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11/26/2016 3:52:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/26/2016 2:35:49 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:37:01 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 11/26/2016 6:26:08 AM, lightseeker wrote:
At 11/25/2016 6:18:02 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Continued from previous post.

The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others.

What is thighing....explained.

According to the fatwa, the prophet Muhammad could not have sex with his fianc"e, Aisha when she was six due to her small size and age. However, the fatwa said that at age six, he would put his penis between her thighs and massage it gently because he did not want to harm her. Imagine a man of fifty-one removing the clothes of a six-year-old girl and slipping his erect penis between her thighs, rubbing her until he ejaculated and his semen ran down her thighs. To this day, this is considered a benevolent act on the part of the adult male "not wanting to harm her." What harm could be inflicted upon a young girl mentally and emotionally if not a grown man showing her his penis and stripping her of her clothes and rubbing his male organ between her legs? Of course the twisted mind that does such an evil to a female child, would not hesitate to ejaculate on her body. And if this sexually perverted evil frame of mind committed such an act upon a child, the pedophile would not stop at ejaculating on her. His evil desire would go further and rape the child before she was a mature adult. This is exactly what Muhammad did to Aisha when she was yet a child of nine. Before she reached puberty, he began to have sex with her. Let us see what the fatwa said about the prophet of Islam and his child-bride, Aisha."Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet. After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwas (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shamari, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421(Islamic calendar). The inquirer asked the following:"It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufakhathat of the children (mufakhathat literally translated means "placing between the thighs of children" which means placing the male erected penis between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayers of Allah be upon him, also practiced the "thighing" of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be pleased with her?"After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply: "It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kofar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the Prophet, peace and prayers of Allah be upon him, thighing his fianc"e Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why the prophet peace and prayers of Allah be upon him placed his penis between her thighs and massaged it lightly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his penis not like other believers"" (Fatwa No. 31409).Thighing of children is practiced in many Arab and Muslim countries, notably in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, and the Gulf countries. These countries are notoriously known for this evil practice. There are many more such evil practices like altamatu"a bil almufakhaza (pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs), altamatu"a bil almuka"aba (pleasure from sexual contact with her breasts), altamatu"a bil alsagirah (pleasure from sexual contact with a baby girl), altamatu"a bil alradi"ah, (pleasure from sexual contact with a suckling female infant), (Reported by Baharini Women"s Rights Activist, Ghada Jamshir). These are all different styles practiced on the female child by placing the male erected penis in different parts of the child"s body for getting sexual pleasure.

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facebook?!!
after Muhammd (pbuh), a lot of people started forging Hadith. many of those were working for Muavieh who had sworn to wipe the name of Muhammad and Islam from history.
so, when you read something in a book, you should also trace it's narrators.
also, the link I provided is enough to show that Aisha was around 19 when she married Muhammad.
https://controversialislam.wordpress.com...
and it wasn't Muhammad who wanted to marry her, the proposal was done by Aisha and his father and Muhammad simply accepted to teach Muslims that marriage shouldn't be made too hard.

The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others. marriage could have come later. But the prophets masturbation was achieved by thighing Aisha when she was too young fir sex. It is as the article said still practiced by Arab Muslims.

masturbation is a great sin in Islam and prophet Muhammad always followed his teachings (unlike the image of Jesus who've made in Bible, who didn't even care about his own principles).
I don't know why would Christians even care about a God who is ignorant, drunk, weak and envious ?!

you guys are very gullible and you've been deceived by that Jewish Paul the whole time!

And, you've been deceived by Muhammad the whole time. See how that works?

and you barking something over and over again about our prophet, doesn't make it real.

but if you really believe in your heart that prophet Muhammad was an evil man, just ask God for your death (since you think of yourself as good and righteous and therefor you're gonna have a great afterlife with Jesus right?)

Hitler's evil lasted a couple decades, at best. Muhammad's evil has spanned 14 centuries with the result being a cesspool of uncivilized, misogynist barbarians.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
There would be peace if you obeyed us.~Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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11/26/2016 4:23:08 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/26/2016 2:35:49 PM, lightseeker wrote:
At 11/26/2016 11:37:01 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 11/26/2016 6:26:08 AM, lightseeker wrote:
At 11/25/2016 6:18:02 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Continued from previous post.

The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others.

What is thighing....explained.

According to the fatwa, the prophet Muhammad could not have sex with his fianc"e, Aisha when she was six due to her small size and age. However, the fatwa said that at age six, he would put his penis between her thighs and massage it gently because he did not want to harm her. Imagine a man of fifty-one removing the clothes of a six-year-old girl and slipping his erect penis between her thighs, rubbing her until he ejaculated and his semen ran down her thighs. To this day, this is considered a benevolent act on the part of the adult male "not wanting to harm her." What harm could be inflicted upon a young girl mentally and emotionally if not a grown man showing her his penis and stripping her of her clothes and rubbing his male organ between her legs? Of course the twisted mind that does such an evil to a female child, would not hesitate to ejaculate on her body. And if this sexually perverted evil frame of mind committed such an act upon a child, the pedophile would not stop at ejaculating on her. His evil desire would go further and rape the child before she was a mature adult. This is exactly what Muhammad did to Aisha when she was yet a child of nine. Before she reached puberty, he began to have sex with her. Let us see what the fatwa said about the prophet of Islam and his child-bride, Aisha."Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet. After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwas (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shamari, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421(Islamic calendar). The inquirer asked the following:"It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufakhathat of the children (mufakhathat literally translated means "placing between the thighs of children" which means placing the male erected penis between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayers of Allah be upon him, also practiced the "thighing" of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be pleased with her?"After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply: "It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kofar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the Prophet, peace and prayers of Allah be upon him, thighing his fianc"e Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why the prophet peace and prayers of Allah be upon him placed his penis between her thighs and massaged it lightly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his penis not like other believers"" (Fatwa No. 31409).Thighing of children is practiced in many Arab and Muslim countries, notably in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, and the Gulf countries. These countries are notoriously known for this evil practice. There are many more such evil practices like altamatu"a bil almufakhaza (pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs), altamatu"a bil almuka"aba (pleasure from sexual contact with her breasts), altamatu"a bil alsagirah (pleasure from sexual contact with a baby girl), altamatu"a bil alradi"ah, (pleasure from sexual contact with a suckling female infant), (Reported by Baharini Women"s Rights Activist, Ghada Jamshir). These are all different styles practiced on the female child by placing the male erected penis in different parts of the child"s body for getting sexual pleasure.

https://www.facebook.com...

facebook?!!
after Muhammd (pbuh), a lot of people started forging Hadith. many of those were working for Muavieh who had sworn to wipe the name of Muhammad and Islam from history.
so, when you read something in a book, you should also trace it's narrators.
also, the link I provided is enough to show that Aisha was around 19 when she married Muhammad.
https://controversialislam.wordpress.com...
and it wasn't Muhammad who wanted to marry her, the proposal was done by Aisha and his father and Muhammad simply accepted to teach Muslims that marriage shouldn't be made too hard.

The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others. marriage could have come later. But the prophets masturbation was achieved by thighing Aisha when she was too young fir sex. It is as the article said still practiced by Arab Muslims.

masturbation is a great sin in Islam and prophet Muhammad always followed his teachings (unlike the image of Jesus who've made in Bible, who didn't even care about his own principles).
I don't know why would Christians even care about a God who is ignorant, drunk, weak and envious ?!

you guys are very gullible and you've been deceived by that Jewish Paul the whole time!

and you barking something over and over again about our prophet, doesn't make it real.

but if you really believe in your heart that prophet Muhammad was an evil man, just ask God for your death (since you think of yourself as good and righteous and therefor you're gonna have a great afterlife with Jesus right?)

All I am saying is : The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others. marriage could have come later. But the prophets masturbation was achieved by thighing Aisha when she was too young fir sex. It is as the article said still practiced by Arab Muslims.

Thighing of Children.
Mohammed married Ayesha when she was six, but as she was too small to consumate, he practised the sacred rite of Mufa' Khathat (otherwise known as 'thighing') whereby he rubbed himself between the tops of her thighs, but did not enter, until she was nine.

When he climaxed at the end of his thighing sessions, he came all over his clothes, so he gave little Ayesha the job of washing them.

From Bukhari

231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

232:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

233:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

What a nice job for a little girl!

Following the Perfect example from the Perfect Man
Now since Mohammed is 'the perfect man' and role model for all Muslims, he set a precedent which allows all Muslim men to perform Mufa'Khathat on children younger than nine, and to have full sex from nine onwards.
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11/26/2016 5:11:17 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
after Muhammd (pbuh), a lot of people started forging Hadith. many of those were working for Muavieh who had sworn to wipe the name of Muhammad and Islam from history.
so, when you read something in a book, you should also trace it's narrators.
also, the link I provided is enough to show that Aisha was around 19 when she married Muhammad.
https://controversialislam.wordpress.com...
and it wasn't Muhammad who wanted to marry her, the proposal was done by Aisha and his father and Muhammad simply accepted to teach Muslims that marriage shouldn't be made too hard.

The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others. marriage could have come later. But the prophets masturbation was achieved by thighing Aisha when she was too young fir sex. It is as the article said still practiced by Arab Muslims.

masturbation is a great sin in Islam and prophet Muhammad always followed his teachings (unlike the image of Jesus who've made in Bible, who didn't even care about his own principles).
I don't know why would Christians even care about a God who is ignorant, drunk, weak and envious ?!

you guys are very gullible and you've been deceived by that Jewish Paul the whole time!

and you barking something over and over again about our prophet, doesn't make it real.

but if you really believe in your heart that prophet Muhammad was an evil man, just ask God for your death (since you think of yourself as good and righteous and therefor you're gonna have a great afterlife with Jesus right?)

All I am saying is : The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others. marriage could have come later. But the prophets masturbation was achieved by thighing Aisha when she was too young fir sex. It is as the article said still practiced by Arab Muslims.

Thighing of Children.
Mohammed married Ayesha when she was six, but as she was too small to consumate, he practised the sacred rite of Mufa' Khathat (otherwise known as 'thighing') whereby he rubbed himself between the tops of her thighs, but did not enter, until she was nine.

When he climaxed at the end of his thighing sessions, he came all over his clothes, so he gave little Ayesha the job of washing them.


From Bukhari

231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

232:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

233:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

What a nice job for a little girl!


Following the Perfect example from the Perfect Man
Now since Mohammed is 'the perfect man' and role model for all Muslims, he set a precedent which allows all Muslim men to perform Mufa'Khathat on children younger than nine, and to have full sex from nine onwards.

oh boy.
as I said before, not all Hadith are authentic.
and Aisha herself is not recognized as an authentic source of Hadith, since after Muhammad, he rebelled against Ali and caused the death of a lot of Muslims.
if you want some legit source of Hadith, you should be able to trace all the narrators back to the first ones, and they should all be acceptable sources.
there is actually a scientific study of all those who narrated Hadith, called al-Rijal.
but as a general rule, if a Hadith is not logical, then it's not authentic.
if you want Authentic source of Hadith, use acceptable sources like Kafi

and if you are really a religious man and believe in God, understand that we believe in God (and our belief is way more logical and coherent that yours) and all the prophets (and our belief in them is actually way more pure than yours) and in death, and in afterlife, and in heaven and hell, and in judgement day.

and these pure beliefs can't come from a person who himself was corrupt.
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11/26/2016 5:44:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/26/2016 5:11:17 PM, lightseeker wrote:

oh boy.
as I said before, not all Hadith are authentic.

Hence, all Hadiths are questionable as to their authenticity, which still doesn't mean anything, one way or the other/

and Aisha herself is not recognized as an authentic source of Hadith, since after Muhammad, he rebelled against Ali and caused the death of a lot of Muslims.
if you want some legit source of Hadith, you should be able to trace all the narrators back to the first ones, and they should all be acceptable sources.
there is actually a scientific study of all those who narrated Hadith, called al-Rijal.
but as a general rule, if a Hadith is not logical, then it's not authentic.

Why should anyone care if Hadiths are authentic or not, it doesn't mean anything, it offers nothing of value to the claims of Islam, which offer nothing of value to begin with.
if you want Authentic source of Hadith, use acceptable sources like Kafi

and if you are really a religious man and believe in God, understand that we believe in God (and our belief is way more logical and coherent that yours)

LOL. Sorry, but behaving like small children with an invisible friend is antithetical to logic.

and all the prophets (and our belief in them is actually way more pure than yours) and in death, and in afterlife, and in heaven and hell, and in judgement day.

Those are just irrational fantasies.

and these pure beliefs can't come from a person who himself was corrupt.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
There would be peace if you obeyed us.~Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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11/26/2016 7:48:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/14/2016 1:16:24 PM, Harikrish wrote:
We know that jesus made wine from water. We know Jesus and his disciples drank alcohol at their gatherings. We know Jesus made wine from water liberally for other occasions. Is there any account that shows Jesus was drunk from drinking all that wine? We know sooner or later alcohol catches up with the drinker.

We have an account in the bible where Jesus was so drunk he fell and stumbled and even asked that God take the wine cup away from him. That is the cry of an alcoholic seeking help.

Matthew 26:39 is often quoted at AA meetings to prove no one is immune from alcohol addiction, not even Jesus.

Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

This has got to be the most ridiculous contextual error i've ever seen. Matthew 26:39 has absolutely nothing to do with alcohol. The "cup" that Jesus would have taken from him was not a literal cup of wine. According to the text he was talking about the trial he was about to endure: his own crucifixion and death. He's begging god not to let him be arrested and killed if it be his will. I say this as a full fledged atheist. There are so many errors and problems in the Bible. You shouldn't have to reach this desperately for any of them.
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11/26/2016 8:38:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/26/2016 7:48:03 PM, bamiller43 wrote:
At 11/14/2016 1:16:24 PM, Harikrish wrote:
We know that jesus made wine from water. We know Jesus and his disciples drank alcohol at their gatherings. We know Jesus made wine from water liberally for other occasions. Is there any account that shows Jesus was drunk from drinking all that wine? We know sooner or later alcohol catches up with the drinker.

We have an account in the bible where Jesus was so drunk he fell and stumbled and even asked that God take the wine cup away from him. That is the cry of an alcoholic seeking help.

Matthew 26:39 is often quoted at AA meetings to prove no one is immune from alcohol addiction, not even Jesus.

Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

This has got to be the most ridiculous contextual error i've ever seen. Matthew 26:39 has absolutely nothing to do with alcohol. The "cup" that Jesus would have taken from him was not a literal cup of wine. According to the text he was talking about the trial he was about to endure: his own crucifixion and death. He's begging god not to let him be arrested and killed if it be his will. I say this as a full fledged atheist. There are so many errors and problems in the Bible. You shouldn't have to reach this desperately for any of them.

It would be the most ridiculous thing to associate a cup with a trial, crucifixion or even death. As the evening began, after Jesus and His disciples had celebrated the Passover, they came to the garden. At some point, Jesus took three of them"Peter, James and John" to a place separated from the rest. Here Jesus asked them to watch with Him and pray so they would not fall into temptation (Matthew 26:41), but they fell asleep. Twice, Jesus had to wake them and remind them to pray so that they would not fall into temptation. Could the trial, crucifixion or death be the temptation Jesus was associating with the cup. What is so tempting about them?
Jesus was praying to stop the temptation of alcohol that he and his disciples were addicted to after he started turning water into wine. Read again, no trial, cross, crucifixion or death is mentioned in Jesus's prayer, only a plea to God to take the wine cup away from him.

Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
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11/26/2016 8:45:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/26/2016 5:11:17 PM, lightseeker wrote:
after Muhammd (pbuh), a lot of people started forging Hadith. many of those were working for Muavieh who had sworn to wipe the name of Muhammad and Islam from history.
so, when you read something in a book, you should also trace it's narrators.
also, the link I provided is enough to show that Aisha was around 19 when she married Muhammad.
https://controversialislam.wordpress.com...
and it wasn't Muhammad who wanted to marry her, the proposal was done by Aisha and his father and Muhammad simply accepted to teach Muslims that marriage shouldn't be made too hard.

The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others. marriage could have come later. But the prophets masturbation was achieved by thighing Aisha when she was too young fir sex. It is as the article said still practiced by Arab Muslims.

masturbation is a great sin in Islam and prophet Muhammad always followed his teachings (unlike the image of Jesus who've made in Bible, who didn't even care about his own principles).
I don't know why would Christians even care about a God who is ignorant, drunk, weak and envious ?!

you guys are very gullible and you've been deceived by that Jewish Paul the whole time!

and you barking something over and over again about our prophet, doesn't make it real.

but if you really believe in your heart that prophet Muhammad was an evil man, just ask God for your death (since you think of yourself as good and righteous and therefor you're gonna have a great afterlife with Jesus right?)

All I am saying is : The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others. marriage could have come later. But the prophets masturbation was achieved by thighing Aisha when she was too young fir sex. It is as the article said still practiced by Arab Muslims.

Thighing of Children.
Mohammed married Ayesha when she was six, but as she was too small to consumate, he practised the sacred rite of Mufa' Khathat (otherwise known as 'thighing') whereby he rubbed himself between the tops of her thighs, but did not enter, until she was nine.

When he climaxed at the end of his thighing sessions, he came all over his clothes, so he gave little Ayesha the job of washing them.


From Bukhari

231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

232:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

233:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

What a nice job for a little girl!


Following the Perfect example from the Perfect Man
Now since Mohammed is 'the perfect man' and role model for all Muslims, he set a precedent which allows all Muslim men to perform Mufa'Khathat on children younger than nine, and to have full sex from nine onwards.

oh boy.
as I said before, not all Hadith are authentic.
and Aisha herself is not recognized as an authentic source of Hadith, since after Muhammad, he rebelled against Ali and caused the death of a lot of Muslims.
if you want some legit source of Hadith, you should be able to trace all the narrators back to the first ones, and they should all be acceptable sources.
there is actually a scientific study of all those who narrated Hadith, called al-Rijal.
but as a general rule, if a Hadith is not logical, then it's not authentic.
if you want Authentic source of Hadith, use acceptable sources like Kafi

and if you are really a religious man and believe in God, understand that we believe in God (and our belief is way more logical and coherent that yours) and all the prophets (and our belief in them is actually way more pure than yours) and in death, and in afterlife, and in heaven and hell, and in judgement day.

and these pure beliefs can't come from a person who himself was corrupt.

We are not here to chalkenge the validity of Hadiths.

All I am saying is : The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others. marriage could have come later. But the prophets masturbation was achieved by thighing Aisha when she was too young for sex. It is as the article said still practiced by Arab Muslims.
Semen was found on the prophets clothes which Aisha had to wash before he went to pray. The prophet was a sloppy masturbator according to Aisha..
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11/27/2016 7:21:48 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/26/2016 8:45:43 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 11/26/2016 5:11:17 PM, lightseeker wrote:
after Muhammd (pbuh), a lot of people started forging Hadith. many of those were working for Muavieh who had sworn to wipe the name of Muhammad and Islam from history.
so, when you read something in a book, you should also trace it's narrators.
also, the link I provided is enough to show that Aisha was around 19 when she married Muhammad.
https://controversialislam.wordpress.com...
and it wasn't Muhammad who wanted to marry her, the proposal was done by Aisha and his father and Muhammad simply accepted to teach Muslims that marriage shouldn't be made too hard.

The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others. marriage could have come later. But the prophets masturbation was achieved by thighing Aisha when she was too young fir sex. It is as the article said still practiced by Arab Muslims.

masturbation is a great sin in Islam and prophet Muhammad always followed his teachings (unlike the image of Jesus who've made in Bible, who didn't even care about his own principles).
I don't know why would Christians even care about a God who is ignorant, drunk, weak and envious ?!

you guys are very gullible and you've been deceived by that Jewish Paul the whole time!

and you barking something over and over again about our prophet, doesn't make it real.

but if you really believe in your heart that prophet Muhammad was an evil man, just ask God for your death (since you think of yourself as good and righteous and therefor you're gonna have a great afterlife with Jesus right?)

All I am saying is : The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others. marriage could have come later. But the prophets masturbation was achieved by thighing Aisha when she was too young fir sex. It is as the article said still practiced by Arab Muslims.

Thighing of Children.
Mohammed married Ayesha when she was six, but as she was too small to consumate, he practised the sacred rite of Mufa' Khathat (otherwise known as 'thighing') whereby he rubbed himself between the tops of her thighs, but did not enter, until she was nine.

When he climaxed at the end of his thighing sessions, he came all over his clothes, so he gave little Ayesha the job of washing them.


From Bukhari

231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

232:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

233:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

What a nice job for a little girl!


Following the Perfect example from the Perfect Man
Now since Mohammed is 'the perfect man' and role model for all Muslims, he set a precedent which allows all Muslim men to perform Mufa'Khathat on children younger than nine, and to have full sex from nine onwards.

oh boy.
as I said before, not all Hadith are authentic.
and Aisha herself is not recognized as an authentic source of Hadith, since after Muhammad, he rebelled against Ali and caused the death of a lot of Muslims.
if you want some legit source of Hadith, you should be able to trace all the narrators back to the first ones, and they should all be acceptable sources.
there is actually a scientific study of all those who narrated Hadith, called al-Rijal.
but as a general rule, if a Hadith is not logical, then it's not authentic.
if you want Authentic source of Hadith, use acceptable sources like Kafi

and if you are really a religious man and believe in God, understand that we believe in God (and our belief is way more logical and coherent that yours) and all the prophets (and our belief in them is actually way more pure than yours) and in death, and in afterlife, and in heaven and hell, and in judgement day.

and these pure beliefs can't come from a person who himself was corrupt.

We are not here to challenge the validity of Hadiths.

All I am saying is : The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others. marriage could have come later. But the prophets masturbation was achieved by thighing Aisha when she was too young for sex. It is as the article said still practiced by Arab Muslims.
Semen was found on the prophets clothes which Aisha had to wash before he went to pray. The prophet was a sloppy masturbator according to Aisha..

actually we're here to see whether Jesus was a drunk or not
and also I've shown that you guys have been deceived by Paul and all those who changed the bible to satisfy their own earthly desires.
and you're worshiping not God, but a weak, ignorant, jealous, and physical being.

also,
if you're saying things about Prophet Muhammad, then it's not like you've actually seen those things with your eyes, you're just referencing some things that you've read somewhere. and to use unauthentic sources and then say things with conviction, simply shows you're a fool (which at this point I really think you are _ just don't worry too much about it, you're just a fool like a whole bunch of other people in this forum)

so keep drinking wine and worshiping Jesus as God until you die and face the real God. then you better have your answers ready.
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11/27/2016 8:07:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/27/2016 7:21:48 AM, lightseeker wrote:
At 11/26/2016 8:45:43 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 11/26/2016 5:11:17 PM, lightseeker wrote:
after Muhammd (pbuh), a lot of people started forging Hadith. many of those were working for Muavieh who had sworn to wipe the name of Muhammad and Islam from history.
so, when you read something in a book, you should also trace it's narrators.
also, the link I provided is enough to show that Aisha was around 19 when she married Muhammad.
https://controversialislam.wordpress.com...
and it wasn't Muhammad who wanted to marry her, the proposal was done by Aisha and his father and Muhammad simply accepted to teach Muslims that marriage shouldn't be made too hard.

The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others. marriage could have come later. But the prophets masturbation was achieved by thighing Aisha when she was too young fir sex. It is as the article said still practiced by Arab Muslims.

masturbation is a great sin in Islam and prophet Muhammad always followed his teachings (unlike the image of Jesus who've made in Bible, who didn't even care about his own principles).
I don't know why would Christians even care about a God who is ignorant, drunk, weak and envious ?!

you guys are very gullible and you've been deceived by that Jewish Paul the whole time!

and you barking something over and over again about our prophet, doesn't make it real.

but if you really believe in your heart that prophet Muhammad was an evil man, just ask God for your death (since you think of yourself as good and righteous and therefor you're gonna have a great afterlife with Jesus right?)

All I am saying is : The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others. marriage could have come later. But the prophets masturbation was achieved by thighing Aisha when she was too young fir sex. It is as the article said still practiced by Arab Muslims.

Thighing of Children.
Mohammed married Ayesha when she was six, but as she was too small to consumate, he practised the sacred rite of Mufa' Khathat (otherwise known as 'thighing') whereby he rubbed himself between the tops of her thighs, but did not enter, until she was nine.

When he climaxed at the end of his thighing sessions, he came all over his clothes, so he gave little Ayesha the job of washing them.


From Bukhari

231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

232:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

233:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

What a nice job for a little girl!


Following the Perfect example from the Perfect Man
Now since Mohammed is 'the perfect man' and role model for all Muslims, he set a precedent which allows all Muslim men to perform Mufa'Khathat on children younger than nine, and to have full sex from nine onwards.

oh boy.
as I said before, not all Hadith are authentic.
and Aisha herself is not recognized as an authentic source of Hadith, since after Muhammad, he rebelled against Ali and caused the death of a lot of Muslims.
if you want some legit source of Hadith, you should be able to trace all the narrators back to the first ones, and they should all be acceptable sources.
there is actually a scientific study of all those who narrated Hadith, called al-Rijal.
but as a general rule, if a Hadith is not logical, then it's not authentic.
if you want Authentic source of Hadith, use acceptable sources like Kafi

and if you are really a religious man and believe in God, understand that we believe in God (and our belief is way more logical and coherent that yours) and all the prophets (and our belief in them is actually way more pure than yours) and in death, and in afterlife, and in heaven and hell, and in judgement day.

and these pure beliefs can't come from a person who himself was corrupt.

We are not here to challenge the validity of Hadiths.

All I am saying is : The prophet Mohammad was a masturbator. He practiced thighing on Aisha and others. marriage could have come later. But the prophets masturbation was achieved by thighing Aisha when she was too young for sex. It is as the article said still practiced by Arab Muslims.
Semen was found on the prophets clothes which Aisha had to wash before he went to pray. The prophet was a sloppy masturbator according to Aisha..

actually we're here to see whether Jesus was a drunk or not
and also I've shown that you guys have been deceived by Paul and all those who changed the bible to satisfy their own earthly desires.
and you're worshiping not God, but a weak, ignorant, jealous, and physical being.

also,
if you're saying things about Prophet Muhammad, then it's not like you've actually seen those things with your eyes, you're just referencing some things that you've read somewhere. and to use unauthentic sources and then say things with conviction, simply shows you're a fool (which at this point I really think you are _ just don't worry too much about it, you're just a fool like a whole bunch of other people in this forum)

so keep drinking wine and worshiping Jesus as God until you die and face the real God. then you better have your answers ready.

What the prophet Mohammad did to Aisha when she was only 6 is called 'thighing'. He set the example for other Muslims to follow. Just like Jesus made it ok to drink alcohol.
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11/27/2016 8:49:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/27/2016 7:21:48 AM, lightseeker wrote:

it's not like you've actually seen those things with your eyes...

And, you saw an angel speaking with Muhammad, Mr. Pot?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
There would be peace if you obeyed us.~Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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11/27/2016 10:23:25 PM
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If Jesus was a drunk, he sure as hell made a lot of damn sense. I know drunks who cannot put a string of words together in a coherent sentence.
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4/5/2018 3:07:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/27/2016 10:23:25 PM, Hiu wrote:
If Jesus was a drunk, he sure as hell made a lot of damn sense. I know drunks who cannot put a string of words together in a coherent sentence.

How many drunks do you know that needs help from God to take the cup away from them. Jesus was a serious alcohoic.

Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
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4/14/2018 5:29:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Evidence Jesus was an alcoholic.His covernant was with alcoholics.

Jesus made a covenant with the cup he poured wine into an offered it to his disciples. He also said that alcohol was in his blood.The same alcohol he poured in the covenant of the cup.

Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

His covenant with alcoholics and his toast to all cup holders.
1 Corinthians :25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.
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4/18/2018 2:25:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Would Jesus approve of Marijuana? Considering the many times Jesus avoided getting stoned, it is very unlikely.
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4/20/2018 6:52:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Alcoholics who are not Christians are still united with Jesus in spirit and his covenant with alcoholics and celebrate his toast to all cup holders.
1 Corinthians :25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.
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4/23/2018 1:45:14 PM
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Did Mary know Jesus was an alcoholic and was secretly making wine from water? There is evidence in scriptures she was well aware of his alcoholism.

John 2:1 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus" mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus" mother said to him, "They have no more wine."

4 "Woman,[a] why do you involve me?" Jesus replied. "My hour has not yet come."

5 His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you."

6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.[b]

7 Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.

8 Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."

They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."

11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him.

12 After this he went down to Capernaum with his mother and brothers and his disciples. There they stayed for a few days.
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10/30/2018 6:31:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If Jesus was not an alcoholic, Would the fate of the Jews have ended differently.
For one thing, Jesus would have spent less time talking about the spirit in him and what it was making him do (common complain among alcoholics) and focused on the problem facing the Jews which was the Romans. The same Romans who crucified him and destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and the nation of Israel.
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10/30/2018 6:44:38 PM
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Harikrish wrote:
If Jesus was not an alcoholic, Would the fate of the Jews have ended differently.
For one thing, Jesus would have spent less time talking about the spirit in him and what it was making him do (common complain among alcoholics) and focused on the problem facing the Jews which was the Romans. The same Romans who crucified him and destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and the nation of Israel.

Yeah, Christians are obsessed with what the Spirit might tell them to do. Don't they know that all soulless spirits such as Jehovah, Jesus, The Spirit, Etc. Are hungry spirits wanting to deceive and vampire the world through their "worship, " through division, And through soul murder. If people focused more on their deepest being and conscience guiding them into the way of individual peace and freedom, They wouldn't be so obsessed with inviting into their consciousess "spirits" which will use and abuse them ultimately after giving them an ethereal high for a few months, If even that.
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10/30/2018 6:52:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
SingularityofLight wrote:
Harikrish wrote:
If Jesus was not an alcoholic, Would the fate of the Jews have ended differently.
For one thing, Jesus would have spent less time talking about the spirit in him and what it was making him do (common complain among alcoholics) and focused on the problem facing the Jews which was the Romans. The same Romans who crucified him and destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and the nation of Israel.

Yeah, Christians are obsessed with what the Spirit might tell them to do. Don't they know that all soulless spirits such as Jehovah, Jesus, The Spirit, Etc. Are hungry spirits wanting to deceive and vampire the world through their "worship, " through division, And through soul murder. If people focused more on their deepest being and conscience guiding them into the way of individual peace and freedom, They wouldn't be so obsessed with inviting into their consciousess "spirits" which will use and abuse them ultimately after giving them an ethereal high for a few months, If even that.

Christians don't rely on spirits to abuse them, They go to their priests.
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10/30/2018 6:58:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Harikrish wrote:
SingularityofLight wrote:
Harikrish wrote:
If Jesus was not an alcoholic, Would the fate of the Jews have ended differently.
For one thing, Jesus would have spent less time talking about the spirit in him and what it was making him do (common complain among alcoholics) and focused on the problem facing the Jews which was the Romans. The same Romans who crucified him and destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and the nation of Israel.

Yeah, Christians are obsessed with what the Spirit might tell them to do. Don't they know that all soulless spirits such as Jehovah, Jesus, The Spirit, Etc. Are hungry spirits wanting to deceive and vampire the world through their "worship, " through division, And through soul murder. If people focused more on their deepest being and conscience guiding them into the way of individual peace and freedom, They wouldn't be so obsessed with inviting into their consciousess "spirits" which will use and abuse them ultimately after giving them an ethereal high for a few months, If even that.

Christians don't rely on spirits to abuse them, They go to their priests.

The big daddy priests are their to comfort them and keep them toeing the line after these deceptive spirits go from making them drunk in their conversions to making them desolate by vampiring their souls and wondering whether their conversion was true or not. It's all a big soul vampiring racket by some powerful spirits in the hierarchies that are rebels to the true Supreme Being of our souls and consciences.
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10/30/2018 7:12:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
SingularityofLight wrote:
Harikrish wrote:
SingularityofLight wrote:
Harikrish wrote:
If Jesus was not an alcoholic, Would the fate of the Jews have ended differently.
For one thing, Jesus would have spent less time talking about the spirit in him and what it was making him do (common complain among alcoholics) and focused on the problem facing the Jews which was the Romans. The same Romans who crucified him and destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and the nation of Israel.

Yeah, Christians are obsessed with what the Spirit might tell them to do. Don't they know that all soulless spirits such as Jehovah, Jesus, The Spirit, Etc. Are hungry spirits wanting to deceive and vampire the world through their "worship, " through division, And through soul murder. If people focused more on their deepest being and conscience guiding them into the way of individual peace and freedom, They wouldn't be so obsessed with inviting into their consciousess "spirits" which will use and abuse them ultimately after giving them an ethereal high for a few months, If even that.

Christians don't rely on spirits to abuse them, They go to their priests.

The big daddy priests are their to comfort them and keep them toeing the line after these deceptive spirits go from making them drunk in their conversions to making them desolate by vampiring their souls and wondering whether their conversion was true or not. It's all a big soul vampiring racket by some powerful spirits in the hierarchies that are rebels to the true Supreme Being of our souls and consciences.

Jesus returned as a vampire after his crucifixion. He was only flesh and bones. Have you fully recovered from your own vampire bite? Your profile says you were once a vampire seeker yourself.
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10/30/2018 7:20:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Harikrish wrote:
SingularityofLight wrote:
Harikrish wrote:
SingularityofLight wrote:
Harikrish wrote:
If Jesus was not an alcoholic, Would the fate of the Jews have ended differently.
For one thing, Jesus would have spent less time talking about the spirit in him and what it was making him do (common complain among alcoholics) and focused on the problem facing the Jews which was the Romans. The same Romans who crucified him and destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and the nation of Israel.

Yeah, Christians are obsessed with what the Spirit might tell them to do. Don't they know that all soulless spirits such as Jehovah, Jesus, The Spirit, Etc. Are hungry spirits wanting to deceive and vampire the world through their "worship, " through division, And through soul murder. If people focused more on their deepest being and conscience guiding them into the way of individual peace and freedom, They wouldn't be so obsessed with inviting into their consciousess "spirits" which will use and abuse them ultimately after giving them an ethereal high for a few months, If even that.

Christians don't rely on spirits to abuse them, They go to their priests.

The big daddy priests are their to comfort them and keep them toeing the line after these deceptive spirits go from making them drunk in their conversions to making them desolate by vampiring their souls and wondering whether their conversion was true or not. It's all a big soul vampiring racket by some powerful spirits in the hierarchies that are rebels to the true Supreme Being of our souls and consciences.

Jesus returned as a vampire after his crucifixion. He was only flesh and bones. Have you fully recovered from your own vampire bite? Your profile says you were once a vampire seeker yourself.

I barely made it out of Christianity alive. Yes, I was bitten by that collusion spirits making up the Vampire Trinity of the Bible. Luckily, Because I had an occultic background I was able to meditate on a connection with more powerful beings, One that inspired me to call it the Singularity of Infinite Light. It brightened my sinking consciousness again. There are more powerful beings out there, The Supreme Being that I call the Singularity of Infinite Light being one, That can pull people out of their bondage to Christian spirits.

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