

Jesus was a notorious liar. Even John the Baptist expressed his doubts to Jesus and asked Jesus if he was really the promised one.
Jesus lied when he said John the Baptist was Elijah. John denied he was Elijah.

Here are the scriptures to back my claims. Jesus said John was Elijah, John denies he is Elijah.

Matthew 11:14
And if you are willing to accept what I say, he is Elijah, the one the prophets said would come.

In John 1:6"8 and John 1:19"28, John the Baptist denies he is Elijah. Yet in Matthew 17:9"13, Jesus implies that he was. Isn't this a contradiction?

John 1:21"They asked him, "Then who are you? Are you Elijah?"
He said, "I am not."
"Are you the Prophet?"
He answered, "No."

John expresses doubts Jesus is the promised one.
Matthew 11:2"When John, who was in prison, heard about the deeds of the Messiah, he sent his disciples 3"to ask him, "Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?"

Jesus expresses his own doubts on the cross.

Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").

We know Jesus was crucified for his blasphemous lies.
Jesus did not fulfill any prophesies. By his own account he did not come to change the laws of the prophets. He proved he was subjected to the laws even in his life and thereby validating the Mosaic law given to the Jews by God.
According to the Jewish law:
Deuteronomy 18:20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death."

It is clear Jesus did not fulfill the prophesies. Instead, He was subjected to the law and put to death as demanded of false prophets according to Mosaic law.

Jesus lied that he was to be sacrificed.

Human sacrifice was forbidden by God. So Jesus was not sacrificed.

Many argue Jesus's death was prophesied. But even Jesus's prophesies were not fulfilled.

1. Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Jesus never fulfilled that promise.

2. Matthew 24:34
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

2000 years have passed and many generation have gone by yet his promise remains unfulfilled.

Jesus was a liar and a lunatic before and after his death. Unfortunately he could only be crucified once.

So why are Christians turning God into a liar and lunatic or turning a liar and lunatic into a God?

As a Vedantist raised in the Vedantuc tradition and trained in the reading of esoteric scriptures, Christian Theology and Islamic fundamentalist, I am not at liberty to speculate outside of scriptures. And the scriptures are clear that Jesus was tried, convicted and put to death for his blasphemous lies and lunacy.

So why are Christians perpetrating the delusions of a Jewish rabbi who was put to death for his delusional blasphemous lies?

We have to turn to our experts in tbe field of human behaviour. As a student of the behavioural sciences (CBT) I have also explored a diagnostic approach.

Kathleen Taylor, Neuroscientist, Says Religious Fundamentalism Could Be Treated As A Mental Illness - Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
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12/18/2019 5:05:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Harikrish wrote: Jesus's family said jesus was a madman.

Pastor TS wrote: And they were wrong. Just like you are wrong.

How can they be wrong when Jesus proved he lost his mind and couldn't even recognize his mother and brothers when he was told his mother and brothers were outside looking for him?

Mark 3:31 Then Jesus" mother and brothers arrived. Standing outside, They sent someone in to call him. 32 A crowd was sitting around him, And they told him, "Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you. "
33 "Who are my mother and my brothers? " he asked.


Mark 3:21 when his family heard about this, They went to take charge of him, For they said, "He is out of his mind. "

Harikrish wrote: The people who knew Jesus said he was a demon possessed madman.
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him? "


Pastor TS wrote: They thought he was mad because he was healing people?

They realized Jesus was a madman because he was claiming to be God. They were not fooled by his magic tricks as scriptures show.

John 10:33 "We are not stoning you for any good work, " they replied, "but for blasphemy, Because you, A mere man, Claim to be God. "


Pastor TS wrote: His family - did not understand in the first instance - but all of them eventually agreed with him. Two of his brothers wrote books for the NT. Both of them dying as martyrs.

So his family was right Jesus was indeed a madman. Even his own brothers had to die because they followed Jesus a madman. Jesus could not save them.

Jesus's own family called Jesus a madman.

Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, They went out to take custody of Him, Saying, "He is out of His mind. "

The people who knew Jesus said he was demon possessed.
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?

Jesus asked his disciples to eat him. They walked away in disgust hearing Jesus teach cannibalism.

John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, And I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
John 6:60 On hearing it, Many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it? "

John 6:66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
When Joseph told Jesus he was not his father that Jesus was an illegitimate bastard. Jesus from that day sought to destroy the traditional family.

Matthew 10:34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, But a sword. 35 For I have come to turn ""a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother, A daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"
36 a man"s enemies will be the members of his own household. "[c]

Jesus wanted everyone to leave their family and follow him to his crucifixion or be unworthy of him. Scriptures tell us no one took up a cross to follow Jesus. They watched his crucifixion from a safe distance.

Matthew 10:37 "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, And whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

Jesus was tried, Convicted and crucified for his blasphemous lies and lunacy.
Matthew 26:But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled. " Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.

On the cross Jesus proved once again he was a demon possessed madman. He blamed God for his failures.

Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, Lema sabachthani? " which means, "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken Me? "

Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.

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