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9/28/2016 9:34:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2016 9:30:32 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:23:38 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:21:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:20:07 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:17:10 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:08:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/28/2016 8:36:52 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

They are not guilty for doing the crucifixion. But by what the Bible tells, they are guilty for false witness.
Pilate said he did not find Jesus guilty of breaking any Roman law, yet he ordered his soldiers to crucify Jesus.
It didn't matter what the Jews thought. Roman authority was final even when they were crucifying the only begotten son of God or the anointed messiah of the Jewish people.

the Jews told pilate Jesus claimed to be their king and the only king they have is Caesar.. that is what set pilate to crucify Jesus..

No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.

no it wasn't...

Yes, it was, that's why he was arrested. Don't you know anything about your religion?

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to the Romans....

pilate says he finds no fault, he had broken no Roman laws...

Sure, when he turned over the tables in the market, for which he was arrested and charged.

what , the romans didn't care about the tables being turned over, pilate was going to release Jesus until the religious leaders stirred things up..
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9/28/2016 9:36:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2016 9:34:11 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:30:32 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:23:38 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:21:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:20:07 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:17:10 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:08:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/28/2016 8:36:52 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

They are not guilty for doing the crucifixion. But by what the Bible tells, they are guilty for false witness.
Pilate said he did not find Jesus guilty of breaking any Roman law, yet he ordered his soldiers to crucify Jesus.
It didn't matter what the Jews thought. Roman authority was final even when they were crucifying the only begotten son of God or the anointed messiah of the Jewish people.

the Jews told pilate Jesus claimed to be their king and the only king they have is Caesar.. that is what set pilate to crucify Jesus..

No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.

no it wasn't...

Yes, it was, that's why he was arrested. Don't you know anything about your religion?

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to the Romans....

pilate says he finds no fault, he had broken no Roman laws...

Sure, when he turned over the tables in the market, for which he was arrested and charged.

what , the romans didn't care about the tables being turned over,

Yeah, they did.

pilate was going to release Jesus until the religious leaders stirred things up..

So what? That does not preclude why he was arrested and charged.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
There would be peace if you obeyed us.~Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/28/2016 9:40:21 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2016 9:36:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:34:11 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:30:32 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:23:38 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:21:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:20:07 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:17:10 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:08:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/28/2016 8:36:52 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

They are not guilty for doing the crucifixion. But by what the Bible tells, they are guilty for false witness.
Pilate said he did not find Jesus guilty of breaking any Roman law, yet he ordered his soldiers to crucify Jesus.
It didn't matter what the Jews thought. Roman authority was final even when they were crucifying the only begotten son of God or the anointed messiah of the Jewish people.

the Jews told pilate Jesus claimed to be their king and the only king they have is Caesar.. that is what set pilate to crucify Jesus..

No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.

no it wasn't...

Yes, it was, that's why he was arrested. Don't you know anything about your religion?

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to the Romans....

pilate says he finds no fault, he had broken no Roman laws...

Sure, when he turned over the tables in the market, for which he was arrested and charged.

what , the romans didn't care about the tables being turned over,

Yeah, they did.

pilate was going to release Jesus until the religious leaders stirred things up..

So what? That does not preclude why he was arrested and charged.

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to caiaphas at night, which as i said is against the jewish laws..

they took Jesus to the Romans....
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9/28/2016 9:41:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2016 9:40:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:36:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:34:11 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:30:32 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:23:38 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:21:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:20:07 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:17:10 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:08:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/28/2016 8:36:52 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

They are not guilty for doing the crucifixion. But by what the Bible tells, they are guilty for false witness.
Pilate said he did not find Jesus guilty of breaking any Roman law, yet he ordered his soldiers to crucify Jesus.
It didn't matter what the Jews thought. Roman authority was final even when they were crucifying the only begotten son of God or the anointed messiah of the Jewish people.

the Jews told pilate Jesus claimed to be their king and the only king they have is Caesar.. that is what set pilate to crucify Jesus..

No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.

no it wasn't...

Yes, it was, that's why he was arrested. Don't you know anything about your religion?

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to the Romans....

pilate says he finds no fault, he had broken no Roman laws...

Sure, when he turned over the tables in the market, for which he was arrested and charged.

what , the romans didn't care about the tables being turned over,

Yeah, they did.

pilate was going to release Jesus until the religious leaders stirred things up..

So what? That does not preclude why he was arrested and charged.

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to caiaphas at night, which as i said is against the jewish laws..

they took Jesus to the Romans....

Sorry, not true.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
There would be peace if you obeyed us.~Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/28/2016 9:43:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2016 9:41:40 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:40:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:36:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:34:11 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:30:32 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:23:38 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:21:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:20:07 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:17:10 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:08:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/28/2016 8:36:52 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

They are not guilty for doing the crucifixion. But by what the Bible tells, they are guilty for false witness.
Pilate said he did not find Jesus guilty of breaking any Roman law, yet he ordered his soldiers to crucify Jesus.
It didn't matter what the Jews thought. Roman authority was final even when they were crucifying the only begotten son of God or the anointed messiah of the Jewish people.

the Jews told pilate Jesus claimed to be their king and the only king they have is Caesar.. that is what set pilate to crucify Jesus..

No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.

no it wasn't...

Yes, it was, that's why he was arrested. Don't you know anything about your religion?

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to the Romans....

pilate says he finds no fault, he had broken no Roman laws...

Sure, when he turned over the tables in the market, for which he was arrested and charged.

what , the romans didn't care about the tables being turned over,

Yeah, they did.

pilate was going to release Jesus until the religious leaders stirred things up..

So what? That does not preclude why he was arrested and charged.

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to caiaphas at night, which as i said is against the jewish laws..

they took Jesus to the Romans....

Sorry, not true.

lol yes it is............. ask your other id , they might know...lol
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9/28/2016 9:46:21 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2016 9:43:06 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:41:40 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:40:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:36:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:34:11 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:30:32 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:23:38 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:21:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:20:07 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:17:10 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:08:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/28/2016 8:36:52 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

They are not guilty for doing the crucifixion. But by what the Bible tells, they are guilty for false witness.
Pilate said he did not find Jesus guilty of breaking any Roman law, yet he ordered his soldiers to crucify Jesus.
It didn't matter what the Jews thought. Roman authority was final even when they were crucifying the only begotten son of God or the anointed messiah of the Jewish people.

the Jews told pilate Jesus claimed to be their king and the only king they have is Caesar.. that is what set pilate to crucify Jesus..

No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.

no it wasn't...

Yes, it was, that's why he was arrested. Don't you know anything about your religion?

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to the Romans....

pilate says he finds no fault, he had broken no Roman laws...

Sure, when he turned over the tables in the market, for which he was arrested and charged.

what , the romans didn't care about the tables being turned over,

Yeah, they did.

pilate was going to release Jesus until the religious leaders stirred things up..

So what? That does not preclude why he was arrested and charged.

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to caiaphas at night, which as i said is against the jewish laws..

they took Jesus to the Romans....

Sorry, not true.

lol yes it is............. ask your other id , they might know...lol

Obviously, you have no clue.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
There would be peace if you obeyed us.~Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/28/2016 9:51:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2016 9:46:21 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:43:06 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:41:40 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:40:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:36:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:34:11 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:30:32 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:23:38 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:21:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:20:07 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:17:10 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:08:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/28/2016 8:36:52 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

They are not guilty for doing the crucifixion. But by what the Bible tells, they are guilty for false witness.
Pilate said he did not find Jesus guilty of breaking any Roman law, yet he ordered his soldiers to crucify Jesus.
It didn't matter what the Jews thought. Roman authority was final even when they were crucifying the only begotten son of God or the anointed messiah of the Jewish people.

the Jews told pilate Jesus claimed to be their king and the only king they have is Caesar.. that is what set pilate to crucify Jesus..

No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.

no it wasn't...

Yes, it was, that's why he was arrested. Don't you know anything about your religion?

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to the Romans....

pilate says he finds no fault, he had broken no Roman laws...

Sure, when he turned over the tables in the market, for which he was arrested and charged.

what , the romans didn't care about the tables being turned over,

Yeah, they did.

pilate was going to release Jesus until the religious leaders stirred things up..

So what? That does not preclude why he was arrested and charged.

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to caiaphas at night, which as i said is against the jewish laws..

they took Jesus to the Romans....

Sorry, not true.

lol yes it is............. ask your other id , they might know...lol

Obviously, you have no clue.

I have stated how it happened several times... but if you cannot read it is not my fault...
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9/28/2016 9:52:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2016 9:51:07 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:46:21 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:43:06 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:41:40 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:40:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:36:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:34:11 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:30:32 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:23:38 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:21:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:20:07 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:17:10 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:08:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/28/2016 8:36:52 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

They are not guilty for doing the crucifixion. But by what the Bible tells, they are guilty for false witness.
Pilate said he did not find Jesus guilty of breaking any Roman law, yet he ordered his soldiers to crucify Jesus.
It didn't matter what the Jews thought. Roman authority was final even when they were crucifying the only begotten son of God or the anointed messiah of the Jewish people.

the Jews told pilate Jesus claimed to be their king and the only king they have is Caesar.. that is what set pilate to crucify Jesus..

No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.

no it wasn't...

Yes, it was, that's why he was arrested. Don't you know anything about your religion?

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to the Romans....

pilate says he finds no fault, he had broken no Roman laws...

Sure, when he turned over the tables in the market, for which he was arrested and charged.

what , the romans didn't care about the tables being turned over,

Yeah, they did.

pilate was going to release Jesus until the religious leaders stirred things up..

So what? That does not preclude why he was arrested and charged.

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to caiaphas at night, which as i said is against the jewish laws..

they took Jesus to the Romans....

Sorry, not true.

lol yes it is............. ask your other id , they might know...lol

Obviously, you have no clue.

I have stated how it happened several times... but if you cannot read it is not my fault...

Repeating the same bs over and over doesn't make it true.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
There would be peace if you obeyed us.~Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/28/2016 9:53:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2016 9:52:39 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:51:07 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:46:21 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:43:06 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:41:40 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:40:21 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:36:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:34:11 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:30:32 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:23:38 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:21:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:20:07 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:17:10 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:08:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/28/2016 8:36:52 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

They are not guilty for doing the crucifixion. But by what the Bible tells, they are guilty for false witness.
Pilate said he did not find Jesus guilty of breaking any Roman law, yet he ordered his soldiers to crucify Jesus.
It didn't matter what the Jews thought. Roman authority was final even when they were crucifying the only begotten son of God or the anointed messiah of the Jewish people.

the Jews told pilate Jesus claimed to be their king and the only king they have is Caesar.. that is what set pilate to crucify Jesus..

No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.

no it wasn't...

Yes, it was, that's why he was arrested. Don't you know anything about your religion?

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to the Romans....

pilate says he finds no fault, he had broken no Roman laws...

Sure, when he turned over the tables in the market, for which he was arrested and charged.

what , the romans didn't care about the tables being turned over,

Yeah, they did.

pilate was going to release Jesus until the religious leaders stirred things up..

So what? That does not preclude why he was arrested and charged.

he was arrested by the Jews and taken to caiaphas at night, which as i said is against the jewish laws..

they took Jesus to the Romans....

Sorry, not true.

lol yes it is............. ask your other id , they might know...lol

Obviously, you have no clue.

I have stated how it happened several times... but if you cannot read it is not my fault...

Repeating the same bs over and over doesn't make it true.

well you should know that with your experience of spouting bs...lol
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9/29/2016 2:11:47 AM
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At 9/22/2016 10:09:19 AM, Harikrish wrote:
Jews have been maligned as prophet killers by Christians. This OP calls on Christians to stop scapegoating Jews as 'Prophet Killers'

Jesus was lying when he accused Jews of killing the prophets sent to them.

Matthew 23:37
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

The Jews did not crucify those who broke the law, they stoned them to death.

Matthew 23:34 "Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,

That is a false charge made by Jesus. The Jews did not have the authority to put anyone to death under Roman Law. Besides, their method for putting law breakers and adulterers to death was by stoning. It was the Romans that crucified criminals. The Romans introduced crucifixion as a method of torturous punishment.

The Jewish people never killed their prophets. That is the biggest lie perpetrated by Christians. What prophets did the Jews kill? In fact, there isn"t a single prophet recorded in the Jewish Bible that was killed by the Jewish people.

But Wait! Jesus gives us an answer:
"And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.." (Matthew 23:35)

Jesus states that Zechariah ben Berekiah was murdered. This is the one and only example that we have of the Jews killing all the prophets. If this example were true then the statements made by Jesus and Paul that the Jews were killing all the prophets is a gross exaggeration but as we shall see this example as given by Jesus in the Book of Matthew is not accurate in the least.

Zechariah ben Berakiah (Zechariah 1:1) was a prophet in Israel. However, he was not murdered by anyone much less the Jewish people. The "only" Zechariah that was killed was another man named Zechariah son of Jehoiada who was executed by order of the King:

"And the spirit of God enveloped Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, and he stood above the people and said to them, "So said God: Why do you transgress the commandments of the Lord? You will not succeed because you have forsaken the Lord, and He has forsaken you." And they conspired against him and stoned him by the king's command, in the forecourt of the House of the Lord.." (2 Chronicles 24:20,21)
So what does this mean"

First, Jesus named the wrong Zechariah (there were 500 years between these two Zechariah"s), second the Zechariah who was killed was NOT a prophet but a priest, and third this Zechariah was not killed between the sanctuary and the altar as Jesus stated rather in the forecourt of the Temple. Jesus got the person, place and timing of this event completely WRONG.

It is also noteworthy that Jesus made another assertion in this false narrative- that the Jews were responsible "from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah" (Matthew 23:35). It is hard to imagine the Jews being responsible for the death of Abel who was the son of Adam and was murdered by his brother Cain. The Jews didn"t even exist then. Further, he implies that Jews are guilty for the whole history of bloodshed from the time of Abel to Zechariah and this is a statement that is unlikely to have been spoken by Jesus as a historical personality. Why would Jesus make statements that are classic anti-Semitic rants unless these statements of Jesus were later edited by Church authorities? Either Jesus was ignorant of the Scriptures and hated his own kindred or his statements have been edited by later anti-Semitic Church authorities. In either case the assertions of the Jews killing the prophets and the details of the explanation are completely wrong."

We know John was not killed by the Jews, he was killed by Herod over a personal matter. It was not an act that can be blamed on the Jewish people.

We also know it was the Romans who crucified Jesus. The Jews had no authority under Roman rule to take a life.

John 18:31 Then said Pilate to them, Take you him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said to him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death

It was the Roman soldiers who crucified Jesus.

John 19:23 When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment remaining.

Here is an exchange between Harikrish and Airmax.

At 9/22/2016 4:13:25 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 9/20/2016 10:12:48 PM, Harikrish wrote:

I don't mean to put you in a spot by calling on your religious scholarship. But it will be tremendously useful if you can correct me if I am wrong in my understanding that there isn"t a single prophet recorded in the Jewish Bible that was killed by the Jewish people, that such an act can be blamed directly on the Jewish people.

You are correct. This is a false assertion used to demonize Jews.

There are a few instances where an individual act by a king or jew might be misrepresented to place blame on the Jewish people. But that implies a collective guilt where none exist.

Correct.

For example PGA quoted : Matthew 23:37 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38 Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!


"Jesus and Paul assert that Jews apparently killed the prophets, but they never name the prophets the Jews killed. In fact, there isn"t a single prophet recorded in the Jewish Bible that was killed by the Jewish people.

We can stop this scapegoating of prophet killers on a separate thread.

I think you have accurately summarized things. It's an interesting topic to be sure, and I'd be more than happy to engage the topic at length. The short answer to all of this is that, no, Jews did not "kill prophets" and all of the assertions saying as much are misrepresentations, or just factually inaccurate for the sake of demonizing Jews and advancing some other agenda.

If you'd like me to go into specifics I'd be happy to when I have the time, but that's the short answer.

Because Jesus knew He was going to be crucified before He incarnated, the Jews are not at all responsible for physically killing Him. They only killed the Messiah by rejecting Him as the bringer of light. In a different sense Christians killed His message because they are totally wrong about His true message and teachings. Muslims are wrong as well by stating that He was not crucified. He was. I have the greatest respect for what Jesus stood for. Too bad so many who claim to worship Him as God and those that revere Him as a prophet don't have a clue as to his true message.
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9/29/2016 8:19:31 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/29/2016 2:11:47 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 9/22/2016 10:09:19 AM, Harikrish wrote:
Jews have been maligned as prophet killers by Christians. This OP calls on Christians to stop scapegoating Jews as 'Prophet Killers'

Jesus was lying when he accused Jews of killing the prophets sent to them.

Matthew 23:37
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

The Jews did not crucify those who broke the law, they stoned them to death.

Matthew 23:34 "Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,

That is a false charge made by Jesus. The Jews did not have the authority to put anyone to death under Roman Law. Besides, their method for putting law breakers and adulterers to death was by stoning. It was the Romans that crucified criminals. The Romans introduced crucifixion as a method of torturous punishment.

The Jewish people never killed their prophets. That is the biggest lie perpetrated by Christians. What prophets did the Jews kill? In fact, there isn"t a single prophet recorded in the Jewish Bible that was killed by the Jewish people.

But Wait! Jesus gives us an answer:
"And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.." (Matthew 23:35)

Jesus states that Zechariah ben Berekiah was murdered. This is the one and only example that we have of the Jews killing all the prophets. If this example were true then the statements made by Jesus and Paul that the Jews were killing all the prophets is a gross exaggeration but as we shall see this example as given by Jesus in the Book of Matthew is not accurate in the least.

Zechariah ben Berakiah (Zechariah 1:1) was a prophet in Israel. However, he was not murdered by anyone much less the Jewish people. The "only" Zechariah that was killed was another man named Zechariah son of Jehoiada who was executed by order of the King:

"And the spirit of God enveloped Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, and he stood above the people and said to them, "So said God: Why do you transgress the commandments of the Lord? You will not succeed because you have forsaken the Lord, and He has forsaken you." And they conspired against him and stoned him by the king's command, in the forecourt of the House of the Lord.." (2 Chronicles 24:20,21)
So what does this mean"

First, Jesus named the wrong Zechariah (there were 500 years between these two Zechariah"s), second the Zechariah who was killed was NOT a prophet but a priest, and third this Zechariah was not killed between the sanctuary and the altar as Jesus stated rather in the forecourt of the Temple. Jesus got the person, place and timing of this event completely WRONG.

It is also noteworthy that Jesus made another assertion in this false narrative- that the Jews were responsible "from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah" (Matthew 23:35). It is hard to imagine the Jews being responsible for the death of Abel who was the son of Adam and was murdered by his brother Cain. The Jews didn"t even exist then. Further, he implies that Jews are guilty for the whole history of bloodshed from the time of Abel to Zechariah and this is a statement that is unlikely to have been spoken by Jesus as a historical personality. Why would Jesus make statements that are classic anti-Semitic rants unless these statements of Jesus were later edited by Church authorities? Either Jesus was ignorant of the Scriptures and hated his own kindred or his statements have been edited by later anti-Semitic Church authorities. In either case the assertions of the Jews killing the prophets and the details of the explanation are completely wrong."

We know John was not killed by the Jews, he was killed by Herod over a personal matter. It was not an act that can be blamed on the Jewish people.

We also know it was the Romans who crucified Jesus. The Jews had no authority under Roman rule to take a life.

John 18:31 Then said Pilate to them, Take you him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said to him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death

It was the Roman soldiers who crucified Jesus.

John 19:23 When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment remaining.

Here is an exchange between Harikrish and Airmax.

At 9/22/2016 4:13:25 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 9/20/2016 10:12:48 PM, Harikrish wrote:

I don't mean to put you in a spot by calling on your religious scholarship. But it will be tremendously useful if you can correct me if I am wrong in my understanding that there isn"t a single prophet recorded in the Jewish Bible that was killed by the Jewish people, that such an act can be blamed directly on the Jewish people.

You are correct. This is a false assertion used to demonize Jews.

There are a few instances where an individual act by a king or jew might be misrepresented to place blame on the Jewish people. But that implies a collective guilt where none exist.

Correct.

For example PGA quoted : Matthew 23:37 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38 Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!


"Jesus and Paul assert that Jews apparently killed the prophets, but they never name the prophets the Jews killed. In fact, there isn"t a single prophet recorded in the Jewish Bible that was killed by the Jewish people.

We can stop this scapegoating of prophet killers on a separate thread.

I think you have accurately summarized things. It's an interesting topic to be sure, and I'd be more than happy to engage the topic at length. The short answer to all of this is that, no, Jews did not "kill prophets" and all of the assertions saying as much are misrepresentations, or just factually inaccurate for the sake of demonizing Jews and advancing some other agenda.

If you'd like me to go into specifics I'd be happy to when I have the time, but that's the short answer.

Because Jesus knew He was going to be crucified before He incarnated, the Jews are not at all responsible for physically killing Him. They only killed the Messiah by rejecting Him as the bringer of light. In a different sense Christians killed His message because they are totally wrong about His true message and teachings. Muslims are wrong as well by stating that He was not crucified. He was. I have the greatest respect for what Jesus stood for. Too bad so many who claim to worship Him as God and those that revere Him as a prophet don't have a clue as to his true message.

By killing Jesus, the Jews made 2 billion Christians accept a Jewish Rabbi as their messiah, saviour and God. How great is that?!!
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9/29/2016 6:04:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.

What crimes?
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9/29/2016 6:13:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/26/2016 9:59:05 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/23/2016 9:39:46 PM, Harikrish wrote:
The Jews threatened to stone Jesus on several occasions for his blasphemous claims, but they let him get away hoping he would stop.

Or because they didn"t have the right to kill him as this scripture tells:

Pilate therefore said to them, "Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law." Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"
John 18:31

So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

Would you be willing to take this stance in an official debate against me?
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9/29/2016 6:59:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/29/2016 6:04:32 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.

What crimes?

If you had read through this thread, you wouldn't ask that question.
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9/29/2016 8:19:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/29/2016 6:13:47 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/26/2016 9:59:05 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/23/2016 9:39:46 PM, Harikrish wrote:
The Jews threatened to stone Jesus on several occasions for his blasphemous claims, but they let him get away hoping he would stop.

Or because they didn"t have the right to kill him as this scripture tells:

Pilate therefore said to them, "Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law." Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"
John 18:31

So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

Would you be willing to take this stance in an official debate against me?

We can debate the points right here on this thread. I am not into formal debating and have no interest in subjecting myself to the opinions of others. You can see I have not participated in any formal debates and have no wish to change.
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9/29/2016 8:23:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/29/2016 8:19:13 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:13:47 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/26/2016 9:59:05 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/23/2016 9:39:46 PM, Harikrish wrote:
The Jews threatened to stone Jesus on several occasions for his blasphemous claims, but they let him get away hoping he would stop.

Or because they didn"t have the right to kill him as this scripture tells:

Pilate therefore said to them, "Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law." Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"
John 18:31

So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

Would you be willing to take this stance in an official debate against me?

We can debate the points right here on this thread. I am not into formal debating and have no interest in subjecting myself to the opinions of others. You can see I have not participated in any formal debates and have no wish to change.

Is that because your words are constantly changing? You used to pretend to be Christian, but now you're officially calling Jesus a liar. Still preparing for your third reincarnation it seems.
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9/29/2016 8:50:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/29/2016 8:23:52 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 9/29/2016 8:19:13 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:13:47 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/26/2016 9:59:05 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/23/2016 9:39:46 PM, Harikrish wrote:
The Jews threatened to stone Jesus on several occasions for his blasphemous claims, but they let him get away hoping he would stop.

Or because they didn"t have the right to kill him as this scripture tells:

Pilate therefore said to them, "Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law." Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"
John 18:31

So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

Would you be willing to take this stance in an official debate against me?

We can debate the points right here on this thread. I am not into formal debating and have no interest in subjecting myself to the opinions of others. You can see I have not participated in any formal debates and have no wish to change.

Is that because your words are constantly changing? You used to pretend to be Christian, but now you're officially calling Jesus a liar. Still preparing for your third reincarnation it seems.

I am only sharing what is being revealed to me from the reading of scriptures.
I articulate my points and back it up with relevant scriptures, citations, studies, historical perspectives and my training in the reading of esoteric scriptures.

i am a Vedantist raised in the Vedantic tradition a Hindu by birth. I was trained in the reading of esoteric scriptures, Christian Theology and Iskamic fundamentalism who also happens to be the most spiritual member on DDO. And yes I am on my third stage of enlightenment. I welcome all to embrace the abundance of my Aura.

Beginning with scriptural evidence that proves Jesus was a lunatic, we can then list the lies that followed.

John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?"

Mark 3:21 when his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."

Jesus was deluded and believed God spoke through him.
John 12:49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

But when the people listened to the words he spoke they did not understand him, even his disciples struggled to understand him. Jesus had to explain to them in secret what he was saying in his parables. But he explained with more parables which suggests God was also incoherent and inarticulate and failed to communicate through Jesus. But we know God turned Moses who was slow in speech and mind into a leader and messenger. The problem was Jesus not God.

Mark 4:34 He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything.

Jesus was a notorious liar. Even John the Baptist expressed his doubts to Jesus and asked Jesus if he was really the promised one.
Jesus lied when he said John the Baptist was Elijah. John denied he was Elijah.

Here are the scriptures to back my claims. Jesus said John was Elijah, John denies he is Elijah.

Matthew 11:14
And if you are willing to accept what I say, he is Elijah, the one the prophets said would come.

In John 1:6"8 and John 1:19"28, John the Baptist denies he is Elijah. Yet in Matthew 17:9"13, Jesus implies that he was. Isn't this a contradiction?

John 1:21"They asked him, "Then who are you? Are you Elijah?"
He said, "I am not."
"Are you the Prophet?"
He answered, "No."

John expresses doubts Jesus is the promised one.
Matthew 11:2"When John, who was in prison, heard about the deeds of the Messiah, he sent his disciples 3"to ask him, "Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?"

Jesus expresses his own doubts on the cross.

Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").

We know Jesus was crucified for his blasphemous lies.
Jesus did not fulfill any prophesies. By his own account he did not come to change the laws of the prophets. He proved he was subjected to the laws even in his life and thereby validating the Mosaic law given to the Jews by God.
According to the Jewish law:
Deuteronomy 18:20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death."

It is clear Jesus did not fulfill the prophesies. Instead, He was subjected to the law and put to death as demanded of false prophets according to Mosaic law.

Jesus lied that he was to be sacrificed.

Human sacrifice was forbidden by God. So Jesus was not sacrificed.

Many argue Jesus's death was prophesied. But even Jesus's prophesies were not fulfilled.

1. Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Jesus never fulfilled that promise.

2. Matthew 24:34
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

2000 years have passed and many generation have gone by yet his promise remains unfulfilled.

Jesus was a liar and a lunatic before and after his death. Unfortunately he could only be crucified once.

So why are Christians turning God into a liar and lunatic or turning a liar and lunatic into a God?

As a Vedantist raised in the Vedantuc tradition and trained in the reading of esoteric scriptures, Christian Theology and Islamic fundamentalist, I am not at liberty to speculate outside of scriptures. And the scriptures are clear that Jesus was tried, convicted and put to death for his blasphemous lies and lunacy.

So why are Christians perpetrating the delusions of a Jewish rabbi who was put to death for his delusional blasphemous lies?

We have to turn to our experts in tbe field of human behaviour. As a student of the behavioural sciences (CBT) I have also explored a diagnostic approach.

Kathleen Taylor, Neuroscientist, Says Religious Fundamentalism Could Be Treated As A Mental Illness.

Link to the thread,

Was Jesus a liar and lunatic?
http://www.debate.org...
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9/29/2016 9:14:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/29/2016 8:50:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/29/2016 8:23:52 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 9/29/2016 8:19:13 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:13:47 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/26/2016 9:59:05 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/23/2016 9:39:46 PM, Harikrish wrote:
The Jews threatened to stone Jesus on several occasions for his blasphemous claims, but they let him get away hoping he would stop.

Or because they didn"t have the right to kill him as this scripture tells:

Pilate therefore said to them, "Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law." Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"
John 18:31

So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

Would you be willing to take this stance in an official debate against me?

We can debate the points right here on this thread. I am not into formal debating and have no interest in subjecting myself to the opinions of others. You can see I have not participated in any formal debates and have no wish to change.

Is that because your words are constantly changing? You used to pretend to be Christian, but now you're officially calling Jesus a liar. Still preparing for your third reincarnation it seems.

I am only sharing what is being revealed to me from the reading of scriptures.
I articulate my points and back it up with relevant scriptures, citations, studies, historical perspectives and my training in the reading of esoteric scriptures.

i am a Vedantist raised in the Vedantic tradition a Hindu by birth. I was trained in the reading of esoteric scriptures, Christian Theology and Iskamic fundamentalism who also happens to be the most spiritual member on DDO. And yes I am on my third stage of enlightenment. I welcome all to embrace the abundance of my Aura.

Beginning with scriptural evidence that proves Jesus was a lunatic, we can then list the lies that followed.

John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?"

Mark 3:21 when his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."

Jesus was deluded and believed God spoke through him.
John 12:49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

But when the people listened to the words he spoke they did not understand him, even his disciples struggled to understand him. Jesus had to explain to them in secret what he was saying in his parables. But he explained with more parables which suggests God was also incoherent and inarticulate and failed to communicate through Jesus. But we know God turned Moses who was slow in speech and mind into a leader and messenger. The problem was Jesus not God.

Mark 4:34 He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything.

Jesus was a notorious liar. Even John the Baptist expressed his doubts to Jesus and asked Jesus if he was really the promised one.
Jesus lied when he said John the Baptist was Elijah. John denied he was Elijah.

Here are the scriptures to back my claims. Jesus said John was Elijah, John denies he is Elijah.

Matthew 11:14
And if you are willing to accept what I say, he is Elijah, the one the prophets said would come.

In John 1:6"8 and John 1:19"28, John the Baptist denies he is Elijah. Yet in Matthew 17:9"13, Jesus implies that he was. Isn't this a contradiction?

John 1:21"They asked him, "Then who are you? Are you Elijah?"
He said, "I am not."
"Are you the Prophet?"
He answered, "No."

John expresses doubts Jesus is the promised one.
Matthew 11:2"When John, who was in prison, heard about the deeds of the Messiah, he sent his disciples 3"to ask him, "Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?"

Jesus expresses his own doubts on the cross.

Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").

We know Jesus was crucified for his blasphemous lies.
Jesus did not fulfill any prophesies. By his own account he did not come to change the laws of the prophets. He proved he was subjected to the laws even in his life and thereby validating the Mosaic law given to the Jews by God.
According to the Jewish law:
Deuteronomy 18:20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death."

It is clear Jesus did not fulfill the prophesies. Instead, He was subjected to the law and put to death as demanded of false prophets according to Mosaic law.

Jesus lied that he was to be sacrificed.

Human sacrifice was forbidden by God. So Jesus was not sacrificed.

Many argue Jesus's death was prophesied. But even Jesus's prophesies were not fulfilled.

1. Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Jesus never fulfilled that promise.

2. Matthew 24:34
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

2000 years have passed and many generation have gone by yet his promise remains unfulfilled.

Jesus was a liar and a lunatic before and after his death. Unfortunately he could only be crucified once.

So why are Christians turning God into a liar and lunatic or turning a liar and lunatic into a God?

As a Vedantist raised in the Vedantuc tradition and trained in the reading of esoteric scriptures, Christian Theology and Islamic fundamentalist, I am not at liberty to speculate outside of scriptures. And the scriptures are clear that Jesus was tried, convicted and put to death for his blasphemous lies and lunacy.

So why are Christians perpetrating the delusions of a Jewish rabbi who was put to death for his delusional blasphemous lies?

We have to turn to our experts in tbe field of human behaviour. As a student of the behavioural sciences (CBT) I have also explored a diagnostic approach.

Kathleen Taylor, Neuroscientist, Says Religious Fundamentalism Could Be Treated As A Mental Illness.

Link to the thread,

Was Jesus a liar and lunatic?
http://www.debate.org...

Wow. You've finally hit rock bottom. Just an example. When Jesus said he was going to be sacrificed, He didn't mean literally a human sacrifice, He meant sacrificed by Judis, on one level. That level in itself has levels if you've read the Book of Judis. On another level the sacrifice was for humanity. Jesus knew He was going to die at the beckoning of the the Jews, so He could have ran. Instead Jesus chose to stay to fulfill His fate. That was the sacrifice. You would have ran. You would have ran like a coward. Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for petty cowards like you that have no appreciation for what real heroes have accomplished. You're a disgrace. You're a liar. You claimed to be an officially trained theologian, but you're not. You claimed to be preparing for a third reincarnation, and in ways unseen to you, you are. You've told a lot of lies. Jesus was not a liar. So, just to be clear, you are no longer officially pretending to be Christian? Let's pull posts from things you've said over the years. Liar.
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9/29/2016 9:40:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/29/2016 9:14:33 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 9/29/2016 8:50:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/29/2016 8:23:52 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 9/29/2016 8:19:13 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:13:47 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 9/28/2016 2:26:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/26/2016 9:59:05 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/23/2016 9:39:46 PM, Harikrish wrote:
The Jews threatened to stone Jesus on several occasions for his blasphemous claims, but they let him get away hoping he would stop.

Or because they didn"t have the right to kill him as this scripture tells:

Pilate therefore said to them, "Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law." Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"
John 18:31

So the Jews were innocent because they were subject to Roman law and lacked any authority to put anyone to death.

Would you be willing to take this stance in an official debate against me?

We can debate the points right here on this thread. I am not into formal debating and have no interest in subjecting myself to the opinions of others. You can see I have not participated in any formal debates and have no wish to change.

Is that because your words are constantly changing? You used to pretend to be Christian, but now you're officially calling Jesus a liar. Still preparing for your third reincarnation it seems.

I am only sharing what is being revealed to me from the reading of scriptures.
I articulate my points and back it up with relevant scriptures, citations, studies, historical perspectives and my training in the reading of esoteric scriptures.

i am a Vedantist raised in the Vedantic tradition a Hindu by birth. I was trained in the reading of esoteric scriptures, Christian Theology and Iskamic fundamentalism who also happens to be the most spiritual member on DDO. And yes I am on my third stage of enlightenment. I welcome all to embrace the abundance of my Aura.

Beginning with scriptural evidence that proves Jesus was a lunatic, we can then list the lies that followed.

John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?"

Mark 3:21 when his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."

Jesus was deluded and believed God spoke through him.
John 12:49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

But when the people listened to the words he spoke they did not understand him, even his disciples struggled to understand him. Jesus had to explain to them in secret what he was saying in his parables. But he explained with more parables which suggests God was also incoherent and inarticulate and failed to communicate through Jesus. But we know God turned Moses who was slow in speech and mind into a leader and messenger. The problem was Jesus not God.

Mark 4:34 He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything.

Jesus was a notorious liar. Even John the Baptist expressed his doubts to Jesus and asked Jesus if he was really the promised one.
Jesus lied when he said John the Baptist was Elijah. John denied he was Elijah.

Here are the scriptures to back my claims. Jesus said John was Elijah, John denies he is Elijah.

Matthew 11:14
And if you are willing to accept what I say, he is Elijah, the one the prophets said would come.

In John 1:6"8 and John 1:19"28, John the Baptist denies he is Elijah. Yet in Matthew 17:9"13, Jesus implies that he was. Isn't this a contradiction?

John 1:21"They asked him, "Then who are you? Are you Elijah?"
He said, "I am not."
"Are you the Prophet?"
He answered, "No."

John expresses doubts Jesus is the promised one.
Matthew 11:2"When John, who was in prison, heard about the deeds of the Messiah, he sent his disciples 3"to ask him, "Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?"

Jesus expresses his own doubts on the cross.

Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").

We know Jesus was crucified for his blasphemous lies.
Jesus did not fulfill any prophesies. By his own account he did not come to change the laws of the prophets. He proved he was subjected to the laws even in his life and thereby validating the Mosaic law given to the Jews by God.
According to the Jewish law:
Deuteronomy 18:20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death."

It is clear Jesus did not fulfill the prophesies. Instead, He was subjected to the law and put to death as demanded of false prophets according to Mosaic law.

Jesus lied that he was to be sacrificed.

Human sacrifice was forbidden by God. So Jesus was not sacrificed.

Many argue Jesus's death was prophesied. But even Jesus's prophesies were not fulfilled.

1. Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Jesus never fulfilled that promise.

2. Matthew 24:34
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

2000 years have passed and many generation have gone by yet his promise remains unfulfilled.

Jesus was a liar and a lunatic before and after his death. Unfortunately he could only be crucified once.

So why are Christians turning God into a liar and lunatic or turning a liar and lunatic into a God?

As a Vedantist raised in the Vedantuc tradition and trained in the reading of esoteric scriptures, Christian Theology and Islamic fundamentalist, I am not at liberty to speculate outside of scriptures. And the scriptures are clear that Jesus was tried, convicted and put to death for his blasphemous lies and lunacy.

So why are Christians perpetrating the delusions of a Jewish rabbi who was put to death for his delusional blasphemous lies?

We have to turn to our experts in tbe field of human behaviour. As a student of the behavioural sciences (CBT) I have also explored a diagnostic approach.

Kathleen Taylor, Neuroscientist, Says Religious Fundamentalism Could Be Treated As A Mental Illness.

Link to the thread,

Was Jesus a liar and lunatic?
http://www.debate.org...

Wow. You've finally hit rock bottom. Just an example. When Jesus said he was going to be sacrificed, He didn't mean literally a human sacrifice, He meant sacrificed by Judis, on one level. That level in itself has levels if you've read the Book of Judis. On another level the sacrifice was for humanity. Jesus knew He was going to die at the beckoning of the the Jews, so He could have ran. Instead Jesus chose to stay to fulfill His fate. That was the sacrifice. You would have ran. You would have ran like a coward. Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice.

jesus was not sacrificed he was crucified. God was against any forms of human sacrifice. Sacrificial offerings had to be made in the temple, Jesus was crucified in a public area by Romans.
Luke 23:21 But they kept shouting, "Crucify him! Crucify him!"
Not, sacrifice him! , sacrifice hiim! Jesus was crucified.
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9/30/2016 6:43:01 PM
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At 9/29/2016 6:59:07 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:04:32 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.

What crimes?

If you had read through this thread, you wouldn't ask that question.

If we speak about what the Bible tells, Jesus didn"t break any real Roman law. And here has not been said any real Roman law that Jesus break. By what the Bible tells, the judge didn"t find any lawful reason for the judgment. So your accusation must be based on some other information, which seems to be quite baseless.
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10/4/2016 1:18:03 PM
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At 9/30/2016 6:43:01 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:59:07 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/29/2016 6:04:32 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.

What crimes?

If you had read through this thread, you wouldn't ask that question.

If we speak about what the Bible tells, Jesus didn"t break any real Roman law. And here has not been said any real Roman law that Jesus break. By what the Bible tells, the judge didn"t find any lawful reason for the judgment. So your accusation must be based on some other information, which seems to be quite baseless.

Jesus did not break any Roman law because he was failing the Jews he was sent to save and not the Romans. Jesus was oblivious of the Roman occupation, he did not attack them for descrecreating and looting the temple or for their pagan beliefs. He openly said he was sent to save the children of Israel. But that is just more evidence Jesus was disconnected and was not addressing the main poblem which was Roman occupation of the Jewish homeland. His mistake proved fatal. The Romans destroyed the Jewish temple, destroyed Jerusalem and slaughtered the Jewish people
Jesus spent his entire mission berating the Jews and failing to recognize the real enemy was the Romans. Jesus was not very bright besides being a liar and a lunatic.
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10/4/2016 8:44:41 PM
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At 10/4/2016 1:18:03 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.
Jesus did not break any Roman law

Nice, you disagree with DanneJeRusse. :)

... But that is just more evidence Jesus was disconnected and was not addressing the main poblem which was Roman occupation of the Jewish homeland.

Actually in Biblical point of view that is not true. It was the unrighteousness of Jews that was the problem. If they would have accepted forgiveness and repented, things would have gone differently.

Jesus spent his entire mission berating the Jews and failing to recognize the real enemy was the Romans. Jesus was not very bright besides being a liar and a lunatic.

Romans were not the real enemy, they are nowadays nonexistent, but Jews still live, so it was not any problem really. :)
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10/4/2016 8:57:49 PM
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At 10/4/2016 8:44:41 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 10/4/2016 1:18:03 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 9/28/2016 9:18:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
No, it was Jesus crimes against the Roman state.
Jesus did not break any Roman law

Nice, you disagree with DanneJeRusse. :)

... But that is just more evidence Jesus was disconnected and was not addressing the main poblem which was Roman occupation of the Jewish homeland.

Actually in Biblical point of view that is not true. It was the unrighteousness of Jews that was the problem. If they would have accepted forgiveness and repented, things would have gone differently.

Jesus spent his entire mission berating the Jews and failing to recognize the real enemy was the Romans. Jesus was not very bright besides being a liar and a lunatic.

Romans were not the real enemy, they are nowadays nonexistent, but Jews still live, so it was not any problem really. :)

God realized he had made a permanent Davidic covenant with the Jews and could not let the Romans escape judgement for destroying the temple and slaughtering the children of Israel. He finally punished the Romans to reduce them to their current state. Meanwhile Israel is the 8th most powerful nation in the world.
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10/20/2016 1:21:08 PM
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This is a response to PGA aka Peter who quotes Jesus calling this generation prophet killers. The generation Jesus was addressing were 500 years removed from last prophet Malachi who died a natural death.

Preterism is a minority view. You cannot provide any evidence for you views because they are only interpretations of scriptures using word associations to present the absurd. You spent all your life studying the scriptures only to discover jesus was a failure of the cross. Jesus himself admitted he did not feel he was part of this world. His was a spiritual kingdom. The Romans packed and sent him to his world. He promised to return. Why?
Preterist say he returned to see the destruction of the Temple and the slaughter of the Jewish people in 70 AD because the Jews killed their prophets. But the last prophet to die was Malachi. He died 500 years before Jesus arrived. Malachi was born after the return of the people, and because of his beauty he was surnamed 'Angel.' He died in peace in his own land.
Several generations of the OT people had passed between the time of Malachi and Jesus. The generation Jesus was addressing were innocent of any prophet killing for 500 years. Yet Jesus blindly and ignorantly condemned them.
Jesus then wondered at the cross why he was alone with his delusion and messianic aspirations. He cried out on the cross.
Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").

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